[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1][quote=KSMountain] When was the last time we payed the bloody thing off?[/quote]

Think about it KSMountain, if you owed a whole year’s worth of income on your credit cards, and and wanted to pay them off quickly, you’d have to tighten the belt for a while.

You might be able to do so by yourself, but if you have wife and kids, they will not enjoy the lower standard of living.

Also remember, that the government needs to take on debt to build roads, schools, etc.. just like most Americans need debts to buy houses and cars, and send their kids to college.[/quote]
You’re going to have to tell the family that daddy is going to need another job, or mommy needs to cut back on the Ferragamo’s, or maybe we just won’t be able to do private school this year, pumpkin. Sorry. Because at this point we’re spending $1500/mo just in interest and the situation is only getting worse. As the parents, we’re going to have to make the choices to get things back to a sustainable trajectory.

Or I guess we could just declare bankruptcy.

[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1][quote=KSMountain] When was the last time we payed the bloody thing off?[/quote]

Think about it KSMountain, if you owed a whole year’s worth of income on your credit cards, and and wanted to pay them off quickly, you’d have to tighten the belt for a while.

You might be able to do so by yourself, but if you have wife and kids, they will not enjoy the lower standard of living.

Also remember, that the government needs to take on debt to build roads, schools, etc.. just like most Americans need debts to buy houses and cars, and send their kids to college.[/quote]
You’re going to have to tell the family that daddy is going to need another job, or mommy needs to cut back on the Ferragamo’s, or maybe we just won’t be able to do private school this year, pumpkin. Sorry. Because at this point we’re spending $1500/mo just in interest and the situation is only getting worse. As the parents, we’re going to have to make the choices to get things back to a sustainable trajectory.

Or I guess we could just declare bankruptcy.

[KSMountain]

I have read that the limit has been raised 75 times since 1962. Do I have that right?

Think about the analogy to an individual or a family:

Credit card limit gradually going up over the course of 48 years? No problem. Understandable, even. A sign of increasing affluence and need for liquidity.

But being maxed out after all that time and needing a boost in limit just to keep afloat?
As an adult? Not impressive. When was the last time we payed the bloody thing off?

[KSMountain]

I have read that the limit has been raised 75 times since 1962. Do I have that right?

Think about the analogy to an individual or a family:

Credit card limit gradually going up over the course of 48 years? No problem. Understandable, even. A sign of increasing affluence and need for liquidity.

But being maxed out after all that time and needing a boost in limit just to keep afloat?
As an adult? Not impressive. When was the last time we payed the bloody thing off?

[KSMountain]

I have read that the limit has been raised 75 times since 1962. Do I have that right?

Think about the analogy to an individual or a family:

Credit card limit gradually going up over the course of 48 years? No problem. Understandable, even. A sign of increasing affluence and need for liquidity.

But being maxed out after all that time and needing a boost in limit just to keep afloat?
As an adult? Not impressive. When was the last time we payed the bloody thing off?

[KSMountain]

I have read that the limit has been raised 75 times since 1962. Do I have that right?

Think about the analogy to an individual or a family:

Credit card limit gradually going up over the course of 48 years? No problem. Understandable, even. A sign of increasing affluence and need for liquidity.

But being maxed out after all that time and needing a boost in limit just to keep afloat?
As an adult? Not impressive. When was the last time we payed the bloody thing off?

[KSMountain]

I have read that the limit has been raised 75 times since 1962. Do I have that right?

Think about the analogy to an individual or a family:

Credit card limit gradually going up over the course of 48 years? No problem. Understandable, even. A sign of increasing affluence and need for liquidity.

But being maxed out after all that time and needing a boost in limit just to keep afloat?
As an adult? Not impressive. When was the last time we payed the bloody thing off?

[KSMountain]

Note the dose rate just above the water surface in one of the “troughs” at one of the plants is evidently over 1000 *milli* Sieverts/hour.

So that’s pretty damn high. And I believe that is outside the containment. The accepted total dose (I don’t know if this is per year, or per incident or whatever) is 100 mSv (Japan’s old limit), 250 mSv (Japan’s new limit for this emergency), or 500 mSv (World Health Org).

Even using the highest number, 500 mSv, you’d get that in half an hour hanging out near that trough.

But at other places in the plant the dose rate is in the microsieverts per hour.

Unfortunately you start talking “milli” and “micro” and some folks eyes will start to glaze over. They both start with an “m” but it’s important to try to keep them straight as a milli is a thousand times bigger than a micro.

[KSMountain]

Note the dose rate just above the water surface in one of the “troughs” at one of the plants is evidently over 1000 *milli* Sieverts/hour.

So that’s pretty damn high. And I believe that is outside the containment. The accepted total dose (I don’t know if this is per year, or per incident or whatever) is 100 mSv (Japan’s old limit), 250 mSv (Japan’s new limit for this emergency), or 500 mSv (World Health Org).

Even using the highest number, 500 mSv, you’d get that in half an hour hanging out near that trough.

But at other places in the plant the dose rate is in the microsieverts per hour.

Unfortunately you start talking “milli” and “micro” and some folks eyes will start to glaze over. They both start with an “m” but it’s important to try to keep them straight as a milli is a thousand times bigger than a micro.

