[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

The abortion issue is extremely polarizing. Prop 4 was a lightning rod for this issue.

Putting aside the specifics of prop 4 for the moment …
I want to know why our children cannot go on a field trip without permission, but can elect to have one or more medical procedures performed on them.

Would someone please tell me what medical procedures our minor children can have performed on them without parental consent under current law ?

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

The abortion issue is extremely polarizing. Prop 4 was a lightning rod for this issue.

Putting aside the specifics of prop 4 for the moment …
I want to know why our children cannot go on a field trip without permission, but can elect to have one or more medical procedures performed on them.

Would someone please tell me what medical procedures our minor children can have performed on them without parental consent under current law ?

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

Enorah. I agree with you 100% that we do not have a system in place to handle the needs of abused children. Nobody can deny that child abuse and neglect is a horrific problem in our society. That is exactly why it was used as a red herring to get people to defeat prop 4.

But, what makes you think that lack of parental notification improves the lives of those who are abused ?

I contend that defeat of prop 4 does nothing to protect our youth from abuse. I also contend that passage of prop 4 also would do nothing to protect our youth from abuse.

Parental notification will not turn a non-abusive household into an abusive one.

Abusive and violent people DO NOT NEED AN EXCUSE to be violent or abusive. An abusive person abuses their victim regardless.

Presuming that parental notification gives abusers an excuse to abuse their child is naive.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

Enorah. I agree with you 100% that we do not have a system in place to handle the needs of abused children. Nobody can deny that child abuse and neglect is a horrific problem in our society. That is exactly why it was used as a red herring to get people to defeat prop 4.

But, what makes you think that lack of parental notification improves the lives of those who are abused ?

I contend that defeat of prop 4 does nothing to protect our youth from abuse. I also contend that passage of prop 4 also would do nothing to protect our youth from abuse.

Parental notification will not turn a non-abusive household into an abusive one.

Abusive and violent people DO NOT NEED AN EXCUSE to be violent or abusive. An abusive person abuses their victim regardless.

Presuming that parental notification gives abusers an excuse to abuse their child is naive.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

Enorah. I agree with you 100% that we do not have a system in place to handle the needs of abused children. Nobody can deny that child abuse and neglect is a horrific problem in our society. That is exactly why it was used as a red herring to get people to defeat prop 4.

But, what makes you think that lack of parental notification improves the lives of those who are abused ?

I contend that defeat of prop 4 does nothing to protect our youth from abuse. I also contend that passage of prop 4 also would do nothing to protect our youth from abuse.

Parental notification will not turn a non-abusive household into an abusive one.

Abusive and violent people DO NOT NEED AN EXCUSE to be violent or abusive. An abusive person abuses their victim regardless.

Presuming that parental notification gives abusers an excuse to abuse their child is naive.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

Enorah. I agree with you 100% that we do not have a system in place to handle the needs of abused children. Nobody can deny that child abuse and neglect is a horrific problem in our society. That is exactly why it was used as a red herring to get people to defeat prop 4.

But, what makes you think that lack of parental notification improves the lives of those who are abused ?

I contend that defeat of prop 4 does nothing to protect our youth from abuse. I also contend that passage of prop 4 also would do nothing to protect our youth from abuse.

Parental notification will not turn a non-abusive household into an abusive one.

Abusive and violent people DO NOT NEED AN EXCUSE to be violent or abusive. An abusive person abuses their victim regardless.

Presuming that parental notification gives abusers an excuse to abuse their child is naive.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

Enorah. I agree with you 100% that we do not have a system in place to handle the needs of abused children. Nobody can deny that child abuse and neglect is a horrific problem in our society. That is exactly why it was used as a red herring to get people to defeat prop 4.

But, what makes you think that lack of parental notification improves the lives of those who are abused ?

I contend that defeat of prop 4 does nothing to protect our youth from abuse. I also contend that passage of prop 4 also would do nothing to protect our youth from abuse.

Parental notification will not turn a non-abusive household into an abusive one.

Abusive and violent people DO NOT NEED AN EXCUSE to be violent or abusive. An abusive person abuses their victim regardless.

Presuming that parental notification gives abusers an excuse to abuse their child is naive.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

But apparently the fact I have not chosen to procrate yet makes this all moot.

That was not what I intended by my post. WRT the poopy pants argument, I was simply reacting to the notion of … “So (insert daughters namer here), I have noticed that you seem troubled, is anything wrong?”

… totally elective surgery for the totally vain than address the point that some teenagers face death or atleast extream physical or emotional violence from the passage of prop 4.

As for vain elective surgeries that was just one example I could come up with. Please provide me a list of elective surgeries that minors should be able to receive without parental consent or notification in your ideal world.

There are plenty of teens who face violence in the household, regardless of Prop 4. Defeat of Prop 4 does not help them.

In fact by knowing that their abusive parents might be notified, that might be enough incentive to push these children to seek help.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

But apparently the fact I have not chosen to procrate yet makes this all moot.

That was not what I intended by my post. WRT the poopy pants argument, I was simply reacting to the notion of … “So (insert daughters namer here), I have noticed that you seem troubled, is anything wrong?”

… totally elective surgery for the totally vain than address the point that some teenagers face death or atleast extream physical or emotional violence from the passage of prop 4.

As for vain elective surgeries that was just one example I could come up with. Please provide me a list of elective surgeries that minors should be able to receive without parental consent or notification in your ideal world.

