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jficquette
Participant[quote=peterb]I think that raw land is getting hit pretty hard right now. It usually does at this stage of a real estate deflation. Having said that, if one builds a house for around $150 sq/ft. That would make the construction price about $300K for 2000 sq/ft. And I think that’s a pretty cheap price to build in CA. I think Temecula homes can be bought for $300K right now that are not too old. So that would put the price of the raw land they’re on as pretty cheap. I think. And this land is far from “raw”. [/quote]
Let me share this with you since I bet you would get a kick out of it.
I was buying 1/2 acre lots for $12,500. My “entry level” Split Foyer plan had 1206 sq feet and went for (gulp) $59950. My upper end had 1400 sq feet and went for 76950.
$300k for a house in Temecula sounds like a great deal.
John
Participant[quote=peterb]I think that raw land is getting hit pretty hard right now. It usually does at this stage of a real estate deflation. Having said that, if one builds a house for around $150 sq/ft. That would make the construction price about $300K for 2000 sq/ft. And I think that’s a pretty cheap price to build in CA. I think Temecula homes can be bought for $300K right now that are not too old. So that would put the price of the raw land they’re on as pretty cheap. I think. And this land is far from “raw”. [/quote]
Let me share this with you since I bet you would get a kick out of it.
I was buying 1/2 acre lots for $12,500. My “entry level” Split Foyer plan had 1206 sq feet and went for (gulp) $59950. My upper end had 1400 sq feet and went for 76950.
$300k for a house in Temecula sounds like a great deal.
John
Participant[quote=peterb]I think that raw land is getting hit pretty hard right now. It usually does at this stage of a real estate deflation. Having said that, if one builds a house for around $150 sq/ft. That would make the construction price about $300K for 2000 sq/ft. And I think that’s a pretty cheap price to build in CA. I think Temecula homes can be bought for $300K right now that are not too old. So that would put the price of the raw land they’re on as pretty cheap. I think. And this land is far from “raw”. [/quote]
Let me share this with you since I bet you would get a kick out of it.
I was buying 1/2 acre lots for $12,500. My “entry level” Split Foyer plan had 1206 sq feet and went for (gulp) $59950. My upper end had 1400 sq feet and went for 76950.
$300k for a house in Temecula sounds like a great deal.
John
Participant[quote=peterb]I think that raw land is getting hit pretty hard right now. It usually does at this stage of a real estate deflation. Having said that, if one builds a house for around $150 sq/ft. That would make the construction price about $300K for 2000 sq/ft. And I think that’s a pretty cheap price to build in CA. I think Temecula homes can be bought for $300K right now that are not too old. So that would put the price of the raw land they’re on as pretty cheap. I think. And this land is far from “raw”. [/quote]
Let me share this with you since I bet you would get a kick out of it.
I was buying 1/2 acre lots for $12,500. My “entry level” Split Foyer plan had 1206 sq feet and went for (gulp) $59950. My upper end had 1400 sq feet and went for 76950.
$300k for a house in Temecula sounds like a great deal.
John
Participant[quote=esmith]Stalin killed 20 million of his own people in the early, mid 30’s by starving them to death and in military purges.
When is the last time a society that put the individual first murdered 20 million of its own?? When is the last time America killed 20 million of its own on purpose?? No difference between America and Russia??
Just to clarify.
Official execution figures from KGB archives speak of approximately 800,000 people executed during Stalin’s reign, or 30,000 people per year. United States could match this rate simply by executing all convicted murderers and rapists.
1920’s Soviet Union was largely a pre-industrial country, little to no machinery, low agriculture yields, etc. Outside Moscow and St. Petersburg, there were few doctors, literacy rate was well below 50%. (Also, did I mention 3-month summers and 6-month winters?) Famines were not uncommon. Stalin’s collectivization and industrialization program put an end to those famines.
If you think that letting large numbers of your citizens die qualifies as “collectivism”, go and read up on Ireland in 1845-49, and then let’s discuss why 19th century UK was a collectivist state.[/quote]
Esmith,
Stalin has always been accused of killing millions. I saw it claimed again in a history presentation on his life a couple of weeks ago on the history channel.