[KSMountain]

Note the dose rate just above the water surface in one of the “troughs” at one of the plants is evidently over 1000 *milli* Sieverts/hour.

So that’s pretty damn high. And I believe that is outside the containment. The accepted total dose (I don’t know if this is per year, or per incident or whatever) is 100 mSv (Japan’s old limit), 250 mSv (Japan’s new limit for this emergency), or 500 mSv (World Health Org).

Even using the highest number, 500 mSv, you’d get that in half an hour hanging out near that trough.

But at other places in the plant the dose rate is in the microsieverts per hour.

Unfortunately you start talking “milli” and “micro” and some folks eyes will start to glaze over. They both start with an “m” but it’s important to try to keep them straight as a milli is a thousand times bigger than a micro.

[KSMountain]

Note the dose rate just above the water surface in one of the “troughs” at one of the plants is evidently over 1000 *milli* Sieverts/hour.

So that’s pretty damn high. And I believe that is outside the containment. The accepted total dose (I don’t know if this is per year, or per incident or whatever) is 100 mSv (Japan’s old limit), 250 mSv (Japan’s new limit for this emergency), or 500 mSv (World Health Org).

Even using the highest number, 500 mSv, you’d get that in half an hour hanging out near that trough.

But at other places in the plant the dose rate is in the microsieverts per hour.

Unfortunately you start talking “milli” and “micro” and some folks eyes will start to glaze over. They both start with an “m” but it’s important to try to keep them straight as a milli is a thousand times bigger than a micro.

[KSMountain]

Note the dose rate just above the water surface in one of the “troughs” at one of the plants is evidently over 1000 *milli* Sieverts/hour.

So that’s pretty damn high. And I believe that is outside the containment. The accepted total dose (I don’t know if this is per year, or per incident or whatever) is 100 mSv (Japan’s old limit), 250 mSv (Japan’s new limit for this emergency), or 500 mSv (World Health Org).

Even using the highest number, 500 mSv, you’d get that in half an hour hanging out near that trough.

But at other places in the plant the dose rate is in the microsieverts per hour.

Unfortunately you start talking “milli” and “micro” and some folks eyes will start to glaze over. They both start with an “m” but it’s important to try to keep them straight as a milli is a thousand times bigger than a micro.

[KSMountain]

[quote=afx114]Another great visualization: http://microsievert.net/[/quote]
That 1000 uSv/hr doesn’t look very appealing…

I admit this whole thing is flip flopping back and forth like some kind of WWF match.

I have seen headlines that are really misleading. For example, I saw one today “Plutonium found outside plant”. But then you read the article and you see that in 3 of 5 testing areas, the plutonium was evidently only typical background Pu which is observable anywhere in the world. The other two places did appear to be Pu from the plant (which is scary) but as of yet the amounts were not reported as dangerous.

The 1000 uSv/hr is apparently a level that will really make it hard to get humans in there to fix things. Sounds like they’ll need robots to me, which will make everything take longer.

I definitely am still following this thing everyday. I’d say (like the Japanese government and TEPCO say) that the situation is very serious.

I would also say though that I continue to see misleading or erroneous reporting. I think it is just too tempting for many reporters because they can exploit others fear of the unknown and feel they can get away with it…

[KSMountain]

[quote=afx114]Another great visualization: http://microsievert.net/[/quote]
That 1000 uSv/hr doesn’t look very appealing…

I admit this whole thing is flip flopping back and forth like some kind of WWF match.

I have seen headlines that are really misleading. For example, I saw one today “Plutonium found outside plant”. But then you read the article and you see that in 3 of 5 testing areas, the plutonium was evidently only typical background Pu which is observable anywhere in the world. The other two places did appear to be Pu from the plant (which is scary) but as of yet the amounts were not reported as dangerous.

The 1000 uSv/hr is apparently a level that will really make it hard to get humans in there to fix things. Sounds like they’ll need robots to me, which will make everything take longer.

I definitely am still following this thing everyday. I’d say (like the Japanese government and TEPCO say) that the situation is very serious.

I would also say though that I continue to see misleading or erroneous reporting. I think it is just too tempting for many reporters because they can exploit others fear of the unknown and feel they can get away with it…

[KSMountain]

[quote=afx114]Another great visualization: http://microsievert.net/[/quote]
That 1000 uSv/hr doesn’t look very appealing…

I admit this whole thing is flip flopping back and forth like some kind of WWF match.

I have seen headlines that are really misleading. For example, I saw one today “Plutonium found outside plant”. But then you read the article and you see that in 3 of 5 testing areas, the plutonium was evidently only typical background Pu which is observable anywhere in the world. The other two places did appear to be Pu from the plant (which is scary) but as of yet the amounts were not reported as dangerous.

The 1000 uSv/hr is apparently a level that will really make it hard to get humans in there to fix things. Sounds like they’ll need robots to me, which will make everything take longer.

I definitely am still following this thing everyday. I’d say (like the Japanese government and TEPCO say) that the situation is very serious.

I would also say though that I continue to see misleading or erroneous reporting. I think it is just too tempting for many reporters because they can exploit others fear of the unknown and feel they can get away with it…

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