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Frankly, plants and funguses are much better than humans when it comes to making poisons. Ricin (the most toxic substance known, comes from the castor bean), aflatoxin (from a fungus that grows on peanuts) and oleander toxin (particularly nasty – and this plant grows in freeway medians throughout California) are just a few. Apple seeds contain a small amount of arsenic. Plants can’t run away, so they deter predators with nasty chemicals that are released when the plant parts (especially seeds) are chewed.

And conversely, some of the first antioxidants found to inhibit the growth of cancer cells in culture were the preservatives BHA and BHT.

There is no “four legs, good, two legs, bad” equivalent went it comes to “organic” versus “non-organic.” People are best off getting rid of preconceived notions and applying a little logical reasoning.

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Frankly, plants and funguses are much better than humans when it comes to making poisons. Ricin (the most toxic substance known, comes from the castor bean), aflatoxin (from a fungus that grows on peanuts) and oleander toxin (particularly nasty – and this plant grows in freeway medians throughout California) are just a few. Apple seeds contain a small amount of arsenic. Plants can’t run away, so they deter predators with nasty chemicals that are released when the plant parts (especially seeds) are chewed.

And conversely, some of the first antioxidants found to inhibit the growth of cancer cells in culture were the preservatives BHA and BHT.

There is no “four legs, good, two legs, bad” equivalent went it comes to “organic” versus “non-organic.” People are best off getting rid of preconceived notions and applying a little logical reasoning.

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[quote=flu]I don’t know folks. I hate to bring the bad news. It’s not exactly like “organic” food has been safe lately either….Some of the way “organics” have been handled has been probably worse…A lot of the e.coli and other bacteria outbreaks have occurred due to contaminants…And these weren’t exactly from big bad corps either…

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Couldn’t have said it better. Anyone remember the outbreak of food poisoning (which resulted in the death of one girl and numerous cases of kidney damage) caused by Odwalla juice (promoted as organic, unpasteurized, etc.) about 15 years ago?

It’s just too convenient and really kind of foolish to believe that we can divide the world into the big bad corporations and the virtuous organic manufacturers. There are good and bad actors everywhere.

And finally, as flu pointed out, how can anyone claim to make an educated choice about the biological effect of GMOs if you don’t know the basics of biology? Hybrids, which have been being made for hundreds of years, could also be defined as genetically modified – we just don’t know much about the modifications in those circumstances. Is anyone becoming hysterical about seeds that are the result of old fashioned hybridization? I don’t think so . .

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[quote=flu]I don’t know folks. I hate to bring the bad news. It’s not exactly like “organic” food has been safe lately either….Some of the way “organics” have been handled has been probably worse…A lot of the e.coli and other bacteria outbreaks have occurred due to contaminants…And these weren’t exactly from big bad corps either…

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Couldn’t have said it better. Anyone remember the outbreak of food poisoning (which resulted in the death of one girl and numerous cases of kidney damage) caused by Odwalla juice (promoted as organic, unpasteurized, etc.) about 15 years ago?

It’s just too convenient and really kind of foolish to believe that we can divide the world into the big bad corporations and the virtuous organic manufacturers. There are good and bad actors everywhere.

And finally, as flu pointed out, how can anyone claim to make an educated choice about the biological effect of GMOs if you don’t know the basics of biology? Hybrids, which have been being made for hundreds of years, could also be defined as genetically modified – we just don’t know much about the modifications in those circumstances. Is anyone becoming hysterical about seeds that are the result of old fashioned hybridization? I don’t think so . .

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[quote=flu]I don’t know folks. I hate to bring the bad news. It’s not exactly like “organic” food has been safe lately either….Some of the way “organics” have been handled has been probably worse…A lot of the e.coli and other bacteria outbreaks have occurred due to contaminants…And these weren’t exactly from big bad corps either…

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Couldn’t have said it better. Anyone remember the outbreak of food poisoning (which resulted in the death of one girl and numerous cases of kidney damage) caused by Odwalla juice (promoted as organic, unpasteurized, etc.) about 15 years ago?

It’s just too convenient and really kind of foolish to believe that we can divide the world into the big bad corporations and the virtuous organic manufacturers. There are good and bad actors everywhere.

And finally, as flu pointed out, how can anyone claim to make an educated choice about the biological effect of GMOs if you don’t know the basics of biology? Hybrids, which have been being made for hundreds of years, could also be defined as genetically modified – we just don’t know much about the modifications in those circumstances. Is anyone becoming hysterical about seeds that are the result of old fashioned hybridization? I don’t think so . .

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[quote=flu]I don’t know folks. I hate to bring the bad news. It’s not exactly like “organic” food has been safe lately either….Some of the way “organics” have been handled has been probably worse…A lot of the e.coli and other bacteria outbreaks have occurred due to contaminants…And these weren’t exactly from big bad corps either…

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Couldn’t have said it better. Anyone remember the outbreak of food poisoning (which resulted in the death of one girl and numerous cases of kidney damage) caused by Odwalla juice (promoted as organic, unpasteurized, etc.) about 15 years ago?

It’s just too convenient and really kind of foolish to believe that we can divide the world into the big bad corporations and the virtuous organic manufacturers. There are good and bad actors everywhere.

And finally, as flu pointed out, how can anyone claim to make an educated choice about the biological effect of GMOs if you don’t know the basics of biology? Hybrids, which have been being made for hundreds of years, could also be defined as genetically modified – we just don’t know much about the modifications in those circumstances. Is anyone becoming hysterical about seeds that are the result of old fashioned hybridization? I don’t think so . .

