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[quote=urbanrealtor]Almost every example of a country walking away from democracy in the modern era falls into one of two categories:

a) a country on a nationalist swing moving (on purpose) away from consultative institutions
(eg: Russia, Germany)

b) a relatively weak country who could be unduly influenced by outside power brokers
(eg: Peru, Argentina, Iran)

This means that any assertion that a president has the ability to steer a country away from democracy is a dubious one. Essentially, no matter how crazy Obama acts, there will be elections. If he acts especially crazy, he will lose much of the backing of congress. I think the lesson of 94 and 06 is that backing bad policy is political suicide. Most legislators went to enough college to understand that.

A more realistic fear for those on the right is that he makes moves that swing our country to the left. That is a real concern. We have seen that Europeans have adopted left leaning ways and then keep reelecting the governments that put them there. I think it is pretty likely that the public will end up liking a European style standard of living and model of healthcare.

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A nuke exploded in DC or NYC or both would end democracy as we know it.

Buffet claims its inevitable that it will happen one day. I can’t think of a better window of opportunity then under Obama.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=urbanrealtor]Almost every example of a country walking away from democracy in the modern era falls into one of two categories:

a) a country on a nationalist swing moving (on purpose) away from consultative institutions
(eg: Russia, Germany)

b) a relatively weak country who could be unduly influenced by outside power brokers
(eg: Peru, Argentina, Iran)

This means that any assertion that a president has the ability to steer a country away from democracy is a dubious one. Essentially, no matter how crazy Obama acts, there will be elections. If he acts especially crazy, he will lose much of the backing of congress. I think the lesson of 94 and 06 is that backing bad policy is political suicide. Most legislators went to enough college to understand that.

A more realistic fear for those on the right is that he makes moves that swing our country to the left. That is a real concern. We have seen that Europeans have adopted left leaning ways and then keep reelecting the governments that put them there. I think it is pretty likely that the public will end up liking a European style standard of living and model of healthcare.

[/quote]

A nuke exploded in DC or NYC or both would end democracy as we know it.

Buffet claims its inevitable that it will happen one day. I can’t think of a better window of opportunity then under Obama.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=urbanrealtor]Almost every example of a country walking away from democracy in the modern era falls into one of two categories:

a) a country on a nationalist swing moving (on purpose) away from consultative institutions
(eg: Russia, Germany)

b) a relatively weak country who could be unduly influenced by outside power brokers
(eg: Peru, Argentina, Iran)

This means that any assertion that a president has the ability to steer a country away from democracy is a dubious one. Essentially, no matter how crazy Obama acts, there will be elections. If he acts especially crazy, he will lose much of the backing of congress. I think the lesson of 94 and 06 is that backing bad policy is political suicide. Most legislators went to enough college to understand that.

A more realistic fear for those on the right is that he makes moves that swing our country to the left. That is a real concern. We have seen that Europeans have adopted left leaning ways and then keep reelecting the governments that put them there. I think it is pretty likely that the public will end up liking a European style standard of living and model of healthcare.

[/quote]

A nuke exploded in DC or NYC or both would end democracy as we know it.

Buffet claims its inevitable that it will happen one day. I can’t think of a better window of opportunity then under Obama.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=urbanrealtor]Almost every example of a country walking away from democracy in the modern era falls into one of two categories:

a) a country on a nationalist swing moving (on purpose) away from consultative institutions
(eg: Russia, Germany)

b) a relatively weak country who could be unduly influenced by outside power brokers
(eg: Peru, Argentina, Iran)

This means that any assertion that a president has the ability to steer a country away from democracy is a dubious one. Essentially, no matter how crazy Obama acts, there will be elections. If he acts especially crazy, he will lose much of the backing of congress. I think the lesson of 94 and 06 is that backing bad policy is political suicide. Most legislators went to enough college to understand that.

A more realistic fear for those on the right is that he makes moves that swing our country to the left. That is a real concern. We have seen that Europeans have adopted left leaning ways and then keep reelecting the governments that put them there. I think it is pretty likely that the public will end up liking a European style standard of living and model of healthcare.

[/quote]

A nuke exploded in DC or NYC or both would end democracy as we know it.

Buffet claims its inevitable that it will happen one day. I can’t think of a better window of opportunity then under Obama.

John

[jficquette]

[quote=urbanrealtor]Almost every example of a country walking away from democracy in the modern era falls into one of two categories:

a) a country on a nationalist swing moving (on purpose) away from consultative institutions
(eg: Russia, Germany)

b) a relatively weak country who could be unduly influenced by outside power brokers
(eg: Peru, Argentina, Iran)

This means that any assertion that a president has the ability to steer a country away from democracy is a dubious one. Essentially, no matter how crazy Obama acts, there will be elections. If he acts especially crazy, he will lose much of the backing of congress. I think the lesson of 94 and 06 is that backing bad policy is political suicide. Most legislators went to enough college to understand that.

A more realistic fear for those on the right is that he makes moves that swing our country to the left. That is a real concern. We have seen that Europeans have adopted left leaning ways and then keep reelecting the governments that put them there. I think it is pretty likely that the public will end up liking a European style standard of living and model of healthcare.

[/quote]

A nuke exploded in DC or NYC or both would end democracy as we know it.

Buffet claims its inevitable that it will happen one day. I can’t think of a better window of opportunity then under Obama.

John

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[quote=afx114]We’ve been through all of this before, yet John keeps coming back with the same tired arguments. John, you still haven’t backed up your own claim by stating that Obama is either an illegal alien or a naturalized citizen. Because if he’s not a natural born citizen like you claim, he has to be one of those two.

