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ParticipantI’ll bet people thought we were down for good during the depression, and the dust bowl, and during the early 80’s what with the Japanese were going to kick our ass, etc, etc, etc.
It was never permanent.
Economics is *cyclical* people. California had a budget surplus in the many billions as recently as 1999, do we really think that will *never* happen again?
Why is it “different this time”? Anytime I hear that implication, either on the way up or the way down, I immediately get *very* skeptical.
Even the soviet union, yes they had a multigenerational event, but it’s not like society there collapsed and they’re all cannibalizing each other. The average citizen has not had to stock up on gold and ammo there to get through their day as far as I can tell.
Now one thing I will say: I believe demographics is destiny. So countries like Japan, Russia, lots of W. European countries – they got major troubles coming their way.
India and China look very strong demographically, but actually, due to immigration (legal/illegal, a whole other topic) guess who else has a relatively large worker pool coming on line in the decades to come?: the U.S.
Think I’ll pour a glass of Cab and sleep soundly tonight.
ParticipantI read the Ehrenreich link – I actually don’t agree and further don’t think it’s useful for predicting the future of the U.S.
Merely thinking positive thoughts may not be sufficient, but it is more likely to lead to good results than rampant negativity.
Think about when the U.S. went down to build the Panama Canal after the French gave up. Someone with the attitude “this obviously can’t be done, it’s too hard, and ‘bad things could happen'” isn’t going to get the job done. They’ve failed before they even started.
Certainly it was a very daunting task, and yet once we set our mind to it, applied technology (and competition), things started proceeding very rapidly.
During WWII, Eisenhower said (paraphrasing) “I do more for the war effort by just walking around with a smile and saying things are going well than almost anything else I could do”. Seems to have worked out pretty well for him.
Think about CEO’s of companies. The good ones are relentlessly optimistic, even when it is patently obvious things are bad. It can actually be annoying. But they have to do that. Think of the impact on the morale of their company (and the then resultant outcome) if they acted the other way.
There’s an old saying that if you bet against America you will lose. Now perhaps the doom and gloomers are right and the “proverb”, while correct so many times in the past, no longer applies (and never will again). For some reason “it’s different this time”. Yeah. Good luck with that bet.
ParticipantI read the Ehrenreich link – I actually don’t agree and further don’t think it’s useful for predicting the future of the U.S.
Merely thinking positive thoughts may not be sufficient, but it is more likely to lead to good results than rampant negativity.
Think about when the U.S. went down to build the Panama Canal after the French gave up. Someone with the attitude “this obviously can’t be done, it’s too hard, and ‘bad things could happen'” isn’t going to get the job done. They’ve failed before they even started.
Certainly it was a very daunting task, and yet once we set our mind to it, applied technology (and competition), things started proceeding very rapidly.
During WWII, Eisenhower said (paraphrasing) “I do more for the war effort by just walking around with a smile and saying things are going well than almost anything else I could do”. Seems to have worked out pretty well for him.
Think about CEO’s of companies. The good ones are relentlessly optimistic, even when it is patently obvious things are bad. It can actually be annoying. But they have to do that. Think of the impact on the morale of their company (and the then resultant outcome) if they acted the other way.
There’s an old saying that if you bet against America you will lose. Now perhaps the doom and gloomers are right and the “proverb”, while correct so many times in the past, no longer applies (and never will again). For some reason “it’s different this time”. Yeah. Good luck with that bet.
ParticipantI read the Ehrenreich link – I actually don’t agree and further don’t think it’s useful for predicting the future of the U.S.
Merely thinking positive thoughts may not be sufficient, but it is more likely to lead to good results than rampant negativity.
Think about when the U.S. went down to build the Panama Canal after the French gave up. Someone with the attitude “this obviously can’t be done, it’s too hard, and ‘bad things could happen'” isn’t going to get the job done. They’ve failed before they even started.
Certainly it was a very daunting task, and yet once we set our mind to it, applied technology (and competition), things started proceeding very rapidly.
During WWII, Eisenhower said (paraphrasing) “I do more for the war effort by just walking around with a smile and saying things are going well than almost anything else I could do”. Seems to have worked out pretty well for him.
