[KSMountain]

[quote=SK in CV]Do you really think that Jose’s 8 year old son really deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where his parents were born?[/quote]

SK in CV: Meet 8 year old Juanita from Paraguay. She is very cute and bright and innocent. She smiles a lot and is very likable.

Do you really think she deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where SHE was born? How arrogant!

Why should we discriminate based on a criteria as passe as physical location? Why not educate everyone in the whole world?

We can either fly everybody here for 18 or so years or we can just send out say 200 million teachers to do it on location. That’ll give class sizes of about 30 students per teacher. Hope that’s ok with you.

[KSMountain]

[quote=SK in CV]Do you really think that Jose’s 8 year old son really deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where his parents were born?[/quote]

SK in CV: Meet 8 year old Juanita from Paraguay. She is very cute and bright and innocent. She smiles a lot and is very likable.

Do you really think she deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where SHE was born? How arrogant!

Why should we discriminate based on a criteria as passe as physical location? Why not educate everyone in the whole world?

We can either fly everybody here for 18 or so years or we can just send out say 200 million teachers to do it on location. That’ll give class sizes of about 30 students per teacher. Hope that’s ok with you.

[KSMountain]

Agreed. Slippery slope (and really difficult) though, to start having the government mandate personal behavior.

That’s why a tax seems attractive – at least you can *encourage* a behavior.

Folks would rightly complain that a junk food tax would be extremely regressive. True, but we do something similar for cigarettes, for similar reasons.

[KSMountain]

Agreed. Slippery slope (and really difficult) though, to start having the government mandate personal behavior.

That’s why a tax seems attractive – at least you can *encourage* a behavior.

Folks would rightly complain that a junk food tax would be extremely regressive. True, but we do something similar for cigarettes, for similar reasons.

[KSMountain]

Agreed. Slippery slope (and really difficult) though, to start having the government mandate personal behavior.

That’s why a tax seems attractive – at least you can *encourage* a behavior.

Folks would rightly complain that a junk food tax would be extremely regressive. True, but we do something similar for cigarettes, for similar reasons.

[KSMountain]

Agreed. Slippery slope (and really difficult) though, to start having the government mandate personal behavior.

That’s why a tax seems attractive – at least you can *encourage* a behavior.

Folks would rightly complain that a junk food tax would be extremely regressive. True, but we do something similar for cigarettes, for similar reasons.

[KSMountain]

Agreed. Slippery slope (and really difficult) though, to start having the government mandate personal behavior.

That’s why a tax seems attractive – at least you can *encourage* a behavior.

Folks would rightly complain that a junk food tax would be extremely regressive. True, but we do something similar for cigarettes, for similar reasons.

[KSMountain]

[quote=greekfire]I do not intend to discount the many fine arguments that have been made up to this point. Caloric intake of different individuals from differing ethnic backgrounds is well and fine and something to take into consideration, but it misses the main thrust of this thread’s over-arching question: Is healthcare a right or a good?[/quote]
What, you don’t enjoy discussing the fine points of polynesian diet? Where ELSE are you going to get THAT kind of analysis?

As has been raised before: it might depend on what you mean by “healthcare”.
Do you mean emergency care or do you mean *everyone* in the country has a *right* to lifetime free consumption of *every* treatment that our technologists have been able to devise – regardless of cost?

My personal answer would be: no.

If you’re gonna have 6 kids, I hope you have a plan for how to pay for them.
You might have the right to *pursue* happiness, unfetterred, but that doesn’t mean that you have the right to take your neighbor’s money to pay for your health issues, that might be random, or might be self-inflicted.

If you think about Jefferson, the Federalist papers, etc., was there really an anticipation of handouts of this magnitude? I don’t think so (especially given that Jefferson was a self-reliant farmer) but I’m willing to be proved wrong.

