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Participant[quote=sdrealtor]Thanx, I went to the dr yesterday and he prescribed some anti-inflammatory medicine that has made a huge difference. I already regained a ton of flexibility. MRI on Monday. Keeping my fingers crossed its a minor tear.[/quote]
Good luck, sdr. Don’t know if it will make you feel any better, but if you’re destined to screw up your knee in some way, a meniscal tear, in most cases, is the one associated with the least morbidity. There are loads of people walking around, leading very active lives with meniscal tears in one or both knees. I sustained tears in both lateral menisci in my early 20s; the only time they’ve ever caused any significant pain is when I’m bearing weight on a hyperflexed joint, particularly when I’m on my hands and knees (and no comments from the more “traditional” males in the peanut gallery….I don’t scrub my floors often, but when I do, I want to make sure they’re really clean!)
Naturally, there are widely varying degrees of tears. If a tear is located in an area that allows the meniscus to get “caught” between the bones of the joint, it can not only cause significant pain, but serious difficulty with walking (many patients complain of their knee “giving way”). The menisci are often described as “knee cartilage”, but, while meniscal tissue is cartilagenous in its composition, the menisci are actually semilunar-shaped pads that function as shock absorbers. They protect the long bones in the knee joint (femur & tibia) from the shock of repeatedly pounding against each other. So, while they really help in keeping your knee joint comfortable and stable, an injury to them will not prove to be as great an impediment to joint function as damage to the articular cartilage and collateral/ cruciate ligaments would be. That’s why I said that a tear of the meniscus is preferable to just about any other type of knee injury.
The MRI will provide a highly detailed picture and a definitive diagnosis. If there’s a tear, ask the doctor to show you exactly where it’s at. If he/she recommends surgery, ask if there’s a problem with a limited course of conservative treatment (rest & elevation of the limb, antiinflammatories). There are cases where the tear is severe and can impede walking, but that doesn’t sound like you are experiencing that. You may luck out, and have no tear, or a small one that, once the initial inflammation (which is the body’s way of protecting an injured area from risk of further trauma) goes away, will cause you no additional problems.
People respond differently to surgical treatment, and the factors involved are not always controllable. However, the one thing under your control is your choice of surgeon (if you are not restricted to health insurer-designated providers). My recommendation is to find someone who specializes in arthroscopic joint surgery, preferably one who superspecializes in lower extremity pathology. Recovery time and outcome can depend on a variety of factors, among them whether they are simply excising a small portion of the meniscus (usually fairly straightforward), or performing a meniscal repair (can be a lot more detailed). The importance of postoperative physical therapy and rehab cannot be overemphasized. Again, your positive response to the antiinflammatory meds and rest are, hopefully, indicative of a favorable prognosis with the possibility of no surgical intervention.
Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=briansd1]But you’re right about Philly. There are entrenched ethnic enclaves in Philly where new comers are definitely not welcomed. I was driving through Fishtown on a street of white people. There were people sitting around on patio chairs, shooting the breeze with their buddies in front of an auto shop. That neighborhood was littered with shell houses.
As I drove by, they yelled “what the fuck are you looking at!”
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My husband lived in Frankford – just up from Kensington and Fishtown. He used to joke that what the neighborhood needed was better looking hookers.We still have friends in Mayfair and family in N.E. Philly and Oxford Circle.
If you want to see scary neighborhoods – just go a few blocks east of Kelly Drive into North Philly (north of the Art Museum neighborhood and Girard, east of Strawberry Mansion neighborhood.) I got lost there once and my paranoia kicked in and I locked all my car doors. (And I’m not a paranoid type.)
The lawn chairs on the sidewalk is a weird Philly phenomena… Clusters of folks wearing shorts and tanks sitting on the stoop and sidewalk in front of their houses.[/quote]
UCGal, your “paranoia” was well-placed. The area you speak of is so bad that they have trouble getting the cops to patrol there. About 15 years ago, a classmate of mine who worked for Fedex took a shift on Christmas Eve for one of his co-workers. He was standing at the back of his delivery truck, pulling out parcels, when someone came up behind him and shot him in the head at point blank range. No robbery, no reason. Just some local resident’s way of celebrating the birth of Christ.