Stalin was the most evil man of the 20th century. You would have to back to Vlad the Impaler to find a worst person.
Why do you believe the KGB files? What leader post Stalin would want an offical record of millions dying??
Collectism letting millions die shows that Collectism as a social order doesn’t work.
John
Participant[quote=esmith]Stalin killed 20 million of his own people in the early, mid 30’s by starving them to death and in military purges.
When is the last time a society that put the individual first murdered 20 million of its own?? When is the last time America killed 20 million of its own on purpose?? No difference between America and Russia??
Just to clarify.
Official execution figures from KGB archives speak of approximately 800,000 people executed during Stalin’s reign, or 30,000 people per year. United States could match this rate simply by executing all convicted murderers and rapists.
1920’s Soviet Union was largely a pre-industrial country, little to no machinery, low agriculture yields, etc. Outside Moscow and St. Petersburg, there were few doctors, literacy rate was well below 50%. (Also, did I mention 3-month summers and 6-month winters?) Famines were not uncommon. Stalin’s collectivization and industrialization program put an end to those famines.
If you think that letting large numbers of your citizens die qualifies as “collectivism”, go and read up on Ireland in 1845-49, and then let’s discuss why 19th century UK was a collectivist state.[/quote]
Esmith,
Stalin has always been accused of killing millions. I saw it claimed again in a history presentation on his life a couple of weeks ago on the history channel.
Stalin was the most evil man of the 20th century. You would have to back to Vlad the Impaler to find a worst person.
Why do you believe the KGB files? What leader post Stalin would want an offical record of millions dying??
Collectism letting millions die shows that Collectism as a social order doesn’t work.
John
Participant[quote=esmith]Stalin killed 20 million of his own people in the early, mid 30’s by starving them to death and in military purges.
When is the last time a society that put the individual first murdered 20 million of its own?? When is the last time America killed 20 million of its own on purpose?? No difference between America and Russia??
Just to clarify.
Official execution figures from KGB archives speak of approximately 800,000 people executed during Stalin’s reign, or 30,000 people per year. United States could match this rate simply by executing all convicted murderers and rapists.
1920’s Soviet Union was largely a pre-industrial country, little to no machinery, low agriculture yields, etc. Outside Moscow and St. Petersburg, there were few doctors, literacy rate was well below 50%. (Also, did I mention 3-month summers and 6-month winters?) Famines were not uncommon. Stalin’s collectivization and industrialization program put an end to those famines.
If you think that letting large numbers of your citizens die qualifies as “collectivism”, go and read up on Ireland in 1845-49, and then let’s discuss why 19th century UK was a collectivist state.[/quote]
Esmith,
Stalin has always been accused of killing millions. I saw it claimed again in a history presentation on his life a couple of weeks ago on the history channel.
Stalin was the most evil man of the 20th century. You would have to back to Vlad the Impaler to find a worst person.
Why do you believe the KGB files? What leader post Stalin would want an offical record of millions dying??
Collectism letting millions die shows that Collectism as a social order doesn’t work.
John
Participant[quote=esmith]Stalin killed 20 million of his own people in the early, mid 30’s by starving them to death and in military purges.
When is the last time a society that put the individual first murdered 20 million of its own?? When is the last time America killed 20 million of its own on purpose?? No difference between America and Russia??
Just to clarify.
Official execution figures from KGB archives speak of approximately 800,000 people executed during Stalin’s reign, or 30,000 people per year. United States could match this rate simply by executing all convicted murderers and rapists.
1920’s Soviet Union was largely a pre-industrial country, little to no machinery, low agriculture yields, etc. Outside Moscow and St. Petersburg, there were few doctors, literacy rate was well below 50%. (Also, did I mention 3-month summers and 6-month winters?) Famines were not uncommon. Stalin’s collectivization and industrialization program put an end to those famines.
If you think that letting large numbers of your citizens die qualifies as “collectivism”, go and read up on Ireland in 1845-49, and then let’s discuss why 19th century UK was a collectivist state.[/quote]
Esmith,
Stalin has always been accused of killing millions. I saw it claimed again in a history presentation on his life a couple of weeks ago on the history channel.