Obviously, if he was a naturalized citizen, records would be easily available from the INS and he would be disqualified as a presidential candidate. If follows then, that you believe Obama to be an illegal alien. We all know that it is impossible for an illegal alien to run for president. The INS would have shipped him back to wherever you claim he was born.

So please, for your own sanity, either provide proof that Obama is an illegal alien, or admit that your citizenship claims are nothing more than rotten old troll food and that you enjoy watching us get all worked up over this.

It’s ok, you’re allowed to admit that you’re wrong. You’ll be respected more for it.[/quote]

Afx, why don’t you just admit that you don’t care if he is eligible or not.

John

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_birth_certificate/2008/10/24/143882.html?s=al&promo_code=6E2D-1

[jficquette]

[quote=afx114]We’ve been through all of this before, yet John keeps coming back with the same tired arguments. John, you still haven’t backed up your own claim by stating that Obama is either an illegal alien or a naturalized citizen. Because if he’s not a natural born citizen like you claim, he has to be one of those two.

Obviously, if he was a naturalized citizen, records would be easily available from the INS and he would be disqualified as a presidential candidate. If follows then, that you believe Obama to be an illegal alien. We all know that it is impossible for an illegal alien to run for president. The INS would have shipped him back to wherever you claim he was born.

So please, for your own sanity, either provide proof that Obama is an illegal alien, or admit that your citizenship claims are nothing more than rotten old troll food and that you enjoy watching us get all worked up over this.

It’s ok, you’re allowed to admit that you’re wrong. You’ll be respected more for it.[/quote]

Afx, why don’t you just admit that you don’t care if he is eligible or not.

John

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_birth_certificate/2008/10/24/143882.html?s=al&promo_code=6E2D-1

[jficquette]

[quote=afx114]We’ve been through all of this before, yet John keeps coming back with the same tired arguments. John, you still haven’t backed up your own claim by stating that Obama is either an illegal alien or a naturalized citizen. Because if he’s not a natural born citizen like you claim, he has to be one of those two.

Obviously, if he was a naturalized citizen, records would be easily available from the INS and he would be disqualified as a presidential candidate. If follows then, that you believe Obama to be an illegal alien. We all know that it is impossible for an illegal alien to run for president. The INS would have shipped him back to wherever you claim he was born.

So please, for your own sanity, either provide proof that Obama is an illegal alien, or admit that your citizenship claims are nothing more than rotten old troll food and that you enjoy watching us get all worked up over this.

It’s ok, you’re allowed to admit that you’re wrong. You’ll be respected more for it.[/quote]

Afx, why don’t you just admit that you don’t care if he is eligible or not.

John

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_birth_certificate/2008/10/24/143882.html?s=al&promo_code=6E2D-1

[jficquette]

[quote=afx114]We’ve been through all of this before, yet John keeps coming back with the same tired arguments. John, you still haven’t backed up your own claim by stating that Obama is either an illegal alien or a naturalized citizen. Because if he’s not a natural born citizen like you claim, he has to be one of those two.

Obviously, if he was a naturalized citizen, records would be easily available from the INS and he would be disqualified as a presidential candidate. If follows then, that you believe Obama to be an illegal alien. We all know that it is impossible for an illegal alien to run for president. The INS would have shipped him back to wherever you claim he was born.

So please, for your own sanity, either provide proof that Obama is an illegal alien, or admit that your citizenship claims are nothing more than rotten old troll food and that you enjoy watching us get all worked up over this.

It’s ok, you’re allowed to admit that you’re wrong. You’ll be respected more for it.[/quote]

Afx, why don’t you just admit that you don’t care if he is eligible or not.

John

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_birth_certificate/2008/10/24/143882.html?s=al&promo_code=6E2D-1

[jficquette]

[quote=afx114]We’ve been through all of this before, yet John keeps coming back with the same tired arguments. John, you still haven’t backed up your own claim by stating that Obama is either an illegal alien or a naturalized citizen. Because if he’s not a natural born citizen like you claim, he has to be one of those two.

Obviously, if he was a naturalized citizen, records would be easily available from the INS and he would be disqualified as a presidential candidate. If follows then, that you believe Obama to be an illegal alien. We all know that it is impossible for an illegal alien to run for president. The INS would have shipped him back to wherever you claim he was born.

So please, for your own sanity, either provide proof that Obama is an illegal alien, or admit that your citizenship claims are nothing more than rotten old troll food and that you enjoy watching us get all worked up over this.

It’s ok, you’re allowed to admit that you’re wrong. You’ll be respected more for it.[/quote]

Afx, why don’t you just admit that you don’t care if he is eligible or not.

John

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_birth_certificate/2008/10/24/143882.html?s=al&promo_code=6E2D-1

[jficquette]

[quote=urbanrealtor]dude i spent month in india.

not once did i see pants like that.

you know i would have bough some. [/quote]

LOL

[jficquette]

[quote=urbanrealtor]dude i spent month in india.

not once did i see pants like that.

you know i would have bough some. [/quote]

LOL

[jficquette]

[quote=urbanrealtor]dude i spent month in india.

not once did i see pants like that.

you know i would have bough some. [/quote]

LOL

[jficquette]

[quote=urbanrealtor]dude i spent month in india.

not once did i see pants like that.

you know i would have bough some. [/quote]

LOL

[jficquette]

[quote=urbanrealtor]dude i spent month in india.

not once did i see pants like that.

you know i would have bough some. [/quote]

LOL

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