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I am never for higher taxes in this state. And sadly if prop 13 was done away with, it would not be balanced with lower taxes for everyone else. So given the current state of CA politics, I can not support the repeal of prop 13. But if we are in a fantasy land thought experiment, I would whole heartedly support the repeal. It seems incredibly unfair, old people should have to pay equal taxes. If the neighborhood they moved into turns into LJ 20 years after buying, and they can’t afford the taxes, vote for lower taxes or move out like the rest of us. But if we heap a repeal of prop 13 onto the current tax rates, well that is just confiscatory.

[jstoesz]

I am never for higher taxes in this state. And sadly if prop 13 was done away with, it would not be balanced with lower taxes for everyone else. So given the current state of CA politics, I can not support the repeal of prop 13. But if we are in a fantasy land thought experiment, I would whole heartedly support the repeal. It seems incredibly unfair, old people should have to pay equal taxes. If the neighborhood they moved into turns into LJ 20 years after buying, and they can’t afford the taxes, vote for lower taxes or move out like the rest of us. But if we heap a repeal of prop 13 onto the current tax rates, well that is just confiscatory.

[jstoesz]

[quote=Rustico][quote=afx114]I can not help but bathe in the irony of surveyor’s post, seeing that the Palin camp has come out and stated that no, those weren’t crosshairs on their map, they were surveyor’s symbols! Is surveyor Sarah Palin?

And the Democratic map was clearly a map of Target locations. They have groceries now, you know.[/quote]
The democratic map appears to use archery targets. The archer’s tools are much more dangerous than the surveyor’s theodolite, even so, neither is generally used in massacres. Move along, nothing to see here.[/quote]

I love learning new words! Theodolite! Excellent…now come clean, did you have this in your tool box already or did you have to look it up?

[jstoesz]

[quote=Rustico][quote=afx114]I can not help but bathe in the irony of surveyor’s post, seeing that the Palin camp has come out and stated that no, those weren’t crosshairs on their map, they were surveyor’s symbols! Is surveyor Sarah Palin?

And the Democratic map was clearly a map of Target locations. They have groceries now, you know.[/quote]
The democratic map appears to use archery targets. The archer’s tools are much more dangerous than the surveyor’s theodolite, even so, neither is generally used in massacres. Move along, nothing to see here.[/quote]

I love learning new words! Theodolite! Excellent…now come clean, did you have this in your tool box already or did you have to look it up?

[jstoesz]

[quote=Rustico][quote=afx114]I can not help but bathe in the irony of surveyor’s post, seeing that the Palin camp has come out and stated that no, those weren’t crosshairs on their map, they were surveyor’s symbols! Is surveyor Sarah Palin?

And the Democratic map was clearly a map of Target locations. They have groceries now, you know.[/quote]
The democratic map appears to use archery targets. The archer’s tools are much more dangerous than the surveyor’s theodolite, even so, neither is generally used in massacres. Move along, nothing to see here.[/quote]

I love learning new words! Theodolite! Excellent…now come clean, did you have this in your tool box already or did you have to look it up?

[jstoesz]

[quote=Rustico][quote=afx114]I can not help but bathe in the irony of surveyor’s post, seeing that the Palin camp has come out and stated that no, those weren’t crosshairs on their map, they were surveyor’s symbols! Is surveyor Sarah Palin?

And the Democratic map was clearly a map of Target locations. They have groceries now, you know.[/quote]
The democratic map appears to use archery targets. The archer’s tools are much more dangerous than the surveyor’s theodolite, even so, neither is generally used in massacres. Move along, nothing to see here.[/quote]

I love learning new words! Theodolite! Excellent…now come clean, did you have this in your tool box already or did you have to look it up?

[jstoesz]

[quote=Rustico][quote=afx114]I can not help but bathe in the irony of surveyor’s post, seeing that the Palin camp has come out and stated that no, those weren’t crosshairs on their map, they were surveyor’s symbols! Is surveyor Sarah Palin?

