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[quote=Aecetia]John,

Does that mean we are being punished for the sins of our fathers regarding Saddam Hussein? Regarding who used him first, whether a dictator supports the West, works with the Nazis or supports communism, when you work with them, some of sticks on you and that is the part of political compromise that I do not like.

Its that old saying the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Chinese say it this way:”It is good to strike the serpent’s head with your enemy’s hand.” I think this one bit us.[/quote]

Yes it means that we are forced to choose sometimes between the lesser of two evils.

Consider what type of world it would be if we didn’t get invovled. I say this even after considering the actions some judge in hindsight as mistakes.

Without America the world would be ran by Hitlers, Stalins, Mao’s.

Our siding with Stalin in WW2 was a prime example.

Stalin killed 20 million of his own people in purges in the late 30’s. In fact Stalin made Hitler look like a boy scout.

One point about Saddaam in the Iran war. Iran had just overthrown the Shah and had taken our Embassy hostage. Pretty sure there was some revenge going on with that.

One more point. The war is going well and is being won. Generations to come will be able to live in a better world because of it.

History will judge it to have been a success.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=Aecetia]John,

Does that mean we are being punished for the sins of our fathers regarding Saddam Hussein? Regarding who used him first, whether a dictator supports the West, works with the Nazis or supports communism, when you work with them, some of sticks on you and that is the part of political compromise that I do not like.

Its that old saying the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Chinese say it this way:”It is good to strike the serpent’s head with your enemy’s hand.” I think this one bit us.[/quote]

Yes it means that we are forced to choose sometimes between the lesser of two evils.

Consider what type of world it would be if we didn’t get invovled. I say this even after considering the actions some judge in hindsight as mistakes.

Without America the world would be ran by Hitlers, Stalins, Mao’s.

Our siding with Stalin in WW2 was a prime example.

Stalin killed 20 million of his own people in purges in the late 30’s. In fact Stalin made Hitler look like a boy scout.

One point about Saddaam in the Iran war. Iran had just overthrown the Shah and had taken our Embassy hostage. Pretty sure there was some revenge going on with that.

One more point. The war is going well and is being won. Generations to come will be able to live in a better world because of it.

History will judge it to have been a success.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=Aecetia]John,

Does that mean we are being punished for the sins of our fathers regarding Saddam Hussein? Regarding who used him first, whether a dictator supports the West, works with the Nazis or supports communism, when you work with them, some of sticks on you and that is the part of political compromise that I do not like.

Its that old saying the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Chinese say it this way:”It is good to strike the serpent’s head with your enemy’s hand.” I think this one bit us.[/quote]

Yes it means that we are forced to choose sometimes between the lesser of two evils.

Consider what type of world it would be if we didn’t get invovled. I say this even after considering the actions some judge in hindsight as mistakes.

Without America the world would be ran by Hitlers, Stalins, Mao’s.

Our siding with Stalin in WW2 was a prime example.

Stalin killed 20 million of his own people in purges in the late 30’s. In fact Stalin made Hitler look like a boy scout.

One point about Saddaam in the Iran war. Iran had just overthrown the Shah and had taken our Embassy hostage. Pretty sure there was some revenge going on with that.

One more point. The war is going well and is being won. Generations to come will be able to live in a better world because of it.

History will judge it to have been a success.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=Aecetia]John,

Does that mean we are being punished for the sins of our fathers regarding Saddam Hussein? Regarding who used him first, whether a dictator supports the West, works with the Nazis or supports communism, when you work with them, some of sticks on you and that is the part of political compromise that I do not like.

Its that old saying the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Chinese say it this way:”It is good to strike the serpent’s head with your enemy’s hand.” I think this one bit us.[/quote]

Yes it means that we are forced to choose sometimes between the lesser of two evils.

Consider what type of world it would be if we didn’t get invovled. I say this even after considering the actions some judge in hindsight as mistakes.

