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ParticipantI think you have all made great suggestions to help this lady. And some very good observations were made here.
One added observation:
“There but for the grace of God go I.”
“Some of the best laid plans of Mice and Men often go awry.”
– John Steinbeck, Of Mice and Men
– Robert Burns, To a MouseBelieve me, those of you in your twenties and thirties, you will learn the meaning of these expressions at some point in your lives. Misfortune comes to those who plan and to those who don’t plan. You will see it happen to some of your friends, family and relatives over the course of time. Maybe it won’t happen to you. But believe me, if you can try to understand that it could happen to you, through no fault of your own, then you will be a wiser and humbler person than you are now.
How you deal with your misfortunes and your losses both personal and financial will truly be your defining moments.
ParticipantI think you have all made great suggestions to help this lady. And some very good observations were made here.
One added observation:
“There but for the grace of God go I.”
“Some of the best laid plans of Mice and Men often go awry.”
– John Steinbeck, Of Mice and Men
– Robert Burns, To a MouseBelieve me, those of you in your twenties and thirties, you will learn the meaning of these expressions at some point in your lives. Misfortune comes to those who plan and to those who don’t plan. You will see it happen to some of your friends, family and relatives over the course of time. Maybe it won’t happen to you. But believe me, if you can try to understand that it could happen to you, through no fault of your own, then you will be a wiser and humbler person than you are now.
How you deal with your misfortunes and your losses both personal and financial will truly be your defining moments.
ParticipantI think you have all made great suggestions to help this lady. And some very good observations were made here.
One added observation:
“There but for the grace of God go I.”
“Some of the best laid plans of Mice and Men often go awry.”
– John Steinbeck, Of Mice and Men
– Robert Burns, To a MouseBelieve me, those of you in your twenties and thirties, you will learn the meaning of these expressions at some point in your lives. Misfortune comes to those who plan and to those who don’t plan. You will see it happen to some of your friends, family and relatives over the course of time. Maybe it won’t happen to you. But believe me, if you can try to understand that it could happen to you, through no fault of your own, then you will be a wiser and humbler person than you are now.
How you deal with your misfortunes and your losses both personal and financial will truly be your defining moments.
ParticipantI think you have all made great suggestions to help this lady. And some very good observations were made here.
One added observation:
“There but for the grace of God go I.”
“Some of the best laid plans of Mice and Men often go awry.”
– John Steinbeck, Of Mice and Men
– Robert Burns, To a MouseBelieve me, those of you in your twenties and thirties, you will learn the meaning of these expressions at some point in your lives. Misfortune comes to those who plan and to those who don’t plan. You will see it happen to some of your friends, family and relatives over the course of time. Maybe it won’t happen to you. But believe me, if you can try to understand that it could happen to you, through no fault of your own, then you will be a wiser and humbler person than you are now.
How you deal with your misfortunes and your losses both personal and financial will truly be your defining moments.
ParticipantI think you have all made great suggestions to help this lady. And some very good observations were made here.
One added observation:
“There but for the grace of God go I.”
“Some of the best laid plans of Mice and Men often go awry.”
– John Steinbeck, Of Mice and Men
– Robert Burns, To a MouseBelieve me, those of you in your twenties and thirties, you will learn the meaning of these expressions at some point in your lives. Misfortune comes to those who plan and to those who don’t plan. You will see it happen to some of your friends, family and relatives over the course of time. Maybe it won’t happen to you. But believe me, if you can try to understand that it could happen to you, through no fault of your own, then you will be a wiser and humbler person than you are now.
How you deal with your misfortunes and your losses both personal and financial will truly be your defining moments.
ParticipantPart of my emotional struggles with this topic is because of experiences I have had. First I am not gay and have never wanted to try being with another man. My experiences are:
1. I have had male friends who are homosexual.
2. I have worked professionally with homosexual men (and possibly women but they didn’t let it be known.)
3. I used to work on a hotline (non-denominational) for 2 to 3 years in my early twenties. One night I had a call from a young teen-age male. He was crying and extremely upset. I waited for him to calm down. He said that he didn’t have a mom and that his older teen-age brother was molesting him and that his dad was somehow involved. It was one of the worst calls I ever had and I wasn’t able to do anything about it.