And the Democratic map was clearly a map of Target locations. They have groceries now, you know.[/quote]
The democratic map appears to use archery targets. The archer’s tools are much more dangerous than the surveyor’s theodolite, even so, neither is generally used in massacres. Move along, nothing to see here.[/quote]

I love learning new words! Theodolite! Excellent…now come clean, did you have this in your tool box already or did you have to look it up?

[jstoesz]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Arraya]The shooter is obviously a schizophrenic (undiagnosed). Socially inept, interested in philosophy, etymology, politics – not interested in helping the broken world but motivated to create chaos and destruction instead. Nihilism, detachment, disillusionment, loneliness – these are his four walls.

He’s schizophrenic. It really is as simple as that.[/quote]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
The shooter was a mentally ill young man. Reading through his utterances and rants, it becomes quickly apparent how sick he was. [/quote]

Did he have health insurance?

I wonder how many mentally ill Americans are walking around untreated. I guess they could check themselves into a hospital emergency room when they hit crisis stage.[/quote]

Yup Brian, this all happened because he did not have health insurance. Because paranoid schizophrenics are quite easy to treat and they always trust everyone with their care.

Brian I hope your post was at best tongue and cheek.

[jstoesz]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Arraya]The shooter is obviously a schizophrenic (undiagnosed). Socially inept, interested in philosophy, etymology, politics – not interested in helping the broken world but motivated to create chaos and destruction instead. Nihilism, detachment, disillusionment, loneliness – these are his four walls.

He’s schizophrenic. It really is as simple as that.[/quote]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
The shooter was a mentally ill young man. Reading through his utterances and rants, it becomes quickly apparent how sick he was. [/quote]

Did he have health insurance?

I wonder how many mentally ill Americans are walking around untreated. I guess they could check themselves into a hospital emergency room when they hit crisis stage.[/quote]

Yup Brian, this all happened because he did not have health insurance. Because paranoid schizophrenics are quite easy to treat and they always trust everyone with their care.

Brian I hope your post was at best tongue and cheek.

[jstoesz]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Arraya]The shooter is obviously a schizophrenic (undiagnosed). Socially inept, interested in philosophy, etymology, politics – not interested in helping the broken world but motivated to create chaos and destruction instead. Nihilism, detachment, disillusionment, loneliness – these are his four walls.

He’s schizophrenic. It really is as simple as that.[/quote]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
The shooter was a mentally ill young man. Reading through his utterances and rants, it becomes quickly apparent how sick he was. [/quote]

Did he have health insurance?

I wonder how many mentally ill Americans are walking around untreated. I guess they could check themselves into a hospital emergency room when they hit crisis stage.[/quote]

Yup Brian, this all happened because he did not have health insurance. Because paranoid schizophrenics are quite easy to treat and they always trust everyone with their care.

Brian I hope your post was at best tongue and cheek.

[jstoesz]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Arraya]The shooter is obviously a schizophrenic (undiagnosed). Socially inept, interested in philosophy, etymology, politics – not interested in helping the broken world but motivated to create chaos and destruction instead. Nihilism, detachment, disillusionment, loneliness – these are his four walls.

He’s schizophrenic. It really is as simple as that.[/quote]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
The shooter was a mentally ill young man. Reading through his utterances and rants, it becomes quickly apparent how sick he was. [/quote]

Did he have health insurance?

I wonder how many mentally ill Americans are walking around untreated. I guess they could check themselves into a hospital emergency room when they hit crisis stage.[/quote]

Yup Brian, this all happened because he did not have health insurance. Because paranoid schizophrenics are quite easy to treat and they always trust everyone with their care.

Brian I hope your post was at best tongue and cheek.

[jstoesz]

[quote=briansd1][quote=Arraya]The shooter is obviously a schizophrenic (undiagnosed). Socially inept, interested in philosophy, etymology, politics – not interested in helping the broken world but motivated to create chaos and destruction instead. Nihilism, detachment, disillusionment, loneliness – these are his four walls.

