[KSMountain]

[quote=deadzone]I’m not too impressed with our intelligence services if it took them 10 years to find this guy.[/quote]
You could do better? If I told you with certainty Ayman Al Zawahiri was currently hiding somewhere in PB or MB (thereby narrowing things down for you *quite* a bit and allowing you to conduct your search in your own country) how long do you think it would take you to find him?

[KSMountain]

[quote=deadzone]I’m not too impressed with our intelligence services if it took them 10 years to find this guy.[/quote]
You could do better? If I told you with certainty Ayman Al Zawahiri was currently hiding somewhere in PB or MB (thereby narrowing things down for you *quite* a bit and allowing you to conduct your search in your own country) how long do you think it would take you to find him?

[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1]
The intelligence services knew there were no WMDs in Iraq. Bush, Cheney & Co. twisted the data to argue that there were WMDs.[/quote]
I disagree with this allegation. Many, many, people, organizations, and countries believed Saddam had chemical weapons and might use them.

For example, other middle east leaders, other officials within Iraq, our allies, and our military. It’s really simplistic to attribute that much power and guile to Bush, Cheney & Co.

Didn’t Hillary speak of her concern of this during the authorization for use of force? Are you saying she was “in on it”?

Our troops were wearing MOPP protective suits in 130 degree weather there for awhile. It was not fun. I’m not buying that generals at the top issued those orders with a wink just for appearances to cover some spook or president’s behind. I don’t think they’d do it. Those guys are pretty serious about mission execution. If they issued those orders, imo, they themselves thought that the precautions were necessary.

Do we have any military type folks on this board that could comment?

[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1]
The intelligence services knew there were no WMDs in Iraq. Bush, Cheney & Co. twisted the data to argue that there were WMDs.[/quote]
I disagree with this allegation. Many, many, people, organizations, and countries believed Saddam had chemical weapons and might use them.

For example, other middle east leaders, other officials within Iraq, our allies, and our military. It’s really simplistic to attribute that much power and guile to Bush, Cheney & Co.

Didn’t Hillary speak of her concern of this during the authorization for use of force? Are you saying she was “in on it”?

Our troops were wearing MOPP protective suits in 130 degree weather there for awhile. It was not fun. I’m not buying that generals at the top issued those orders with a wink just for appearances to cover some spook or president’s behind. I don’t think they’d do it. Those guys are pretty serious about mission execution. If they issued those orders, imo, they themselves thought that the precautions were necessary.

Do we have any military type folks on this board that could comment?

[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1]
The intelligence services knew there were no WMDs in Iraq. Bush, Cheney & Co. twisted the data to argue that there were WMDs.[/quote]
I disagree with this allegation. Many, many, people, organizations, and countries believed Saddam had chemical weapons and might use them.

For example, other middle east leaders, other officials within Iraq, our allies, and our military. It’s really simplistic to attribute that much power and guile to Bush, Cheney & Co.

Didn’t Hillary speak of her concern of this during the authorization for use of force? Are you saying she was “in on it”?

Our troops were wearing MOPP protective suits in 130 degree weather there for awhile. It was not fun. I’m not buying that generals at the top issued those orders with a wink just for appearances to cover some spook or president’s behind. I don’t think they’d do it. Those guys are pretty serious about mission execution. If they issued those orders, imo, they themselves thought that the precautions were necessary.

Do we have any military type folks on this board that could comment?

[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1]
The intelligence services knew there were no WMDs in Iraq. Bush, Cheney & Co. twisted the data to argue that there were WMDs.[/quote]
I disagree with this allegation. Many, many, people, organizations, and countries believed Saddam had chemical weapons and might use them.

For example, other middle east leaders, other officials within Iraq, our allies, and our military. It’s really simplistic to attribute that much power and guile to Bush, Cheney & Co.

Didn’t Hillary speak of her concern of this during the authorization for use of force? Are you saying she was “in on it”?

Our troops were wearing MOPP protective suits in 130 degree weather there for awhile. It was not fun. I’m not buying that generals at the top issued those orders with a wink just for appearances to cover some spook or president’s behind. I don’t think they’d do it. Those guys are pretty serious about mission execution. If they issued those orders, imo, they themselves thought that the precautions were necessary.

Do we have any military type folks on this board that could comment?

[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1]
The intelligence services knew there were no WMDs in Iraq. Bush, Cheney & Co. twisted the data to argue that there were WMDs.[/quote]
I disagree with this allegation. Many, many, people, organizations, and countries believed Saddam had chemical weapons and might use them.

For example, other middle east leaders, other officials within Iraq, our allies, and our military. It’s really simplistic to attribute that much power and guile to Bush, Cheney & Co.

Didn’t Hillary speak of her concern of this during the authorization for use of force? Are you saying she was “in on it”?

