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Participant[quote=davelj]Many men (and women – but I’m going to focus on men here) want to have their cake and eat it too. They enter into marriage because they want kids and the stability of a wife-partner. But they have no intention of being faithful. [/quote]
I think the point that you’re making is that people, men and women both, routinely mislead others for their own gain. There really isn’t any surprise there . . . Famous examples are Bernie Madoff, Martha Stewart and Barry Bonds, but it can be seen everywhere. And I wouldn’t take your friends’ experiences as being average. I assume that you are single, and it is pretty well accepted that married guys who want to hang out at the bar with their single friends are more interested in having an affair. In fact – they might be misleading YOU – saying they want to hang out at the bar with you when what they really want is cover for hanging out at the bar to meet women :). Just kidding, but it kind of makes you think . . .
ParticipantWe’ve seen this topic on threads before, but the thing that everyone seems to focus on is mens’ desire to stray. I don’t think anyone would argue that that desire is there. The issue is straying after (a) a guy promises someone that he won’t and (b) that other person has taken significant action based on that promise (i.e. marrying the guying, having kids with him, foregoing work opportunities, etc.).
If you don’t want to be faithful, don’t promise someone that you will be. If you promise someone that you will be faithful and that person relies on the promise, you need to live up to it. Really a pretty simple analysis.
ParticipantWe’ve seen this topic on threads before, but the thing that everyone seems to focus on is mens’ desire to stray. I don’t think anyone would argue that that desire is there. The issue is straying after (a) a guy promises someone that he won’t and (b) that other person has taken significant action based on that promise (i.e. marrying the guying, having kids with him, foregoing work opportunities, etc.).
If you don’t want to be faithful, don’t promise someone that you will be. If you promise someone that you will be faithful and that person relies on the promise, you need to live up to it. Really a pretty simple analysis.
ParticipantWe’ve seen this topic on threads before, but the thing that everyone seems to focus on is mens’ desire to stray. I don’t think anyone would argue that that desire is there. The issue is straying after (a) a guy promises someone that he won’t and (b) that other person has taken significant action based on that promise (i.e. marrying the guying, having kids with him, foregoing work opportunities, etc.).
If you don’t want to be faithful, don’t promise someone that you will be. If you promise someone that you will be faithful and that person relies on the promise, you need to live up to it. Really a pretty simple analysis.
ParticipantWe’ve seen this topic on threads before, but the thing that everyone seems to focus on is mens’ desire to stray. I don’t think anyone would argue that that desire is there. The issue is straying after (a) a guy promises someone that he won’t and (b) that other person has taken significant action based on that promise (i.e. marrying the guying, having kids with him, foregoing work opportunities, etc.).
If you don’t want to be faithful, don’t promise someone that you will be. If you promise someone that you will be faithful and that person relies on the promise, you need to live up to it. Really a pretty simple analysis.
ParticipantWe’ve seen this topic on threads before, but the thing that everyone seems to focus on is mens’ desire to stray. I don’t think anyone would argue that that desire is there. The issue is straying after (a) a guy promises someone that he won’t and (b) that other person has taken significant action based on that promise (i.e. marrying the guying, having kids with him, foregoing work opportunities, etc.).
If you don’t want to be faithful, don’t promise someone that you will be. If you promise someone that you will be faithful and that person relies on the promise, you need to live up to it. Really a pretty simple analysis.
Participant[quote=briansd1]So it turns turns out that DSK’s lawyers are arguing that the alleged rape victim is “unattractive” (maybe a defense).
[/quote]Anyone recall Hugh Grant’s indiscretion – which was admittedly consensual? He appears to have been “attracted” to someone who didn’t hold a candle to his then-girlfriend. (And I’m not suggesting that DSK’s wife looks anything like Elizabeth Hurley did at the time . . . .)
Participant[quote=briansd1]So it turns turns out that DSK’s lawyers are arguing that the alleged rape victim is “unattractive” (maybe a defense).
[/quote]Anyone recall Hugh Grant’s indiscretion – which was admittedly consensual? He appears to have been “attracted” to someone who didn’t hold a candle to his then-girlfriend. (And I’m not suggesting that DSK’s wife looks anything like Elizabeth Hurley did at the time . . . .)
Participant[quote=briansd1]So it turns turns out that DSK’s lawyers are arguing that the alleged rape victim is “unattractive” (maybe a defense).
[/quote]Anyone recall Hugh Grant’s indiscretion – which was admittedly consensual? He appears to have been “attracted” to someone who didn’t hold a candle to his then-girlfriend. (And I’m not suggesting that DSK’s wife looks anything like Elizabeth Hurley did at the time . . . .)
Participant[quote=briansd1]So it turns turns out that DSK’s lawyers are arguing that the alleged rape victim is “unattractive” (maybe a defense).
[/quote]Anyone recall Hugh Grant’s indiscretion – which was admittedly consensual? He appears to have been “attracted” to someone who didn’t hold a candle to his then-girlfriend. (And I’m not suggesting that DSK’s wife looks anything like Elizabeth Hurley did at the time . . . .)
Participant[quote=briansd1]So it turns turns out that DSK’s lawyers are arguing that the alleged rape victim is “unattractive” (maybe a defense).
[/quote]Anyone recall Hugh Grant’s indiscretion – which was admittedly consensual? He appears to have been “attracted” to someone who didn’t hold a candle to his then-girlfriend. (And I’m not suggesting that DSK’s wife looks anything like Elizabeth Hurley did at the time . . . .)
Participant[quote=Rustico] Does any other animal waste its time thinking about God?[/quote]
No, they are usually too busy wallowing in their own waste, trying to rid themselves of vermin and/or eating their young when environmental conditions change.
Participant[quote=Rustico] Does any other animal waste its time thinking about God?[/quote]
No, they are usually too busy wallowing in their own waste, trying to rid themselves of vermin and/or eating their young when environmental conditions change.
Participant[quote=Rustico] Does any other animal waste its time thinking about God?[/quote]
No, they are usually too busy wallowing in their own waste, trying to rid themselves of vermin and/or eating their young when environmental conditions change.
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