He’s schizophrenic. It really is as simple as that.[/quote]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
The shooter was a mentally ill young man. Reading through his utterances and rants, it becomes quickly apparent how sick he was. [/quote]

Did he have health insurance?

I wonder how many mentally ill Americans are walking around untreated. I guess they could check themselves into a hospital emergency room when they hit crisis stage.[/quote]

Yup Brian, this all happened because he did not have health insurance. Because paranoid schizophrenics are quite easy to treat and they always trust everyone with their care.

Brian I hope your post was at best tongue and cheek.

[jstoesz]

[quote=Arraya]Don’t get me wrong there are millions of mentally ill people that no harm to society and a toxic environment can trigger such things. Actually, the more it is looked at – a toxic environment can actually trigger the chemical imbalances.

I said back in the Joe Stack thread last year that I expect more incidents like this. It’s just the increasing toxicity of our culture driven by an untrustworthy power structure and systemic economic decay and complete desentization of violence.

The truth is that we live in a society which sanctions semi-electrocution of its own children on the grounds that it is not fatal, and therefore not true electrocution. It springs from the same streak of cultural cruelty that deems semi-drowning by water boarding not to be torture because it is seldom fatal.

In other news a predator drone killed 12 at a wedding party[/quote]

Arraya, you speak with impressive ignorance and simplicity. Maybe we should hang up the predator and go back to carpet bombing…the humane way to conduct war. Man if only we could go back to the days of General Curtis LeMay. Move over Albert Schweitzer, hello Lemay the finest humanitarian of the 20th century!

Oh, and EST here is some research for you…Not quite like “one flew over the cuckoos nest” anymore…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy

[jstoesz]

[quote=Arraya]Don’t get me wrong there are millions of mentally ill people that no harm to society and a toxic environment can trigger such things. Actually, the more it is looked at – a toxic environment can actually trigger the chemical imbalances.

I said back in the Joe Stack thread last year that I expect more incidents like this. It’s just the increasing toxicity of our culture driven by an untrustworthy power structure and systemic economic decay and complete desentization of violence.

The truth is that we live in a society which sanctions semi-electrocution of its own children on the grounds that it is not fatal, and therefore not true electrocution. It springs from the same streak of cultural cruelty that deems semi-drowning by water boarding not to be torture because it is seldom fatal.

In other news a predator drone killed 12 at a wedding party[/quote]

Arraya, you speak with impressive ignorance and simplicity. Maybe we should hang up the predator and go back to carpet bombing…the humane way to conduct war. Man if only we could go back to the days of General Curtis LeMay. Move over Albert Schweitzer, hello Lemay the finest humanitarian of the 20th century!

Oh, and EST here is some research for you…Not quite like “one flew over the cuckoos nest” anymore…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy

[jstoesz]

[quote=Arraya]Don’t get me wrong there are millions of mentally ill people that no harm to society and a toxic environment can trigger such things. Actually, the more it is looked at – a toxic environment can actually trigger the chemical imbalances.

I said back in the Joe Stack thread last year that I expect more incidents like this. It’s just the increasing toxicity of our culture driven by an untrustworthy power structure and systemic economic decay and complete desentization of violence.

The truth is that we live in a society which sanctions semi-electrocution of its own children on the grounds that it is not fatal, and therefore not true electrocution. It springs from the same streak of cultural cruelty that deems semi-drowning by water boarding not to be torture because it is seldom fatal.

In other news a predator drone killed 12 at a wedding party[/quote]

Arraya, you speak with impressive ignorance and simplicity. Maybe we should hang up the predator and go back to carpet bombing…the humane way to conduct war. Man if only we could go back to the days of General Curtis LeMay. Move over Albert Schweitzer, hello Lemay the finest humanitarian of the 20th century!

Oh, and EST here is some research for you…Not quite like “one flew over the cuckoos nest” anymore…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy

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