Without America the world would be ran by Hitlers, Stalins, Mao’s.

Our siding with Stalin in WW2 was a prime example.

Stalin killed 20 million of his own people in purges in the late 30’s. In fact Stalin made Hitler look like a boy scout.

One point about Saddaam in the Iran war. Iran had just overthrown the Shah and had taken our Embassy hostage. Pretty sure there was some revenge going on with that.

One more point. The war is going well and is being won. Generations to come will be able to live in a better world because of it.

History will judge it to have been a success.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=Aecetia]John,

Does that mean we are being punished for the sins of our fathers regarding Saddam Hussein? Regarding who used him first, whether a dictator supports the West, works with the Nazis or supports communism, when you work with them, some of sticks on you and that is the part of political compromise that I do not like.

Its that old saying the enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Chinese say it this way:”It is good to strike the serpent’s head with your enemy’s hand.” I think this one bit us.[/quote]

Yes it means that we are forced to choose sometimes between the lesser of two evils.

Consider what type of world it would be if we didn’t get invovled. I say this even after considering the actions some judge in hindsight as mistakes.

Without America the world would be ran by Hitlers, Stalins, Mao’s.

Our siding with Stalin in WW2 was a prime example.

Stalin killed 20 million of his own people in purges in the late 30’s. In fact Stalin made Hitler look like a boy scout.

One point about Saddaam in the Iran war. Iran had just overthrown the Shah and had taken our Embassy hostage. Pretty sure there was some revenge going on with that.

One more point. The war is going well and is being won. Generations to come will be able to live in a better world because of it.

History will judge it to have been a success.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=gandalf]Huh? How can that be. jfiq a Jets fan?

This is nuts.

Okay, here’s what I’m thinking. I think things aren’t always what they seem. I think jfiq’s actually a secret Democrat. Follow me on this one. Obama’s a secret Muslim, right? Well, jfiq’s actually — an East Coast leftie.

Yeah, he’s actually a Dem, but is cleverly planting over-the-top and ridiculous “Dems are Evil” topics to agitate all the reasonable (but fed up) centrists like me to rise up against — you guessed it, a fictitious ‘so-called’ right-wing freakshow. It’s all a ruse! Nothing to do with crazy-base loonies.

In reality, all those topics don’t have anything to do with Republicans. It’s all just a plant. How incredibly ingenious. Hats off to jfiq, man. The dude had me completely fooled! I almost voted for Obama. Damn…

Might have to rethink my Obama support.[/quote]

I am really the man from U.N.C.L.E.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=gandalf]Huh? How can that be. jfiq a Jets fan?

This is nuts.

Okay, here’s what I’m thinking. I think things aren’t always what they seem. I think jfiq’s actually a secret Democrat. Follow me on this one. Obama’s a secret Muslim, right? Well, jfiq’s actually — an East Coast leftie.

Yeah, he’s actually a Dem, but is cleverly planting over-the-top and ridiculous “Dems are Evil” topics to agitate all the reasonable (but fed up) centrists like me to rise up against — you guessed it, a fictitious ‘so-called’ right-wing freakshow. It’s all a ruse! Nothing to do with crazy-base loonies.

In reality, all those topics don’t have anything to do with Republicans. It’s all just a plant. How incredibly ingenious. Hats off to jfiq, man. The dude had me completely fooled! I almost voted for Obama. Damn…

Might have to rethink my Obama support.[/quote]

I am really the man from U.N.C.L.E.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=gandalf]Huh? How can that be. jfiq a Jets fan?

This is nuts.

Okay, here’s what I’m thinking. I think things aren’t always what they seem. I think jfiq’s actually a secret Democrat. Follow me on this one. Obama’s a secret Muslim, right? Well, jfiq’s actually — an East Coast leftie.

Yeah, he’s actually a Dem, but is cleverly planting over-the-top and ridiculous “Dems are Evil” topics to agitate all the reasonable (but fed up) centrists like me to rise up against — you guessed it, a fictitious ‘so-called’ right-wing freakshow. It’s all a ruse! Nothing to do with crazy-base loonies.