There are plenty of teens who face violence in the household, regardless of Prop 4. Defeat of Prop 4 does not help them.

In fact by knowing that their abusive parents might be notified, that might be enough incentive to push these children to seek help.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

But apparently the fact I have not chosen to procrate yet makes this all moot.

That was not what I intended by my post. WRT the poopy pants argument, I was simply reacting to the notion of … “So (insert daughters namer here), I have noticed that you seem troubled, is anything wrong?”

… totally elective surgery for the totally vain than address the point that some teenagers face death or atleast extream physical or emotional violence from the passage of prop 4.

As for vain elective surgeries that was just one example I could come up with. Please provide me a list of elective surgeries that minors should be able to receive without parental consent or notification in your ideal world.

There are plenty of teens who face violence in the household, regardless of Prop 4. Defeat of Prop 4 does not help them.

In fact by knowing that their abusive parents might be notified, that might be enough incentive to push these children to seek help.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

But apparently the fact I have not chosen to procrate yet makes this all moot.

That was not what I intended by my post. WRT the poopy pants argument, I was simply reacting to the notion of … “So (insert daughters namer here), I have noticed that you seem troubled, is anything wrong?”

… totally elective surgery for the totally vain than address the point that some teenagers face death or atleast extream physical or emotional violence from the passage of prop 4.

As for vain elective surgeries that was just one example I could come up with. Please provide me a list of elective surgeries that minors should be able to receive without parental consent or notification in your ideal world.

There are plenty of teens who face violence in the household, regardless of Prop 4. Defeat of Prop 4 does not help them.

In fact by knowing that their abusive parents might be notified, that might be enough incentive to push these children to seek help.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

But apparently the fact I have not chosen to procrate yet makes this all moot.

That was not what I intended by my post. WRT the poopy pants argument, I was simply reacting to the notion of … “So (insert daughters namer here), I have noticed that you seem troubled, is anything wrong?”

… totally elective surgery for the totally vain than address the point that some teenagers face death or atleast extream physical or emotional violence from the passage of prop 4.

As for vain elective surgeries that was just one example I could come up with. Please provide me a list of elective surgeries that minors should be able to receive without parental consent or notification in your ideal world.

There are plenty of teens who face violence in the household, regardless of Prop 4. Defeat of Prop 4 does not help them.

In fact by knowing that their abusive parents might be notified, that might be enough incentive to push these children to seek help.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

[quote=Enorah]This law protects children who lives in homes where they are being abused – sexually, verbally, physically, etc.

If your parents are beating the crap out of you and you get pregnant, what do you think they are going to do when you tell them you are pregnant? Take your hand, give you a hug, and counsel you?
[/quote]

Huh ?

What about all those children who are in abusive households who are not pregnant ?
How are we going to protect them.

My point is that their are laws to protect children from abuse. A child in an abusive household should seek protection from authorities or a trusted relative, whether or not they are pregnant.

The proposition that was defeated has nothing to do with abuse. That argument was simply a red herring argument to get your vote.

The proposition sought to provide parental notification in the case where minors sought a specific elective medical procedure.

The problem is that the type of specific medical procedure is one that incites extreme emotions from both sides.

Personally, I do not believe that minors under a certain age (we can argue whether it is 14, 16 or 18) should be able to obtain any elective medical procedure without parental consent.

Are there other non-emergency medical procedures that can be performed on minors without parental consent ?

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

[quote=Enorah]This law protects children who lives in homes where they are being abused – sexually, verbally, physically, etc.

If your parents are beating the crap out of you and you get pregnant, what do you think they are going to do when you tell them you are pregnant? Take your hand, give you a hug, and counsel you?
[/quote]

Huh ?

What about all those children who are in abusive households who are not pregnant ?
How are we going to protect them.

My point is that their are laws to protect children from abuse. A child in an abusive household should seek protection from authorities or a trusted relative, whether or not they are pregnant.

The proposition that was defeated has nothing to do with abuse. That argument was simply a red herring argument to get your vote.

The proposition sought to provide parental notification in the case where minors sought a specific elective medical procedure.

The problem is that the type of specific medical procedure is one that incites extreme emotions from both sides.

Personally, I do not believe that minors under a certain age (we can argue whether it is 14, 16 or 18) should be able to obtain any elective medical procedure without parental consent.

Are there other non-emergency medical procedures that can be performed on minors without parental consent ?

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

[quote=Enorah]This law protects children who lives in homes where they are being abused – sexually, verbally, physically, etc.

If your parents are beating the crap out of you and you get pregnant, what do you think they are going to do when you tell them you are pregnant? Take your hand, give you a hug, and counsel you?
[/quote]

Huh ?

What about all those children who are in abusive households who are not pregnant ?
How are we going to protect them.

My point is that their are laws to protect children from abuse. A child in an abusive household should seek protection from authorities or a trusted relative, whether or not they are pregnant.

The proposition that was defeated has nothing to do with abuse. That argument was simply a red herring argument to get your vote.

The proposition sought to provide parental notification in the case where minors sought a specific elective medical procedure.

The problem is that the type of specific medical procedure is one that incites extreme emotions from both sides.

Personally, I do not believe that minors under a certain age (we can argue whether it is 14, 16 or 18) should be able to obtain any elective medical procedure without parental consent.

Are there other non-emergency medical procedures that can be performed on minors without parental consent ?

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