Just, if you’re going to assert a “right”, admit that you’re asserting a new obligation for a country that is not in such good shape with its current entitlements…

Further acknowledge that it is the nature of beauracracies to grow, therefore it is likely that the obligations due to this will grow over time.

[KSMountain]

[quote=greekfire]I do not intend to discount the many fine arguments that have been made up to this point. Caloric intake of different individuals from differing ethnic backgrounds is well and fine and something to take into consideration, but it misses the main thrust of this thread’s over-arching question: Is healthcare a right or a good?[/quote]
What, you don’t enjoy discussing the fine points of polynesian diet? Where ELSE are you going to get THAT kind of analysis?

As has been raised before: it might depend on what you mean by “healthcare”.
Do you mean emergency care or do you mean *everyone* in the country has a *right* to lifetime free consumption of *every* treatment that our technologists have been able to devise – regardless of cost?

My personal answer would be: no.

If you’re gonna have 6 kids, I hope you have a plan for how to pay for them.
You might have the right to *pursue* happiness, unfetterred, but that doesn’t mean that you have the right to take your neighbor’s money to pay for your health issues, that might be random, or might be self-inflicted.

If you think about Jefferson, the Federalist papers, etc., was there really an anticipation of handouts of this magnitude? I don’t think so (especially given that Jefferson was a self-reliant farmer) but I’m willing to be proved wrong.

Just, if you’re going to assert a “right”, admit that you’re asserting a new obligation for a country that is not in such good shape with its current entitlements…

Further acknowledge that it is the nature of beauracracies to grow, therefore it is likely that the obligations due to this will grow over time.

[KSMountain]

[quote=greekfire]I do not intend to discount the many fine arguments that have been made up to this point. Caloric intake of different individuals from differing ethnic backgrounds is well and fine and something to take into consideration, but it misses the main thrust of this thread’s over-arching question: Is healthcare a right or a good?[/quote]
What, you don’t enjoy discussing the fine points of polynesian diet? Where ELSE are you going to get THAT kind of analysis?

As has been raised before: it might depend on what you mean by “healthcare”.
Do you mean emergency care or do you mean *everyone* in the country has a *right* to lifetime free consumption of *every* treatment that our technologists have been able to devise – regardless of cost?

My personal answer would be: no.

If you’re gonna have 6 kids, I hope you have a plan for how to pay for them.
You might have the right to *pursue* happiness, unfetterred, but that doesn’t mean that you have the right to take your neighbor’s money to pay for your health issues, that might be random, or might be self-inflicted.

If you think about Jefferson, the Federalist papers, etc., was there really an anticipation of handouts of this magnitude? I don’t think so (especially given that Jefferson was a self-reliant farmer) but I’m willing to be proved wrong.

Just, if you’re going to assert a “right”, admit that you’re asserting a new obligation for a country that is not in such good shape with its current entitlements…

Further acknowledge that it is the nature of beauracracies to grow, therefore it is likely that the obligations due to this will grow over time.

[KSMountain]

[quote=greekfire]I do not intend to discount the many fine arguments that have been made up to this point. Caloric intake of different individuals from differing ethnic backgrounds is well and fine and something to take into consideration, but it misses the main thrust of this thread’s over-arching question: Is healthcare a right or a good?[/quote]
What, you don’t enjoy discussing the fine points of polynesian diet? Where ELSE are you going to get THAT kind of analysis?

As has been raised before: it might depend on what you mean by “healthcare”.
Do you mean emergency care or do you mean *everyone* in the country has a *right* to lifetime free consumption of *every* treatment that our technologists have been able to devise – regardless of cost?

My personal answer would be: no.

If you’re gonna have 6 kids, I hope you have a plan for how to pay for them.
You might have the right to *pursue* happiness, unfetterred, but that doesn’t mean that you have the right to take your neighbor’s money to pay for your health issues, that might be random, or might be self-inflicted.