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[quote=flu]I don’t know folks. I hate to bring the bad news. It’s not exactly like “organic” food has been safe lately either….Some of the way “organics” have been handled has been probably worse…A lot of the e.coli and other bacteria outbreaks have occurred due to contaminants…And these weren’t exactly from big bad corps either…

[/quote]

Couldn’t have said it better. Anyone remember the outbreak of food poisoning (which resulted in the death of one girl and numerous cases of kidney damage) caused by Odwalla juice (promoted as organic, unpasteurized, etc.) about 15 years ago?

It’s just too convenient and really kind of foolish to believe that we can divide the world into the big bad corporations and the virtuous organic manufacturers. There are good and bad actors everywhere.

And finally, as flu pointed out, how can anyone claim to make an educated choice about the biological effect of GMOs if you don’t know the basics of biology? Hybrids, which have been being made for hundreds of years, could also be defined as genetically modified – we just don’t know much about the modifications in those circumstances. Is anyone becoming hysterical about seeds that are the result of old fashioned hybridization? I don’t think so . .

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[quote=bearishgurl]
And this is all assuming parents cover cell phone, car insurance and health insurance.

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Last I checked, a cell phone and a car count as “wants” not “needs” for a college student. I graduated undergrad in 1985 and no one I went to school with had a car – and there wasn’t a whole lot of public transportation. You went where you could walk or bike. That takes care of the parking costs as well. I also shared a house and a single phone line with 7 other people. I think I agree with AN on this one.

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[quote=bearishgurl]
And this is all assuming parents cover cell phone, car insurance and health insurance.

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Last I checked, a cell phone and a car count as “wants” not “needs” for a college student. I graduated undergrad in 1985 and no one I went to school with had a car – and there wasn’t a whole lot of public transportation. You went where you could walk or bike. That takes care of the parking costs as well. I also shared a house and a single phone line with 7 other people. I think I agree with AN on this one.

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[quote=bearishgurl]
And this is all assuming parents cover cell phone, car insurance and health insurance.

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Last I checked, a cell phone and a car count as “wants” not “needs” for a college student. I graduated undergrad in 1985 and no one I went to school with had a car – and there wasn’t a whole lot of public transportation. You went where you could walk or bike. That takes care of the parking costs as well. I also shared a house and a single phone line with 7 other people. I think I agree with AN on this one.

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[quote=bearishgurl]
And this is all assuming parents cover cell phone, car insurance and health insurance.

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Last I checked, a cell phone and a car count as “wants” not “needs” for a college student. I graduated undergrad in 1985 and no one I went to school with had a car – and there wasn’t a whole lot of public transportation. You went where you could walk or bike. That takes care of the parking costs as well. I also shared a house and a single phone line with 7 other people. I think I agree with AN on this one.

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[quote=bearishgurl]
And this is all assuming parents cover cell phone, car insurance and health insurance.

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Last I checked, a cell phone and a car count as “wants” not “needs” for a college student. I graduated undergrad in 1985 and no one I went to school with had a car – and there wasn’t a whole lot of public transportation. You went where you could walk or bike. That takes care of the parking costs as well. I also shared a house and a single phone line with 7 other people. I think I agree with AN on this one.

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[quote=kcal09]
How is jail time going to help her if she has a mental disorder? She should be institutionalized in a psychiatric facility where she can get professional help and kept away from the public.[/quote]

As I said in an earlier post – it seems that she knew what she was doing was wrong. If she wasn’t willing to voluntarily get help, how successful do you think a government entity is going to be in forcing help upon her (for example, in a state run mental hospital). She was a well paid agent living in La Jolla. Are you suggesting that she didn’t understand that therapy was available around just about any corner? And I agree that she sounds like a sadist, a condition which almost never responds to therapy.

Like it or not – there are two dual goals to the penal system. The first is retribution or punishment. The second is rehabilitation. If you eliminate the first, the only deterrent you have is threatening people with therapy. Hmm.

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[quote=kcal09]
How is jail time going to help her if she has a mental disorder? She should be institutionalized in a psychiatric facility where she can get professional help and kept away from the public.[/quote]

As I said in an earlier post – it seems that she knew what she was doing was wrong. If she wasn’t willing to voluntarily get help, how successful do you think a government entity is going to be in forcing help upon her (for example, in a state run mental hospital). She was a well paid agent living in La Jolla. Are you suggesting that she didn’t understand that therapy was available around just about any corner? And I agree that she sounds like a sadist, a condition which almost never responds to therapy.

Like it or not – there are two dual goals to the penal system. The first is retribution or punishment. The second is rehabilitation. If you eliminate the first, the only deterrent you have is threatening people with therapy. Hmm.

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[quote=kcal09]
How is jail time going to help her if she has a mental disorder? She should be institutionalized in a psychiatric facility where she can get professional help and kept away from the public.[/quote]

As I said in an earlier post – it seems that she knew what she was doing was wrong. If she wasn’t willing to voluntarily get help, how successful do you think a government entity is going to be in forcing help upon her (for example, in a state run mental hospital). She was a well paid agent living in La Jolla. Are you suggesting that she didn’t understand that therapy was available around just about any corner? And I agree that she sounds like a sadist, a condition which almost never responds to therapy.

Like it or not – there are two dual goals to the penal system. The first is retribution or punishment. The second is rehabilitation. If you eliminate the first, the only deterrent you have is threatening people with therapy. Hmm.

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