Think about CEO’s of companies. The good ones are relentlessly optimistic, even when it is patently obvious things are bad. It can actually be annoying. But they have to do that. Think of the impact on the morale of their company (and the then resultant outcome) if they acted the other way.
There’s an old saying that if you bet against America you will lose. Now perhaps the doom and gloomers are right and the “proverb”, while correct so many times in the past, no longer applies (and never will again). For some reason “it’s different this time”. Yeah. Good luck with that bet.
ParticipantI read the Ehrenreich link – I actually don’t agree and further don’t think it’s useful for predicting the future of the U.S.
Merely thinking positive thoughts may not be sufficient, but it is more likely to lead to good results than rampant negativity.
Think about when the U.S. went down to build the Panama Canal after the French gave up. Someone with the attitude “this obviously can’t be done, it’s too hard, and ‘bad things could happen'” isn’t going to get the job done. They’ve failed before they even started.
Certainly it was a very daunting task, and yet once we set our mind to it, applied technology (and competition), things started proceeding very rapidly.
During WWII, Eisenhower said (paraphrasing) “I do more for the war effort by just walking around with a smile and saying things are going well than almost anything else I could do”. Seems to have worked out pretty well for him.
Think about CEO’s of companies. The good ones are relentlessly optimistic, even when it is patently obvious things are bad. It can actually be annoying. But they have to do that. Think of the impact on the morale of their company (and the then resultant outcome) if they acted the other way.
There’s an old saying that if you bet against America you will lose. Now perhaps the doom and gloomers are right and the “proverb”, while correct so many times in the past, no longer applies (and never will again). For some reason “it’s different this time”. Yeah. Good luck with that bet.
ParticipantI read the Ehrenreich link – I actually don’t agree and further don’t think it’s useful for predicting the future of the U.S.
Merely thinking positive thoughts may not be sufficient, but it is more likely to lead to good results than rampant negativity.
Think about when the U.S. went down to build the Panama Canal after the French gave up. Someone with the attitude “this obviously can’t be done, it’s too hard, and ‘bad things could happen'” isn’t going to get the job done. They’ve failed before they even started.
Certainly it was a very daunting task, and yet once we set our mind to it, applied technology (and competition), things started proceeding very rapidly.
During WWII, Eisenhower said (paraphrasing) “I do more for the war effort by just walking around with a smile and saying things are going well than almost anything else I could do”. Seems to have worked out pretty well for him.
Think about CEO’s of companies. The good ones are relentlessly optimistic, even when it is patently obvious things are bad. It can actually be annoying. But they have to do that. Think of the impact on the morale of their company (and the then resultant outcome) if they acted the other way.
There’s an old saying that if you bet against America you will lose. Now perhaps the doom and gloomers are right and the “proverb”, while correct so many times in the past, no longer applies (and never will again). For some reason “it’s different this time”. Yeah. Good luck with that bet.
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ParticipantHere’s an interesting opinion piece that discusses European “decay”:
Perhaps we’re headed in the same direction, I agree that may be possible.
But I do not think it is by any means inevitable.
If we keep up with the negative posts, pretty soon Jimmy Carter is gonna hear about it, he’s gonna break out the cardigan, and he’s gonna start talking about “national malaise”.
Please – don’t let it get that far.
ParticipantHere’s an interesting opinion piece that discusses European “decay”:
Perhaps we’re headed in the same direction, I agree that may be possible.
But I do not think it is by any means inevitable.
If we keep up with the negative posts, pretty soon Jimmy Carter is gonna hear about it, he’s gonna break out the cardigan, and he’s gonna start talking about “national malaise”.
Please – don’t let it get that far.
ParticipantHere’s an interesting opinion piece that discusses European “decay”:
Perhaps we’re headed in the same direction, I agree that may be possible.
But I do not think it is by any means inevitable.
If we keep up with the negative posts, pretty soon Jimmy Carter is gonna hear about it, he’s gonna break out the cardigan, and he’s gonna start talking about “national malaise”.
Please – don’t let it get that far.
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