I, myself, got lost in that neighborhood when I was about 19. I had been visiting friends up in Roxborough and took a wrong turn off Henry Avenue as I was heading for Ridge. I grew up right outside Philly, and was very familiar with the city and its neighborhoods, but this was like I had turned into one of the seven circles of hell. This was the late 70s and, believe it or not, I think the area has improved a bit since then (everything’s relative). But there were no GPSs back then, no cell phones, and I had no map of the area with me. It was 1:30 in the morning, and my car was so low on gas that I was running on fumes. Even if I had been able to find an open gas station, I’m not sure I would have stopped. The sight was really bizarre, though: late as it was, the neighborhood was teeming with people (stoopsitters, as it were), and a lot of them were kids. Little kids, like 3 and 5 and 7 years old. It was extremely hot and humid, as only Philly can get in the summer, and I think it was simply that no one could sleep. I didn’t turn on my air conditioner because I was so critically low on gas, but I didn’t dare open my windows either. It took me about 45 minutes to find my way out. But, over thirty years later, I can still remember how scared I felt.
Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=briansd1]But you’re right about Philly. There are entrenched ethnic enclaves in Philly where new comers are definitely not welcomed. I was driving through Fishtown on a street of white people. There were people sitting around on patio chairs, shooting the breeze with their buddies in front of an auto shop. That neighborhood was littered with shell houses.
As I drove by, they yelled “what the fuck are you looking at!”
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My husband lived in Frankford – just up from Kensington and Fishtown. He used to joke that what the neighborhood needed was better looking hookers.We still have friends in Mayfair and family in N.E. Philly and Oxford Circle.
If you want to see scary neighborhoods – just go a few blocks east of Kelly Drive into North Philly (north of the Art Museum neighborhood and Girard, east of Strawberry Mansion neighborhood.) I got lost there once and my paranoia kicked in and I locked all my car doors. (And I’m not a paranoid type.)
The lawn chairs on the sidewalk is a weird Philly phenomena… Clusters of folks wearing shorts and tanks sitting on the stoop and sidewalk in front of their houses.[/quote]
UCGal, your “paranoia” was well-placed. The area you speak of is so bad that they have trouble getting the cops to patrol there. About 15 years ago, a classmate of mine who worked for Fedex took a shift on Christmas Eve for one of his co-workers. He was standing at the back of his delivery truck, pulling out parcels, when someone came up behind him and shot him in the head at point blank range. No robbery, no reason. Just some local resident’s way of celebrating the birth of Christ.
I, myself, got lost in that neighborhood when I was about 19. I had been visiting friends up in Roxborough and took a wrong turn off Henry Avenue as I was heading for Ridge. I grew up right outside Philly, and was very familiar with the city and its neighborhoods, but this was like I had turned into one of the seven circles of hell. This was the late 70s and, believe it or not, I think the area has improved a bit since then (everything’s relative). But there were no GPSs back then, no cell phones, and I had no map of the area with me. It was 1:30 in the morning, and my car was so low on gas that I was running on fumes. Even if I had been able to find an open gas station, I’m not sure I would have stopped. The sight was really bizarre, though: late as it was, the neighborhood was teeming with people (stoopsitters, as it were), and a lot of them were kids. Little kids, like 3 and 5 and 7 years old. It was extremely hot and humid, as only Philly can get in the summer, and I think it was simply that no one could sleep. I didn’t turn on my air conditioner because I was so critically low on gas, but I didn’t dare open my windows either. It took me about 45 minutes to find my way out. But, over thirty years later, I can still remember how scared I felt.
Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=briansd1]But you’re right about Philly. There are entrenched ethnic enclaves in Philly where new comers are definitely not welcomed. I was driving through Fishtown on a street of white people. There were people sitting around on patio chairs, shooting the breeze with their buddies in front of an auto shop. That neighborhood was littered with shell houses.
As I drove by, they yelled “what the fuck are you looking at!”
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My husband lived in Frankford – just up from Kensington and Fishtown. He used to joke that what the neighborhood needed was better looking hookers.We still have friends in Mayfair and family in N.E. Philly and Oxford Circle.
If you want to see scary neighborhoods – just go a few blocks east of Kelly Drive into North Philly (north of the Art Museum neighborhood and Girard, east of Strawberry Mansion neighborhood.) I got lost there once and my paranoia kicked in and I locked all my car doors. (And I’m not a paranoid type.)
