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Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=jficquette][quote=ocrenter]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
sounds like separation of church and state is pretty clear cut here.[/quote]
It’s not there at all. It simply says that the government has no business meddling with religion period.[/quote]
Idealogues see things as simple. As cut and dried. Black and white. The words, as written, are opaque, neither black nor white. Clarity has only been provided by almost 219 years of precedent, set by the supreme court. Pointing to the words, without the context of those subsequent court decisions is ignoring the law.[/quote]
The words are very clear. They just run counter to what the ideologues on the left feel they should say.
Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=jficquette][quote=ocrenter]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
sounds like separation of church and state is pretty clear cut here.[/quote]
It’s not there at all. It simply says that the government has no business meddling with religion period.[/quote]
Idealogues see things as simple. As cut and dried. Black and white. The words, as written, are opaque, neither black nor white. Clarity has only been provided by almost 219 years of precedent, set by the supreme court. Pointing to the words, without the context of those subsequent court decisions is ignoring the law.[/quote]
The words are very clear. They just run counter to what the ideologues on the left feel they should say.
Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=jficquette][quote=ocrenter]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
sounds like separation of church and state is pretty clear cut here.[/quote]
It’s not there at all. It simply says that the government has no business meddling with religion period.[/quote]
Idealogues see things as simple. As cut and dried. Black and white. The words, as written, are opaque, neither black nor white. Clarity has only been provided by almost 219 years of precedent, set by the supreme court. Pointing to the words, without the context of those subsequent court decisions is ignoring the law.[/quote]
The words are very clear. They just run counter to what the ideologues on the left feel they should say.
Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=jficquette][quote=ocrenter]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
sounds like separation of church and state is pretty clear cut here.[/quote]
It’s not there at all. It simply says that the government has no business meddling with religion period.[/quote]
Idealogues see things as simple. As cut and dried. Black and white. The words, as written, are opaque, neither black nor white. Clarity has only been provided by almost 219 years of precedent, set by the supreme court. Pointing to the words, without the context of those subsequent court decisions is ignoring the law.[/quote]
The words are very clear. They just run counter to what the ideologues on the left feel they should say.
Participant[quote=ocrenter]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
sounds like separation of church and state is pretty clear cut here.[/quote]
It’s not there at all. It simply says that the government has no business meddling with religion period.
Participant[quote=ocrenter]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
sounds like separation of church and state is pretty clear cut here.[/quote]
It’s not there at all. It simply says that the government has no business meddling with religion period.
Participant[quote=ocrenter]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
sounds like separation of church and state is pretty clear cut here.[/quote]
It’s not there at all. It simply says that the government has no business meddling with religion period.
Participant[quote=ocrenter]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
sounds like separation of church and state is pretty clear cut here.[/quote]
It’s not there at all. It simply says that the government has no business meddling with religion period.
Participant[quote=ocrenter]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
sounds like separation of church and state is pretty clear cut here.[/quote]
It’s not there at all. It simply says that the government has no business meddling with religion period.
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=jficquette][quote=CA renter]1. They aren’t “personal errands,” no matter how many times you try to repeat it.
2. They are usually coming from a call or training exercise when they stop by the store, so they are not wasting any money.[/quote]
Are there rules about where about where they can take the vehicles on non fire fighting trips?
Are trips logged to show where when and why the vehicle was taken out of the station or from point to point?
I have never seen them fill up with fuel. Do firehouses have fuel pumps or do they go to a gas station?
Just curious on how it all works since we are on the subject.
John[/quote]
1. Yes, there are very strict rules about where they can go and what they can do. One thing they absolutely cannot do is run “personal errands.”
2. Yes, the engines/trucks can be tracked. They are equipped with GPS systems (the ones I’m aware, of but some others might not be).
3. Most fire departments have their own fuel supply.[/quote]
Ok so they are not accountable for where they go since they don’t log it.
CAR, you will never convince me that going to get food is not “personal business”. It is for any private employer but the government has its own standards I see. Translated into “we can do no wrong”
John
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=jficquette][quote=CA renter]1. They aren’t “personal errands,” no matter how many times you try to repeat it.