In reality, all those topics don’t have anything to do with Republicans. It’s all just a plant. How incredibly ingenious. Hats off to jfiq, man. The dude had me completely fooled! I almost voted for Obama. Damn…

Might have to rethink my Obama support.[/quote]

I am really the man from U.N.C.L.E.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=gandalf]Huh? How can that be. jfiq a Jets fan?

This is nuts.

Okay, here’s what I’m thinking. I think things aren’t always what they seem. I think jfiq’s actually a secret Democrat. Follow me on this one. Obama’s a secret Muslim, right? Well, jfiq’s actually — an East Coast leftie.

Yeah, he’s actually a Dem, but is cleverly planting over-the-top and ridiculous “Dems are Evil” topics to agitate all the reasonable (but fed up) centrists like me to rise up against — you guessed it, a fictitious ‘so-called’ right-wing freakshow. It’s all a ruse! Nothing to do with crazy-base loonies.

In reality, all those topics don’t have anything to do with Republicans. It’s all just a plant. How incredibly ingenious. Hats off to jfiq, man. The dude had me completely fooled! I almost voted for Obama. Damn…

Might have to rethink my Obama support.[/quote]

I am really the man from U.N.C.L.E.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=gandalf]Huh? How can that be. jfiq a Jets fan?

This is nuts.

Okay, here’s what I’m thinking. I think things aren’t always what they seem. I think jfiq’s actually a secret Democrat. Follow me on this one. Obama’s a secret Muslim, right? Well, jfiq’s actually — an East Coast leftie.

Yeah, he’s actually a Dem, but is cleverly planting over-the-top and ridiculous “Dems are Evil” topics to agitate all the reasonable (but fed up) centrists like me to rise up against — you guessed it, a fictitious ‘so-called’ right-wing freakshow. It’s all a ruse! Nothing to do with crazy-base loonies.

In reality, all those topics don’t have anything to do with Republicans. It’s all just a plant. How incredibly ingenious. Hats off to jfiq, man. The dude had me completely fooled! I almost voted for Obama. Damn…

Might have to rethink my Obama support.[/quote]

I am really the man from U.N.C.L.E.

John

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[quote=gandalf]One of the things I factored into my ‘Obama Support’ is that we’re collectively broke. The whole public finance scene is a house of cards. Federal, state, municipal, institutional, tax system, etc. It can’t continue indefinitely. The books don’t balance.

So it doesn’t bother me too much that Obama or the Dems promise various programs (or the Reps for that matter because they’re fiscally irresponsible porkers too). They won’t be able to follow through because there won’t be enough money.

Drawing down our footprint in Iraq helps. That’s a couple hundred billion a year. Doesn’t change the ballgame though. We can’t keep spending money we don’t have. Minimal safety net and that’s it. Enforce immigration laws, including penalties on employers who break the law.

One of the real intriguing aspects of the next 10 years to me — how we finance an “Apollo Mission” on Energy? If there are breakthroughs on the technology side, efficient electric vehicles for example, it would have a tremendous impact on our economy and might end up paying for the initial R&D. That’s my hunch.[/quote]

Obama is planning on raising taxes and spending the money being spent in Iraq on more Social BS.

Don’t think he plans on saving the money. More taxes more spending.

[jficquette]

[quote=gandalf]One of the things I factored into my ‘Obama Support’ is that we’re collectively broke. The whole public finance scene is a house of cards. Federal, state, municipal, institutional, tax system, etc. It can’t continue indefinitely. The books don’t balance.

So it doesn’t bother me too much that Obama or the Dems promise various programs (or the Reps for that matter because they’re fiscally irresponsible porkers too). They won’t be able to follow through because there won’t be enough money.