Our troops were wearing MOPP protective suits in 130 degree weather there for awhile. It was not fun. I’m not buying that generals at the top issued those orders with a wink just for appearances to cover some spook or president’s behind. I don’t think they’d do it. Those guys are pretty serious about mission execution. If they issued those orders, imo, they themselves thought that the precautions were necessary.

Do we have any military type folks on this board that could comment?

[KSMountain]

[quote=Rustico]My personal philosophy of God is, “I don’t care or have the need to know”. Anything else is a waste of time to me. It’s hard to understand why everyone doesn’t see it this way.[/quote]
I think for many the point is to ensure they’re in good for the afterlife, right? That’s a pretty big prize, and loss of it is a pretty big penalty.

I think that’s what much of the fuss is all about.

[KSMountain]

[quote=Rustico]My personal philosophy of God is, “I don’t care or have the need to know”. Anything else is a waste of time to me. It’s hard to understand why everyone doesn’t see it this way.[/quote]
I think for many the point is to ensure they’re in good for the afterlife, right? That’s a pretty big prize, and loss of it is a pretty big penalty.

I think that’s what much of the fuss is all about.

[KSMountain]

[quote=Rustico]My personal philosophy of God is, “I don’t care or have the need to know”. Anything else is a waste of time to me. It’s hard to understand why everyone doesn’t see it this way.[/quote]
I think for many the point is to ensure they’re in good for the afterlife, right? That’s a pretty big prize, and loss of it is a pretty big penalty.

I think that’s what much of the fuss is all about.

[KSMountain]

[quote=Rustico]My personal philosophy of God is, “I don’t care or have the need to know”. Anything else is a waste of time to me. It’s hard to understand why everyone doesn’t see it this way.[/quote]
I think for many the point is to ensure they’re in good for the afterlife, right? That’s a pretty big prize, and loss of it is a pretty big penalty.

I think that’s what much of the fuss is all about.

[KSMountain]

[quote=Rustico]My personal philosophy of God is, “I don’t care or have the need to know”. Anything else is a waste of time to me. It’s hard to understand why everyone doesn’t see it this way.[/quote]
I think for many the point is to ensure they’re in good for the afterlife, right? That’s a pretty big prize, and loss of it is a pretty big penalty.

I think that’s what much of the fuss is all about.

[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1][quote=KSMountain] When was the last time we payed the bloody thing off?[/quote]

Think about it KSMountain, if you owed a whole year’s worth of income on your credit cards, and and wanted to pay them off quickly, you’d have to tighten the belt for a while.

You might be able to do so by yourself, but if you have wife and kids, they will not enjoy the lower standard of living.

Also remember, that the government needs to take on debt to build roads, schools, etc.. just like most Americans need debts to buy houses and cars, and send their kids to college.[/quote]
You’re going to have to tell the family that daddy is going to need another job, or mommy needs to cut back on the Ferragamo’s, or maybe we just won’t be able to do private school this year, pumpkin. Sorry. Because at this point we’re spending $1500/mo just in interest and the situation is only getting worse. As the parents, we’re going to have to make the choices to get things back to a sustainable trajectory.

Or I guess we could just declare bankruptcy.

[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1][quote=KSMountain] When was the last time we payed the bloody thing off?[/quote]

Think about it KSMountain, if you owed a whole year’s worth of income on your credit cards, and and wanted to pay them off quickly, you’d have to tighten the belt for a while.

You might be able to do so by yourself, but if you have wife and kids, they will not enjoy the lower standard of living.

Also remember, that the government needs to take on debt to build roads, schools, etc.. just like most Americans need debts to buy houses and cars, and send their kids to college.[/quote]
You’re going to have to tell the family that daddy is going to need another job, or mommy needs to cut back on the Ferragamo’s, or maybe we just won’t be able to do private school this year, pumpkin. Sorry. Because at this point we’re spending $1500/mo just in interest and the situation is only getting worse. As the parents, we’re going to have to make the choices to get things back to a sustainable trajectory.

Or I guess we could just declare bankruptcy.

[KSMountain]

[quote=briansd1][quote=KSMountain] When was the last time we payed the bloody thing off?[/quote]

Think about it KSMountain, if you owed a whole year’s worth of income on your credit cards, and and wanted to pay them off quickly, you’d have to tighten the belt for a while.

You might be able to do so by yourself, but if you have wife and kids, they will not enjoy the lower standard of living.

Also remember, that the government needs to take on debt to build roads, schools, etc.. just like most Americans need debts to buy houses and cars, and send their kids to college.[/quote]
You’re going to have to tell the family that daddy is going to need another job, or mommy needs to cut back on the Ferragamo’s, or maybe we just won’t be able to do private school this year, pumpkin. Sorry. Because at this point we’re spending $1500/mo just in interest and the situation is only getting worse. As the parents, we’re going to have to make the choices to get things back to a sustainable trajectory.

Or I guess we could just declare bankruptcy.

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