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[quote=flu][quote=Ren]Oil isn’t an issue. In fact, if we do run out of it, it will be at a time when it doesn’t matter. There will be no energy deficit. Hundreds of companies are pouring Billions of dollars into alternative energy and materials for everything from cars to home heating to tupperware. If you can build any substance molecule by molecule, power an engine with pure water, and store large amounts of sun/wind-produced electrical energy for years, where is the need for oil?[/quote]

I think the entire concern about oil is overblown….To bring about change, it needs to be consumer pushed. If if companies create viable altenatives, consumers aren’t going to adopt it unless it

1) at least has identical performance to the existing thing
2) it costs the same or less.

So either

1) companies need to figure out how to make these altenative “green” things as cheap as non-green and perform as well

…or
…
2) the cost of non-green things need to dramatically go up…

Companies have the ability to create 60mpg cars right now if they wanted to. Put a 2 cylinder engine, that cant go faster than 60mph, and remove a bunch of safety equipment. BUT, consumers would not buy it in the majority anyway. So what the company ends up doing is expending a bunch of resources producing “green” stuff that people don’t buy/use.

Now, I bet if all the sudden gas prices are $5-10/gallon, well then consumers will be demanding for alternative fuel products in the majority. So if we run out of gas. Great, at that point it will be prohibitively expensive, so that alternative fuels would be a viable solution at that time.

(Polution is another subject, but that’s not the point of this thread)[/quote]
It’s not a single choice between no safety and 60mpg and 60mph. Horsepower has gone up significantly in last 10-15 years in typical sedan while mileage has stayed same or even gone up! I’m sure you can pull up the stats. If gas prices go back to $5/gallon, then consumers will demand that future efficiency (over say 170HP for simple sedan) increase be transferred to mileage instead of horsepower. Knew some big guys who carpooled in Geo Metro from early 90’s with 3 cylinder engine with nearly 50mpg. Just don’t let anything hit you.

The greatest threat to auto safety besides the tyrannical DUI drivers is texting, game playing on that phone by teenagers. What we need is a tough new driving test similar to those in European countries. Flu, I bet you could come up with some ideas. What about taking written test on ipad while parallel parking? My only driving experience over there was in Madrid. Wow, that was tough cause I couldn’t figure out to put car in reverse with the manual stick. Had to stop at a gas station with someone who showed me the slider on gear that you had to pull up. He probably shaked his head, “American”. Got lost from Airport to hotel, but luckily on Sunday morning with no traffic, otherwise I would just returned to the Airport following signs!

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[quote=CA renter][quote=flu]Ok. My head is spinning. I guess the other question I have is. If what we really need is some sort of minimum universal health coverage then why the hell is everything still going through insurance companies???[/quote]

Good question.[/quote]
Simple fact to all questions on policy is that lobbyists wrote the bills and legally paid the Congress to pass the bills. Not hyberbole, c’est la vie.

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[quote=CA renter][quote=flu]Ok. My head is spinning. I guess the other question I have is. If what we really need is some sort of minimum universal health coverage then why the hell is everything still going through insurance companies???[/quote]

Good question.[/quote]
Simple fact to all questions on policy is that lobbyists wrote the bills and legally paid the Congress to pass the bills. Not hyberbole, c’est la vie.

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[quote=CA renter][quote=flu]Ok. My head is spinning. I guess the other question I have is. If what we really need is some sort of minimum universal health coverage then why the hell is everything still going through insurance companies???[/quote]

Good question.[/quote]
Simple fact to all questions on policy is that lobbyists wrote the bills and legally paid the Congress to pass the bills. Not hyberbole, c’est la vie.

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[quote=CA renter][quote=flu]Ok. My head is spinning. I guess the other question I have is. If what we really need is some sort of minimum universal health coverage then why the hell is everything still going through insurance companies???[/quote]

Good question.[/quote]
Simple fact to all questions on policy is that lobbyists wrote the bills and legally paid the Congress to pass the bills. Not hyberbole, c’est la vie.