The lawn chairs on the sidewalk is a weird Philly phenomena… Clusters of folks wearing shorts and tanks sitting on the stoop and sidewalk in front of their houses.[/quote]
UCGal, your “paranoia” was well-placed. The area you speak of is so bad that they have trouble getting the cops to patrol there. About 15 years ago, a classmate of mine who worked for Fedex took a shift on Christmas Eve for one of his co-workers. He was standing at the back of his delivery truck, pulling out parcels, when someone came up behind him and shot him in the head at point blank range. No robbery, no reason. Just some local resident’s way of celebrating the birth of Christ.
I, myself, got lost in that neighborhood when I was about 19. I had been visiting friends up in Roxborough and took a wrong turn off Henry Avenue as I was heading for Ridge. I grew up right outside Philly, and was very familiar with the city and its neighborhoods, but this was like I had turned into one of the seven circles of hell. This was the late 70s and, believe it or not, I think the area has improved a bit since then (everything’s relative). But there were no GPSs back then, no cell phones, and I had no map of the area with me. It was 1:30 in the morning, and my car was so low on gas that I was running on fumes. Even if I had been able to find an open gas station, I’m not sure I would have stopped. The sight was really bizarre, though: late as it was, the neighborhood was teeming with people (stoopsitters, as it were), and a lot of them were kids. Little kids, like 3 and 5 and 7 years old. It was extremely hot and humid, as only Philly can get in the summer, and I think it was simply that no one could sleep. I didn’t turn on my air conditioner because I was so critically low on gas, but I didn’t dare open my windows either. It took me about 45 minutes to find my way out. But, over thirty years later, I can still remember how scared I felt.
Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=briansd1]But you’re right about Philly. There are entrenched ethnic enclaves in Philly where new comers are definitely not welcomed. I was driving through Fishtown on a street of white people. There were people sitting around on patio chairs, shooting the breeze with their buddies in front of an auto shop. That neighborhood was littered with shell houses.
As I drove by, they yelled “what the fuck are you looking at!”
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My husband lived in Frankford – just up from Kensington and Fishtown. He used to joke that what the neighborhood needed was better looking hookers.We still have friends in Mayfair and family in N.E. Philly and Oxford Circle.
If you want to see scary neighborhoods – just go a few blocks east of Kelly Drive into North Philly (north of the Art Museum neighborhood and Girard, east of Strawberry Mansion neighborhood.) I got lost there once and my paranoia kicked in and I locked all my car doors. (And I’m not a paranoid type.)
The lawn chairs on the sidewalk is a weird Philly phenomena… Clusters of folks wearing shorts and tanks sitting on the stoop and sidewalk in front of their houses.[/quote]
UCGal, your “paranoia” was well-placed. The area you speak of is so bad that they have trouble getting the cops to patrol there. About 15 years ago, a classmate of mine who worked for Fedex took a shift on Christmas Eve for one of his co-workers. He was standing at the back of his delivery truck, pulling out parcels, when someone came up behind him and shot him in the head at point blank range. No robbery, no reason. Just some local resident’s way of celebrating the birth of Christ.
I, myself, got lost in that neighborhood when I was about 19. I had been visiting friends up in Roxborough and took a wrong turn off Henry Avenue as I was heading for Ridge. I grew up right outside Philly, and was very familiar with the city and its neighborhoods, but this was like I had turned into one of the seven circles of hell. This was the late 70s and, believe it or not, I think the area has improved a bit since then (everything’s relative). But there were no GPSs back then, no cell phones, and I had no map of the area with me. It was 1:30 in the morning, and my car was so low on gas that I was running on fumes. Even if I had been able to find an open gas station, I’m not sure I would have stopped. The sight was really bizarre, though: late as it was, the neighborhood was teeming with people (stoopsitters, as it were), and a lot of them were kids. Little kids, like 3 and 5 and 7 years old. It was extremely hot and humid, as only Philly can get in the summer, and I think it was simply that no one could sleep. I didn’t turn on my air conditioner because I was so critically low on gas, but I didn’t dare open my windows either. It took me about 45 minutes to find my way out. But, over thirty years later, I can still remember how scared I felt.
Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=briansd1]But you’re right about Philly. There are entrenched ethnic enclaves in Philly where new comers are definitely not welcomed. I was driving through Fishtown on a street of white people. There were people sitting around on patio chairs, shooting the breeze with their buddies in front of an auto shop. That neighborhood was littered with shell houses.
As I drove by, they yelled “what the fuck are you looking at!”
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My husband lived in Frankford – just up from Kensington and Fishtown. He used to joke that what the neighborhood needed was better looking hookers.We still have friends in Mayfair and family in N.E. Philly and Oxford Circle.