2. They are usually coming from a call or training exercise when they stop by the store, so they are not wasting any money.[/quote]
Are there rules about where about where they can take the vehicles on non fire fighting trips?
Are trips logged to show where when and why the vehicle was taken out of the station or from point to point?
I have never seen them fill up with fuel. Do firehouses have fuel pumps or do they go to a gas station?
Just curious on how it all works since we are on the subject.
John[/quote]
1. Yes, there are very strict rules about where they can go and what they can do. One thing they absolutely cannot do is run “personal errands.”
2. Yes, the engines/trucks can be tracked. They are equipped with GPS systems (the ones I’m aware, of but some others might not be).
3. Most fire departments have their own fuel supply.[/quote]
Ok so they are not accountable for where they go since they don’t log it.
CAR, you will never convince me that going to get food is not “personal business”. It is for any private employer but the government has its own standards I see. Translated into “we can do no wrong”
John
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=jficquette][quote=CA renter]1. They aren’t “personal errands,” no matter how many times you try to repeat it.
2. They are usually coming from a call or training exercise when they stop by the store, so they are not wasting any money.[/quote]
Are there rules about where about where they can take the vehicles on non fire fighting trips?
Are trips logged to show where when and why the vehicle was taken out of the station or from point to point?
I have never seen them fill up with fuel. Do firehouses have fuel pumps or do they go to a gas station?
Just curious on how it all works since we are on the subject.
John[/quote]
1. Yes, there are very strict rules about where they can go and what they can do. One thing they absolutely cannot do is run “personal errands.”
2. Yes, the engines/trucks can be tracked. They are equipped with GPS systems (the ones I’m aware, of but some others might not be).
3. Most fire departments have their own fuel supply.[/quote]
Ok so they are not accountable for where they go since they don’t log it.
CAR, you will never convince me that going to get food is not “personal business”. It is for any private employer but the government has its own standards I see. Translated into “we can do no wrong”
John
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=jficquette][quote=CA renter]1. They aren’t “personal errands,” no matter how many times you try to repeat it.
2. They are usually coming from a call or training exercise when they stop by the store, so they are not wasting any money.[/quote]
Are there rules about where about where they can take the vehicles on non fire fighting trips?
Are trips logged to show where when and why the vehicle was taken out of the station or from point to point?
I have never seen them fill up with fuel. Do firehouses have fuel pumps or do they go to a gas station?
Just curious on how it all works since we are on the subject.
John[/quote]
1. Yes, there are very strict rules about where they can go and what they can do. One thing they absolutely cannot do is run “personal errands.”
2. Yes, the engines/trucks can be tracked. They are equipped with GPS systems (the ones I’m aware, of but some others might not be).
3. Most fire departments have their own fuel supply.[/quote]
Ok so they are not accountable for where they go since they don’t log it.
CAR, you will never convince me that going to get food is not “personal business”. It is for any private employer but the government has its own standards I see. Translated into “we can do no wrong”
John
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=jficquette][quote=CA renter]1. They aren’t “personal errands,” no matter how many times you try to repeat it.
2. They are usually coming from a call or training exercise when they stop by the store, so they are not wasting any money.[/quote]
Are there rules about where about where they can take the vehicles on non fire fighting trips?
Are trips logged to show where when and why the vehicle was taken out of the station or from point to point?
I have never seen them fill up with fuel. Do firehouses have fuel pumps or do they go to a gas station?
Just curious on how it all works since we are on the subject.
John[/quote]
1. Yes, there are very strict rules about where they can go and what they can do. One thing they absolutely cannot do is run “personal errands.”
2. Yes, the engines/trucks can be tracked. They are equipped with GPS systems (the ones I’m aware, of but some others might not be).
3. Most fire departments have their own fuel supply.[/quote]
Ok so they are not accountable for where they go since they don’t log it.
CAR, you will never convince me that going to get food is not “personal business”. It is for any private employer but the government has its own standards I see. Translated into “we can do no wrong”
John
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