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[quote=CA renter][quote=flu]Ok. My head is spinning. I guess the other question I have is. If what we really need is some sort of minimum universal health coverage then why the hell is everything still going through insurance companies???[/quote]

Good question.[/quote]
Simple fact to all questions on policy is that lobbyists wrote the bills and legally paid the Congress to pass the bills. Not hyberbole, c’est la vie.

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[quote=sdduuuude]
To force people into a certain way of action because you think that is the way it should be is basically a totalitarian approach that never works, and invariably results in unexpected side-affects that screw up your original intentions or create worse problems. This idea is “Control Freaks Gone Wild.” Who is to say you are the guy to decide ? Why 60 mph ? Why not 1000? Why not 10?

Maybe we should restrict all art projects to 1 gallon of paint. That is about as smart.

The original poster’s user name should be “BigGovernmentIsGoodButOnlyIfTheBig
GovernmentForcesPeopleToDoWhatIWantThemTo” and I would like to suggest China as a new home for you.

Just let people buy the car they want and deal with what happens. The market may not go the way you want it to. Tough crap. This ain’t Burger King – you can’t always have it your way.[/quote]
“totalitarian approach that never works”- Really?

Although flu knows I hide out in a bunker with my xenophobic buddies listening to Buchanan and Art Bell, I did manage to sneak out to Singapore [why yes, twice last year]. They control everything including chewing gum, engine size, etc. It pains me to say this but their economy is a vibrant free market with strict dictatorship control. It worked so well that Chinese copied their economic model in the 70’s and look at China now – a totalitarian approach that seems to have growth.

Wait, you want democracy? Maybe it’s highly overrated. Just go over to India and look what that freedom brought – infrastructure that is 50 years behind USA. India could have been better off in many ways with a Chinese style Govt in order to get infrastructure built. Know it all investor Jim Roger says India won’t last another 30 years.

Heck, if we moved the **&&$ and their lobbyist friends from the Beltway to San Quentin and put in a couple of smart dictators like flu and sduude for 10 years, what would happen? We would have projects with real merit built in a few years – We would have nuclear plants, all the roads would be paved in a few years cutting massive pollution, all the laws schools would be turned into prisons, etc. Now a few insects may be hurt without the 15 year lawsuits stopping the I-56, but that only benefited fat landowners like me who want to keep out the riff-raff. Oh wait, we don’t want that! I think I see endangered insect on the I-15, I should be able to stop that noise for 5 years with my injunction tomorrow.

BTW, flu says job growth in USA is over and fat sloths like must be drinking too much Pabst BR if we think USA can still control world economy in the future or enjoy great standard of living.
The Forbes author concludes with “[W]hat the United States must do is clear: it must strengthen its educational and economic foundations and foster the innovation that will keep the United Staes ahead in the technology that underpins so many parts of the nation’s culture and the global economy”. I say don’t worry mon, we’ll just dumb down the other countries with Facebook, Twitter, Idol, etc. So you all go ahead and join my former pal Jim Rogers in Singapore while I enjoy another Pabst.

“The Elephant and the Dragon: The Rise of India and China and What It Means for All of Us” [Hardcover]
Robyn Meredith

“Accounting for Growth: Comparing China and India”,
Journal of Economic Perspectives—Volume 22, Number 1—Winter 2008—Pages 45–66

http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2007/0117china_bosworth.aspx

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[quote=sdduuuude]
To force people into a certain way of action because you think that is the way it should be is basically a totalitarian approach that never works, and invariably results in unexpected side-affects that screw up your original intentions or create worse problems. This idea is “Control Freaks Gone Wild.” Who is to say you are the guy to decide ? Why 60 mph ? Why not 1000? Why not 10?

Maybe we should restrict all art projects to 1 gallon of paint. That is about as smart.

The original poster’s user name should be “BigGovernmentIsGoodButOnlyIfTheBig
GovernmentForcesPeopleToDoWhatIWantThemTo” and I would like to suggest China as a new home for you.

Just let people buy the car they want and deal with what happens. The market may not go the way you want it to. Tough crap. This ain’t Burger King – you can’t always have it your way.[/quote]
“totalitarian approach that never works”- Really?