If you want to see scary neighborhoods – just go a few blocks east of Kelly Drive into North Philly (north of the Art Museum neighborhood and Girard, east of Strawberry Mansion neighborhood.) I got lost there once and my paranoia kicked in and I locked all my car doors. (And I’m not a paranoid type.)
The lawn chairs on the sidewalk is a weird Philly phenomena… Clusters of folks wearing shorts and tanks sitting on the stoop and sidewalk in front of their houses.[/quote]
UCGal, your “paranoia” was well-placed. The area you speak of is so bad that they have trouble getting the cops to patrol there. About 15 years ago, a classmate of mine who worked for Fedex took a shift on Christmas Eve for one of his co-workers. He was standing at the back of his delivery truck, pulling out parcels, when someone came up behind him and shot him in the head at point blank range. No robbery, no reason. Just some local resident’s way of celebrating the birth of Christ.
I, myself, got lost in that neighborhood when I was about 19. I had been visiting friends up in Roxborough and took a wrong turn off Henry Avenue as I was heading for Ridge. I grew up right outside Philly, and was very familiar with the city and its neighborhoods, but this was like I had turned into one of the seven circles of hell. This was the late 70s and, believe it or not, I think the area has improved a bit since then (everything’s relative). But there were no GPSs back then, no cell phones, and I had no map of the area with me. It was 1:30 in the morning, and my car was so low on gas that I was running on fumes. Even if I had been able to find an open gas station, I’m not sure I would have stopped. The sight was really bizarre, though: late as it was, the neighborhood was teeming with people (stoopsitters, as it were), and a lot of them were kids. Little kids, like 3 and 5 and 7 years old. It was extremely hot and humid, as only Philly can get in the summer, and I think it was simply that no one could sleep. I didn’t turn on my air conditioner because I was so critically low on gas, but I didn’t dare open my windows either. It took me about 45 minutes to find my way out. But, over thirty years later, I can still remember how scared I felt.
Participant[quote=UCGal]I loved the Lone Star Bar… saw Chula Vista native El Vez there in 97 or 98.[/quote]
Stop!!! You people are making me homesick!!
Participant[quote=UCGal]I loved the Lone Star Bar… saw Chula Vista native El Vez there in 97 or 98.[/quote]
Stop!!! You people are making me homesick!!
Participant[quote=UCGal]I loved the Lone Star Bar… saw Chula Vista native El Vez there in 97 or 98.[/quote]
Stop!!! You people are making me homesick!!
Participant[quote=UCGal]I loved the Lone Star Bar… saw Chula Vista native El Vez there in 97 or 98.[/quote]
Stop!!! You people are making me homesick!!
Participant[quote=UCGal]I loved the Lone Star Bar… saw Chula Vista native El Vez there in 97 or 98.[/quote]
Stop!!! You people are making me homesick!!
Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] the barbarians are already at the gates. And, in two years, they’ll be inside.[/quote]
Barbarians may have some internal struggles to deal with in those next two years:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20021350-503544.html
advisers to top potential 2012 Republican presidential candidates are united in their desire to stop Sarah Palin from winning the presidential nomination out of a fear that she would lose badly in the general election.[/quote]
Did she really use the term “anti-dentite” in her email?
Putting aside its rather odd placement in her stream of vitriol against Politico reporters……is this another Sarah Palin made-up word or did she steal it from Jerry Seinfeld?
Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] the barbarians are already at the gates. And, in two years, they’ll be inside.[/quote]
Barbarians may have some internal struggles to deal with in those next two years:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20021350-503544.html
advisers to top potential 2012 Republican presidential candidates are united in their desire to stop Sarah Palin from winning the presidential nomination out of a fear that she would lose badly in the general election.[/quote]
Did she really use the term “anti-dentite” in her email?
Putting aside its rather odd placement in her stream of vitriol against Politico reporters……is this another Sarah Palin made-up word or did she steal it from Jerry Seinfeld?
Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] the barbarians are already at the gates. And, in two years, they’ll be inside.[/quote]
Barbarians may have some internal struggles to deal with in those next two years:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20021350-503544.html
advisers to top potential 2012 Republican presidential candidates are united in their desire to stop Sarah Palin from winning the presidential nomination out of a fear that she would lose badly in the general election.[/quote]
Did she really use the term “anti-dentite” in her email?
Putting aside its rather odd placement in her stream of vitriol against Politico reporters……is this another Sarah Palin made-up word or did she steal it from Jerry Seinfeld?
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