Drawing down our footprint in Iraq helps. That’s a couple hundred billion a year. Doesn’t change the ballgame though. We can’t keep spending money we don’t have. Minimal safety net and that’s it. Enforce immigration laws, including penalties on employers who break the law.

One of the real intriguing aspects of the next 10 years to me — how we finance an “Apollo Mission” on Energy? If there are breakthroughs on the technology side, efficient electric vehicles for example, it would have a tremendous impact on our economy and might end up paying for the initial R&D. That’s my hunch.[/quote]

Obama is planning on raising taxes and spending the money being spent in Iraq on more Social BS.

Don’t think he plans on saving the money. More taxes more spending.

[jficquette]

[quote=gandalf]One of the things I factored into my ‘Obama Support’ is that we’re collectively broke. The whole public finance scene is a house of cards. Federal, state, municipal, institutional, tax system, etc. It can’t continue indefinitely. The books don’t balance.

So it doesn’t bother me too much that Obama or the Dems promise various programs (or the Reps for that matter because they’re fiscally irresponsible porkers too). They won’t be able to follow through because there won’t be enough money.

Drawing down our footprint in Iraq helps. That’s a couple hundred billion a year. Doesn’t change the ballgame though. We can’t keep spending money we don’t have. Minimal safety net and that’s it. Enforce immigration laws, including penalties on employers who break the law.

One of the real intriguing aspects of the next 10 years to me — how we finance an “Apollo Mission” on Energy? If there are breakthroughs on the technology side, efficient electric vehicles for example, it would have a tremendous impact on our economy and might end up paying for the initial R&D. That’s my hunch.[/quote]

Obama is planning on raising taxes and spending the money being spent in Iraq on more Social BS.

Don’t think he plans on saving the money. More taxes more spending.

[jficquette]

[quote=gandalf]One of the things I factored into my ‘Obama Support’ is that we’re collectively broke. The whole public finance scene is a house of cards. Federal, state, municipal, institutional, tax system, etc. It can’t continue indefinitely. The books don’t balance.

So it doesn’t bother me too much that Obama or the Dems promise various programs (or the Reps for that matter because they’re fiscally irresponsible porkers too). They won’t be able to follow through because there won’t be enough money.

Drawing down our footprint in Iraq helps. That’s a couple hundred billion a year. Doesn’t change the ballgame though. We can’t keep spending money we don’t have. Minimal safety net and that’s it. Enforce immigration laws, including penalties on employers who break the law.

One of the real intriguing aspects of the next 10 years to me — how we finance an “Apollo Mission” on Energy? If there are breakthroughs on the technology side, efficient electric vehicles for example, it would have a tremendous impact on our economy and might end up paying for the initial R&D. That’s my hunch.[/quote]

Obama is planning on raising taxes and spending the money being spent in Iraq on more Social BS.

Don’t think he plans on saving the money. More taxes more spending.

[jficquette]

[quote=gandalf]One of the things I factored into my ‘Obama Support’ is that we’re collectively broke. The whole public finance scene is a house of cards. Federal, state, municipal, institutional, tax system, etc. It can’t continue indefinitely. The books don’t balance.

So it doesn’t bother me too much that Obama or the Dems promise various programs (or the Reps for that matter because they’re fiscally irresponsible porkers too). They won’t be able to follow through because there won’t be enough money.

Drawing down our footprint in Iraq helps. That’s a couple hundred billion a year. Doesn’t change the ballgame though. We can’t keep spending money we don’t have. Minimal safety net and that’s it. Enforce immigration laws, including penalties on employers who break the law.

One of the real intriguing aspects of the next 10 years to me — how we finance an “Apollo Mission” on Energy? If there are breakthroughs on the technology side, efficient electric vehicles for example, it would have a tremendous impact on our economy and might end up paying for the initial R&D. That’s my hunch.[/quote]

Obama is planning on raising taxes and spending the money being spent in Iraq on more Social BS.

Don’t think he plans on saving the money. More taxes more spending.

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