Although flu knows I hide out in a bunker with my xenophobic buddies listening to Buchanan and Art Bell, I did manage to sneak out to Singapore [why yes, twice last year]. They control everything including chewing gum, engine size, etc. It pains me to say this but their economy is a vibrant free market with strict dictatorship control. It worked so well that Chinese copied their economic model in the 70’s and look at China now – a totalitarian approach that seems to have growth.

Wait, you want democracy? Maybe it’s highly overrated. Just go over to India and look what that freedom brought – infrastructure that is 50 years behind USA. India could have been better off in many ways with a Chinese style Govt in order to get infrastructure built. Know it all investor Jim Roger says India won’t last another 30 years.

Heck, if we moved the **&&$ and their lobbyist friends from the Beltway to San Quentin and put in a couple of smart dictators like flu and sduude for 10 years, what would happen? We would have projects with real merit built in a few years – We would have nuclear plants, all the roads would be paved in a few years cutting massive pollution, all the laws schools would be turned into prisons, etc. Now a few insects may be hurt without the 15 year lawsuits stopping the I-56, but that only benefited fat landowners like me who want to keep out the riff-raff. Oh wait, we don’t want that! I think I see endangered insect on the I-15, I should be able to stop that noise for 5 years with my injunction tomorrow.

BTW, flu says job growth in USA is over and fat sloths like must be drinking too much Pabst BR if we think USA can still control world economy in the future or enjoy great standard of living.
The Forbes author concludes with “[W]hat the United States must do is clear: it must strengthen its educational and economic foundations and foster the innovation that will keep the United Staes ahead in the technology that underpins so many parts of the nation’s culture and the global economy”. I say don’t worry mon, we’ll just dumb down the other countries with Facebook, Twitter, Idol, etc. So you all go ahead and join my former pal Jim Rogers in Singapore while I enjoy another Pabst.

“The Elephant and the Dragon: The Rise of India and China and What It Means for All of Us” [Hardcover]
Robyn Meredith

“Accounting for Growth: Comparing China and India”,
Journal of Economic Perspectives—Volume 22, Number 1—Winter 2008—Pages 45–66

http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2007/0117china_bosworth.aspx

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[quote=sdduuuude]
To force people into a certain way of action because you think that is the way it should be is basically a totalitarian approach that never works, and invariably results in unexpected side-affects that screw up your original intentions or create worse problems. This idea is “Control Freaks Gone Wild.” Who is to say you are the guy to decide ? Why 60 mph ? Why not 1000? Why not 10?

Maybe we should restrict all art projects to 1 gallon of paint. That is about as smart.

The original poster’s user name should be “BigGovernmentIsGoodButOnlyIfTheBig
GovernmentForcesPeopleToDoWhatIWantThemTo” and I would like to suggest China as a new home for you.

Just let people buy the car they want and deal with what happens. The market may not go the way you want it to. Tough crap. This ain’t Burger King – you can’t always have it your way.[/quote]
“totalitarian approach that never works”- Really?

Although flu knows I hide out in a bunker with my xenophobic buddies listening to Buchanan and Art Bell, I did manage to sneak out to Singapore [why yes, twice last year]. They control everything including chewing gum, engine size, etc. It pains me to say this but their economy is a vibrant free market with strict dictatorship control. It worked so well that Chinese copied their economic model in the 70’s and look at China now – a totalitarian approach that seems to have growth.

Wait, you want democracy? Maybe it’s highly overrated. Just go over to India and look what that freedom brought – infrastructure that is 50 years behind USA. India could have been better off in many ways with a Chinese style Govt in order to get infrastructure built. Know it all investor Jim Roger says India won’t last another 30 years.

Heck, if we moved the **&&$ and their lobbyist friends from the Beltway to San Quentin and put in a couple of smart dictators like flu and sduude for 10 years, what would happen? We would have projects with real merit built in a few years – We would have nuclear plants, all the roads would be paved in a few years cutting massive pollution, all the laws schools would be turned into prisons, etc. Now a few insects may be hurt without the 15 year lawsuits stopping the I-56, but that only benefited fat landowners like me who want to keep out the riff-raff. Oh wait, we don’t want that! I think I see endangered insect on the I-15, I should be able to stop that noise for 5 years with my injunction tomorrow.