4. During my twenties I went with a bi-sexual female I was dating to a gay dance bar one night and then another night to a lesbian bar – which was more fun for me to watch 🙂 Anyway, at the lesbian bar I met this young woman and we talked for a long while. She told me that she wished she had never experimented with being a lesbian. She regretted it.
5. I personally wonder why is it that a male-male or a female-female couple will usually/almost always have one partner who appears to be the traditional “male” role and the other partner who appears to be the traditional “female” role?All that being said, I do believe that the human brain can be physiologically different from one human to the next. And I do believe that our sexuality is part of our brain functions. Therefore, I believe, sexual choice/attraction/whateveryouwanttocallit can also be less of a choice by some – not 100% all – people just as it is less of a choice to be left handed rather than right handed.
One other experience – not that mine matter 🙂 – but when I was in high school one of my friends – he was bout 15 at the time – pulled up his shirt and showed us half circle cuts on his chest. He told us – I don’t know why but we were all close friends – that he has begun to grow breasts and that he had surgery to have them removed. We all just said wow that’s weird and then we went out and partied that night 🙂 But that is also one of the experiences I have had which has led me to believe that human beings do not have control over their bodies and if I extrapolate that experience then human beings (some) do not have a choice in their sexuality either.
ParticipantPart of my emotional struggles with this topic is because of experiences I have had. First I am not gay and have never wanted to try being with another man. My experiences are:
1. I have had male friends who are homosexual.
2. I have worked professionally with homosexual men (and possibly women but they didn’t let it be known.)
3. I used to work on a hotline (non-denominational) for 2 to 3 years in my early twenties. One night I had a call from a young teen-age male. He was crying and extremely upset. I waited for him to calm down. He said that he didn’t have a mom and that his older teen-age brother was molesting him and that his dad was somehow involved. It was one of the worst calls I ever had and I wasn’t able to do anything about it.
4. During my twenties I went with a bi-sexual female I was dating to a gay dance bar one night and then another night to a lesbian bar – which was more fun for me to watch 🙂 Anyway, at the lesbian bar I met this young woman and we talked for a long while. She told me that she wished she had never experimented with being a lesbian. She regretted it.
5. I personally wonder why is it that a male-male or a female-female couple will usually/almost always have one partner who appears to be the traditional “male” role and the other partner who appears to be the traditional “female” role?All that being said, I do believe that the human brain can be physiologically different from one human to the next. And I do believe that our sexuality is part of our brain functions. Therefore, I believe, sexual choice/attraction/whateveryouwanttocallit can also be less of a choice by some – not 100% all – people just as it is less of a choice to be left handed rather than right handed.
One other experience – not that mine matter 🙂 – but when I was in high school one of my friends – he was bout 15 at the time – pulled up his shirt and showed us half circle cuts on his chest. He told us – I don’t know why but we were all close friends – that he has begun to grow breasts and that he had surgery to have them removed. We all just said wow that’s weird and then we went out and partied that night 🙂 But that is also one of the experiences I have had which has led me to believe that human beings do not have control over their bodies and if I extrapolate that experience then human beings (some) do not have a choice in their sexuality either.
ParticipantPart of my emotional struggles with this topic is because of experiences I have had. First I am not gay and have never wanted to try being with another man. My experiences are:
1. I have had male friends who are homosexual.
2. I have worked professionally with homosexual men (and possibly women but they didn’t let it be known.)
3. I used to work on a hotline (non-denominational) for 2 to 3 years in my early twenties. One night I had a call from a young teen-age male. He was crying and extremely upset. I waited for him to calm down. He said that he didn’t have a mom and that his older teen-age brother was molesting him and that his dad was somehow involved. It was one of the worst calls I ever had and I wasn’t able to do anything about it.
4. During my twenties I went with a bi-sexual female I was dating to a gay dance bar one night and then another night to a lesbian bar – which was more fun for me to watch 🙂 Anyway, at the lesbian bar I met this young woman and we talked for a long while. She told me that she wished she had never experimented with being a lesbian. She regretted it.