Stalin was the most evil man of the 20th century. You would have to back to Vlad the Impaler to find a worst person.
Why do you believe the KGB files? What leader post Stalin would want an offical record of millions dying??
Collectism letting millions die shows that Collectism as a social order doesn’t work.
John
Participant[quote=esmith]Stalin killed 20 million of his own people in the early, mid 30’s by starving them to death and in military purges.
When is the last time a society that put the individual first murdered 20 million of its own?? When is the last time America killed 20 million of its own on purpose?? No difference between America and Russia??
Just to clarify.
Official execution figures from KGB archives speak of approximately 800,000 people executed during Stalin’s reign, or 30,000 people per year. United States could match this rate simply by executing all convicted murderers and rapists.
1920’s Soviet Union was largely a pre-industrial country, little to no machinery, low agriculture yields, etc. Outside Moscow and St. Petersburg, there were few doctors, literacy rate was well below 50%. (Also, did I mention 3-month summers and 6-month winters?) Famines were not uncommon. Stalin’s collectivization and industrialization program put an end to those famines.
If you think that letting large numbers of your citizens die qualifies as “collectivism”, go and read up on Ireland in 1845-49, and then let’s discuss why 19th century UK was a collectivist state.[/quote]
Esmith,
Stalin has always been accused of killing millions. I saw it claimed again in a history presentation on his life a couple of weeks ago on the history channel.
Stalin was the most evil man of the 20th century. You would have to back to Vlad the Impaler to find a worst person.
Why do you believe the KGB files? What leader post Stalin would want an offical record of millions dying??
Collectism letting millions die shows that Collectism as a social order doesn’t work.
John
Participant[quote=peterb]SOme great insight to this is to check out how many home builders there were in 1989 and then again in 1995! And that down cycle was like a cub scout meeting compared to what we’re in now!![/quote]
I worked for a large home builder in the early 80’s and I built 9 spec houses in Atlanta in 1987.
You can always make money building new houses if you can get the land cheap enough and you build cheap enough houses.
An important metric to consider is not so much how resales are behaving but how the raw land values are holding up.
Anyone have any idea where to find those numbers???
John
Participant[quote=peterb]SOme great insight to this is to check out how many home builders there were in 1989 and then again in 1995! And that down cycle was like a cub scout meeting compared to what we’re in now!![/quote]
I worked for a large home builder in the early 80’s and I built 9 spec houses in Atlanta in 1987.
You can always make money building new houses if you can get the land cheap enough and you build cheap enough houses.
An important metric to consider is not so much how resales are behaving but how the raw land values are holding up.
Anyone have any idea where to find those numbers???
John
Participant[quote=peterb]SOme great insight to this is to check out how many home builders there were in 1989 and then again in 1995! And that down cycle was like a cub scout meeting compared to what we’re in now!![/quote]
I worked for a large home builder in the early 80’s and I built 9 spec houses in Atlanta in 1987.
You can always make money building new houses if you can get the land cheap enough and you build cheap enough houses.
An important metric to consider is not so much how resales are behaving but how the raw land values are holding up.
Anyone have any idea where to find those numbers???
John
Participant[quote=peterb]SOme great insight to this is to check out how many home builders there were in 1989 and then again in 1995! And that down cycle was like a cub scout meeting compared to what we’re in now!![/quote]
I worked for a large home builder in the early 80’s and I built 9 spec houses in Atlanta in 1987.
You can always make money building new houses if you can get the land cheap enough and you build cheap enough houses.
An important metric to consider is not so much how resales are behaving but how the raw land values are holding up.
Anyone have any idea where to find those numbers???
John
Participant[quote=peterb]SOme great insight to this is to check out how many home builders there were in 1989 and then again in 1995! And that down cycle was like a cub scout meeting compared to what we’re in now!![/quote]
I worked for a large home builder in the early 80’s and I built 9 spec houses in Atlanta in 1987.
You can always make money building new houses if you can get the land cheap enough and you build cheap enough houses.
An important metric to consider is not so much how resales are behaving but how the raw land values are holding up.
Anyone have any idea where to find those numbers???
John
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