BTW, flu says job growth in USA is over and fat sloths like must be drinking too much Pabst BR if we think USA can still control world economy in the future or enjoy great standard of living.
The Forbes author concludes with “[W]hat the United States must do is clear: it must strengthen its educational and economic foundations and foster the innovation that will keep the United Staes ahead in the technology that underpins so many parts of the nation’s culture and the global economy”. I say don’t worry mon, we’ll just dumb down the other countries with Facebook, Twitter, Idol, etc. So you all go ahead and join my former pal Jim Rogers in Singapore while I enjoy another Pabst.

“The Elephant and the Dragon: The Rise of India and China and What It Means for All of Us” [Hardcover]
Robyn Meredith

“Accounting for Growth: Comparing China and India”,
Journal of Economic Perspectives—Volume 22, Number 1—Winter 2008—Pages 45–66

http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2007/0117china_bosworth.aspx

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[quote=sdduuuude]
To force people into a certain way of action because you think that is the way it should be is basically a totalitarian approach that never works, and invariably results in unexpected side-affects that screw up your original intentions or create worse problems. This idea is “Control Freaks Gone Wild.” Who is to say you are the guy to decide ? Why 60 mph ? Why not 1000? Why not 10?

Maybe we should restrict all art projects to 1 gallon of paint. That is about as smart.

The original poster’s user name should be “BigGovernmentIsGoodButOnlyIfTheBig
GovernmentForcesPeopleToDoWhatIWantThemTo” and I would like to suggest China as a new home for you.

Just let people buy the car they want and deal with what happens. The market may not go the way you want it to. Tough crap. This ain’t Burger King – you can’t always have it your way.[/quote]
“totalitarian approach that never works”- Really?

Although flu knows I hide out in a bunker with my xenophobic buddies listening to Buchanan and Art Bell, I did manage to sneak out to Singapore [why yes, twice last year]. They control everything including chewing gum, engine size, etc. It pains me to say this but their economy is a vibrant free market with strict dictatorship control. It worked so well that Chinese copied their economic model in the 70’s and look at China now – a totalitarian approach that seems to have growth.

Wait, you want democracy? Maybe it’s highly overrated. Just go over to India and look what that freedom brought – infrastructure that is 50 years behind USA. India could have been better off in many ways with a Chinese style Govt in order to get infrastructure built. Know it all investor Jim Roger says India won’t last another 30 years.

Heck, if we moved the **&&$ and their lobbyist friends from the Beltway to San Quentin and put in a couple of smart dictators like flu and sduude for 10 years, what would happen? We would have projects with real merit built in a few years – We would have nuclear plants, all the roads would be paved in a few years cutting massive pollution, all the laws schools would be turned into prisons, etc. Now a few insects may be hurt without the 15 year lawsuits stopping the I-56, but that only benefited fat landowners like me who want to keep out the riff-raff. Oh wait, we don’t want that! I think I see endangered insect on the I-15, I should be able to stop that noise for 5 years with my injunction tomorrow.

BTW, flu says job growth in USA is over and fat sloths like must be drinking too much Pabst BR if we think USA can still control world economy in the future or enjoy great standard of living.
The Forbes author concludes with “[W]hat the United States must do is clear: it must strengthen its educational and economic foundations and foster the innovation that will keep the United Staes ahead in the technology that underpins so many parts of the nation’s culture and the global economy”. I say don’t worry mon, we’ll just dumb down the other countries with Facebook, Twitter, Idol, etc. So you all go ahead and join my former pal Jim Rogers in Singapore while I enjoy another Pabst.

“The Elephant and the Dragon: The Rise of India and China and What It Means for All of Us” [Hardcover]
Robyn Meredith

“Accounting for Growth: Comparing China and India”,
Journal of Economic Perspectives—Volume 22, Number 1—Winter 2008—Pages 45–66

http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2007/0117china_bosworth.aspx

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[quote=sdduuuude]
To force people into a certain way of action because you think that is the way it should be is basically a totalitarian approach that never works, and invariably results in unexpected side-affects that screw up your original intentions or create worse problems. This idea is “Control Freaks Gone Wild.” Who is to say you are the guy to decide ? Why 60 mph ? Why not 1000? Why not 10?