5. I personally wonder why is it that a male-male or a female-female couple will usually/almost always have one partner who appears to be the traditional “male” role and the other partner who appears to be the traditional “female” role?All that being said, I do believe that the human brain can be physiologically different from one human to the next. And I do believe that our sexuality is part of our brain functions. Therefore, I believe, sexual choice/attraction/whateveryouwanttocallit can also be less of a choice by some – not 100% all – people just as it is less of a choice to be left handed rather than right handed.
One other experience – not that mine matter 🙂 – but when I was in high school one of my friends – he was bout 15 at the time – pulled up his shirt and showed us half circle cuts on his chest. He told us – I don’t know why but we were all close friends – that he has begun to grow breasts and that he had surgery to have them removed. We all just said wow that’s weird and then we went out and partied that night 🙂 But that is also one of the experiences I have had which has led me to believe that human beings do not have control over their bodies and if I extrapolate that experience then human beings (some) do not have a choice in their sexuality either.
ParticipantPart of my emotional struggles with this topic is because of experiences I have had. First I am not gay and have never wanted to try being with another man. My experiences are:
1. I have had male friends who are homosexual.
2. I have worked professionally with homosexual men (and possibly women but they didn’t let it be known.)
3. I used to work on a hotline (non-denominational) for 2 to 3 years in my early twenties. One night I had a call from a young teen-age male. He was crying and extremely upset. I waited for him to calm down. He said that he didn’t have a mom and that his older teen-age brother was molesting him and that his dad was somehow involved. It was one of the worst calls I ever had and I wasn’t able to do anything about it.
4. During my twenties I went with a bi-sexual female I was dating to a gay dance bar one night and then another night to a lesbian bar – which was more fun for me to watch 🙂 Anyway, at the lesbian bar I met this young woman and we talked for a long while. She told me that she wished she had never experimented with being a lesbian. She regretted it.
5. I personally wonder why is it that a male-male or a female-female couple will usually/almost always have one partner who appears to be the traditional “male” role and the other partner who appears to be the traditional “female” role?All that being said, I do believe that the human brain can be physiologically different from one human to the next. And I do believe that our sexuality is part of our brain functions. Therefore, I believe, sexual choice/attraction/whateveryouwanttocallit can also be less of a choice by some – not 100% all – people just as it is less of a choice to be left handed rather than right handed.
One other experience – not that mine matter 🙂 – but when I was in high school one of my friends – he was bout 15 at the time – pulled up his shirt and showed us half circle cuts on his chest. He told us – I don’t know why but we were all close friends – that he has begun to grow breasts and that he had surgery to have them removed. We all just said wow that’s weird and then we went out and partied that night 🙂 But that is also one of the experiences I have had which has led me to believe that human beings do not have control over their bodies and if I extrapolate that experience then human beings (some) do not have a choice in their sexuality either.
ParticipantPart of my emotional struggles with this topic is because of experiences I have had. First I am not gay and have never wanted to try being with another man. My experiences are:
1. I have had male friends who are homosexual.
2. I have worked professionally with homosexual men (and possibly women but they didn’t let it be known.)
3. I used to work on a hotline (non-denominational) for 2 to 3 years in my early twenties. One night I had a call from a young teen-age male. He was crying and extremely upset. I waited for him to calm down. He said that he didn’t have a mom and that his older teen-age brother was molesting him and that his dad was somehow involved. It was one of the worst calls I ever had and I wasn’t able to do anything about it.
4. During my twenties I went with a bi-sexual female I was dating to a gay dance bar one night and then another night to a lesbian bar – which was more fun for me to watch 🙂 Anyway, at the lesbian bar I met this young woman and we talked for a long while. She told me that she wished she had never experimented with being a lesbian. She regretted it.