If you think about Jefferson, the Federalist papers, etc., was there really an anticipation of handouts of this magnitude? I don’t think so (especially given that Jefferson was a self-reliant farmer) but I’m willing to be proved wrong.

Just, if you’re going to assert a “right”, admit that you’re asserting a new obligation for a country that is not in such good shape with its current entitlements…

Further acknowledge that it is the nature of beauracracies to grow, therefore it is likely that the obligations due to this will grow over time.

[KSMountain]

[quote=greekfire]I do not intend to discount the many fine arguments that have been made up to this point. Caloric intake of different individuals from differing ethnic backgrounds is well and fine and something to take into consideration, but it misses the main thrust of this thread’s over-arching question: Is healthcare a right or a good?[/quote]
What, you don’t enjoy discussing the fine points of polynesian diet? Where ELSE are you going to get THAT kind of analysis?

As has been raised before: it might depend on what you mean by “healthcare”.
Do you mean emergency care or do you mean *everyone* in the country has a *right* to lifetime free consumption of *every* treatment that our technologists have been able to devise – regardless of cost?

My personal answer would be: no.

If you’re gonna have 6 kids, I hope you have a plan for how to pay for them.
You might have the right to *pursue* happiness, unfetterred, but that doesn’t mean that you have the right to take your neighbor’s money to pay for your health issues, that might be random, or might be self-inflicted.

If you think about Jefferson, the Federalist papers, etc., was there really an anticipation of handouts of this magnitude? I don’t think so (especially given that Jefferson was a self-reliant farmer) but I’m willing to be proved wrong.

Just, if you’re going to assert a “right”, admit that you’re asserting a new obligation for a country that is not in such good shape with its current entitlements…

Further acknowledge that it is the nature of beauracracies to grow, therefore it is likely that the obligations due to this will grow over time.

[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1][quote=scaredycat]in a sense, it becomes less of a choice when we are bombarded with advertising, when obesitybecomes a normal state, where clothing is cheap and bigger sizes can be purchased, where society is set up for driving not walking and so forth. it’s individually a choice, but societally, we shold know that from devising thiskind of lifestye, a predictable number of people are going to fall into obesity.[/quote]

That is a failure of leadership. Our leaders failed in setting the example and protecting us from all the junk.

I would support a fat tax on most packaged products to pay for health care. If people want to avoid the tax, they could prepare meals from scratch.[/quote]
Probably agree with the tax part.
But let’s face it, what you put in your piehole is YOUR choice – and blaming that on ANY one else is l-a-m-e.

[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1][quote=scaredycat]in a sense, it becomes less of a choice when we are bombarded with advertising, when obesitybecomes a normal state, where clothing is cheap and bigger sizes can be purchased, where society is set up for driving not walking and so forth. it’s individually a choice, but societally, we shold know that from devising thiskind of lifestye, a predictable number of people are going to fall into obesity.[/quote]

That is a failure of leadership. Our leaders failed in setting the example and protecting us from all the junk.

I would support a fat tax on most packaged products to pay for health care. If people want to avoid the tax, they could prepare meals from scratch.[/quote]
Probably agree with the tax part.
But let’s face it, what you put in your piehole is YOUR choice – and blaming that on ANY one else is l-a-m-e.

[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1][quote=scaredycat]in a sense, it becomes less of a choice when we are bombarded with advertising, when obesitybecomes a normal state, where clothing is cheap and bigger sizes can be purchased, where society is set up for driving not walking and so forth. it’s individually a choice, but societally, we shold know that from devising thiskind of lifestye, a predictable number of people are going to fall into obesity.[/quote]

That is a failure of leadership. Our leaders failed in setting the example and protecting us from all the junk.

I would support a fat tax on most packaged products to pay for health care. If people want to avoid the tax, they could prepare meals from scratch.[/quote]
Probably agree with the tax part.
But let’s face it, what you put in your piehole is YOUR choice – and blaming that on ANY one else is l-a-m-e.

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