Maybe we should restrict all art projects to 1 gallon of paint. That is about as smart.

The original poster’s user name should be “BigGovernmentIsGoodButOnlyIfTheBig
GovernmentForcesPeopleToDoWhatIWantThemTo” and I would like to suggest China as a new home for you.

Just let people buy the car they want and deal with what happens. The market may not go the way you want it to. Tough crap. This ain’t Burger King – you can’t always have it your way.[/quote]
“totalitarian approach that never works”- Really?

Although flu knows I hide out in a bunker with my xenophobic buddies listening to Buchanan and Art Bell, I did manage to sneak out to Singapore [why yes, twice last year]. They control everything including chewing gum, engine size, etc. It pains me to say this but their economy is a vibrant free market with strict dictatorship control. It worked so well that Chinese copied their economic model in the 70’s and look at China now – a totalitarian approach that seems to have growth.

Wait, you want democracy? Maybe it’s highly overrated. Just go over to India and look what that freedom brought – infrastructure that is 50 years behind USA. India could have been better off in many ways with a Chinese style Govt in order to get infrastructure built. Know it all investor Jim Roger says India won’t last another 30 years.

Heck, if we moved the **&&$ and their lobbyist friends from the Beltway to San Quentin and put in a couple of smart dictators like flu and sduude for 10 years, what would happen? We would have projects with real merit built in a few years – We would have nuclear plants, all the roads would be paved in a few years cutting massive pollution, all the laws schools would be turned into prisons, etc. Now a few insects may be hurt without the 15 year lawsuits stopping the I-56, but that only benefited fat landowners like me who want to keep out the riff-raff. Oh wait, we don’t want that! I think I see endangered insect on the I-15, I should be able to stop that noise for 5 years with my injunction tomorrow.

BTW, flu says job growth in USA is over and fat sloths like must be drinking too much Pabst BR if we think USA can still control world economy in the future or enjoy great standard of living.
The Forbes author concludes with “[W]hat the United States must do is clear: it must strengthen its educational and economic foundations and foster the innovation that will keep the United Staes ahead in the technology that underpins so many parts of the nation’s culture and the global economy”. I say don’t worry mon, we’ll just dumb down the other countries with Facebook, Twitter, Idol, etc. So you all go ahead and join my former pal Jim Rogers in Singapore while I enjoy another Pabst.

“The Elephant and the Dragon: The Rise of India and China and What It Means for All of Us” [Hardcover]
Robyn Meredith

“Accounting for Growth: Comparing China and India”,
Journal of Economic Perspectives—Volume 22, Number 1—Winter 2008—Pages 45–66

http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2007/0117china_bosworth.aspx

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Only a tax lawyer working for GS could devise or understand something so egregious. How is thing any different than anything that happened in Bell?
Wait, the schools are still screaming poverty. Only in this state could you have this amount of taxation, yet PTA turns kids into marketing slaves first day of school.

Where is that Tea Party when you need them?

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Only a tax lawyer working for GS could devise or understand something so egregious. How is thing any different than anything that happened in Bell?
Wait, the schools are still screaming poverty. Only in this state could you have this amount of taxation, yet PTA turns kids into marketing slaves first day of school.

Where is that Tea Party when you need them?

[equalizer]

Only a tax lawyer working for GS could devise or understand something so egregious. How is thing any different than anything that happened in Bell?
Wait, the schools are still screaming poverty. Only in this state could you have this amount of taxation, yet PTA turns kids into marketing slaves first day of school.

Where is that Tea Party when you need them?

[equalizer]

Only a tax lawyer working for GS could devise or understand something so egregious. How is thing any different than anything that happened in Bell?
Wait, the schools are still screaming poverty. Only in this state could you have this amount of taxation, yet PTA turns kids into marketing slaves first day of school.

Where is that Tea Party when you need them?

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