5. I personally wonder why is it that a male-male or a female-female couple will usually/almost always have one partner who appears to be the traditional “male” role and the other partner who appears to be the traditional “female” role?All that being said, I do believe that the human brain can be physiologically different from one human to the next. And I do believe that our sexuality is part of our brain functions. Therefore, I believe, sexual choice/attraction/whateveryouwanttocallit can also be less of a choice by some – not 100% all – people just as it is less of a choice to be left handed rather than right handed.
One other experience – not that mine matter 🙂 – but when I was in high school one of my friends – he was bout 15 at the time – pulled up his shirt and showed us half circle cuts on his chest. He told us – I don’t know why but we were all close friends – that he has begun to grow breasts and that he had surgery to have them removed. We all just said wow that’s weird and then we went out and partied that night 🙂 But that is also one of the experiences I have had which has led me to believe that human beings do not have control over their bodies and if I extrapolate that experience then human beings (some) do not have a choice in their sexuality either.
ParticipantRustico, I knew that was coming. What can I say 🙂
Actually, I found out the hard way – our minivan was supposed to get smog checked earlier this year and it didn’t pass. So I took it to our local dealer and they wanted to charge about $1400 to fix everything. They said I’d need: a valve replacement kit, an Intake Manifold (IMRC) kit and a tune-up. I took it back to the Precision Tune Auto Care and they did all the repairs for just under a $1000.
I had thought about just making greater than $450 in repairs and then taking the car to a Referee smog station to see if I could get the other $550 in repairs delayed for two years just to save some money. But my wife was tired of seeing the Check Engine light constantly on for the past year and a half – it never affected performance, at least not that we could tell. So I finally got that fixed. Oh yeah, we did drive around for a month or so with the number “4” on the windshield – that went over real well with my wife :)))
ParticipantRustico, I knew that was coming. What can I say 🙂
Actually, I found out the hard way – our minivan was supposed to get smog checked earlier this year and it didn’t pass. So I took it to our local dealer and they wanted to charge about $1400 to fix everything. They said I’d need: a valve replacement kit, an Intake Manifold (IMRC) kit and a tune-up. I took it back to the Precision Tune Auto Care and they did all the repairs for just under a $1000.
I had thought about just making greater than $450 in repairs and then taking the car to a Referee smog station to see if I could get the other $550 in repairs delayed for two years just to save some money. But my wife was tired of seeing the Check Engine light constantly on for the past year and a half – it never affected performance, at least not that we could tell. So I finally got that fixed. Oh yeah, we did drive around for a month or so with the number “4” on the windshield – that went over real well with my wife :)))
ParticipantRustico, I knew that was coming. What can I say 🙂
Actually, I found out the hard way – our minivan was supposed to get smog checked earlier this year and it didn’t pass. So I took it to our local dealer and they wanted to charge about $1400 to fix everything. They said I’d need: a valve replacement kit, an Intake Manifold (IMRC) kit and a tune-up. I took it back to the Precision Tune Auto Care and they did all the repairs for just under a $1000.
I had thought about just making greater than $450 in repairs and then taking the car to a Referee smog station to see if I could get the other $550 in repairs delayed for two years just to save some money. But my wife was tired of seeing the Check Engine light constantly on for the past year and a half – it never affected performance, at least not that we could tell. So I finally got that fixed. Oh yeah, we did drive around for a month or so with the number “4” on the windshield – that went over real well with my wife :)))
ParticipantRustico, I knew that was coming. What can I say 🙂
Actually, I found out the hard way – our minivan was supposed to get smog checked earlier this year and it didn’t pass. So I took it to our local dealer and they wanted to charge about $1400 to fix everything. They said I’d need: a valve replacement kit, an Intake Manifold (IMRC) kit and a tune-up. I took it back to the Precision Tune Auto Care and they did all the repairs for just under a $1000.
I had thought about just making greater than $450 in repairs and then taking the car to a Referee smog station to see if I could get the other $550 in repairs delayed for two years just to save some money. But my wife was tired of seeing the Check Engine light constantly on for the past year and a half – it never affected performance, at least not that we could tell. So I finally got that fixed. Oh yeah, we did drive around for a month or so with the number “4” on the windshield – that went over real well with my wife :)))
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