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Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] Eaves: Why the hell am I always AWAY when you post stuff like this? Crap.
[/quote]Just lucky, I’m guessing?
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] Seriously, though, enjoyed your post. Funny how both Upton Sinclair (“The Jungle”) and Sinclair Lewis (“It Can’t Happen Here”) both remain readable and relevant. The more things change, eh?
[/quote]Allan, I’m disappointed. I would have expected someone with your savoir faire to have said it in French…
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] As far as Beck goes: Go riddance to bad rubbish. Yeah, when you start making Limbaugh and Fox look moderate… Wow.[/quote]
So true. But I wouldn’t count him out completely just yet. For all we know he may simply be taking time off for a sabbatical at the University of Virginia, immersing himself in their immense Thomas Jefferson collection (it’s no secret that he’s an esteemed Jeffersonian scholar.)
Or there’s the possibility that he’ll follow Sarah Palin to the Council on Foreign Relations for a year-long fellowship. And did I hear something on Twitter about a Rhodes scholarship?
As for my opinion on what the future holds for him, there’s no doubt in my mind……
Glenn Beck is John Galt.
Participant[quote=walterwhite]One interesting fact about Sinclair Lewis is that he was really, really into fasting. Wait, maybe it was upton sinclair. anyway, one of those guys fasted a lot, and a long time, and even wrote a very popular at the time book about it. And lived to his 80s[/quote]
Not Sinclair Lewis. He was 65 when he died in Rome (how awesome is that?!). He was in an advanced state of alcohol-related liver disease about which he was, apparently, in complete denial. And why the hell not?!
However, Upton Sinclair, who fastidiously abstained from drinking alcohol, wrote a book about his fellow writers who were liberal imbibers. Object of said book was, ostensibly, to warn young people about the evils of liquor. He had no shortage of literary figures from which to choose. A quote about Sinclair Lewis is particularly touching: “…never had anybody gotten so blind drunk as Sinclair Lewis”.
Now there’s an epitaph for one’s tombstone….and so much more personal than all that crap about winning Nobel and Pulitzer Prizes.
Participant[quote=walterwhite]One interesting fact about Sinclair Lewis is that he was really, really into fasting. Wait, maybe it was upton sinclair. anyway, one of those guys fasted a lot, and a long time, and even wrote a very popular at the time book about it. And lived to his 80s[/quote]
Not Sinclair Lewis. He was 65 when he died in Rome (how awesome is that?!). He was in an advanced state of alcohol-related liver disease about which he was, apparently, in complete denial. And why the hell not?!
However, Upton Sinclair, who fastidiously abstained from drinking alcohol, wrote a book about his fellow writers who were liberal imbibers. Object of said book was, ostensibly, to warn young people about the evils of liquor. He had no shortage of literary figures from which to choose. A quote about Sinclair Lewis is particularly touching: “…never had anybody gotten so blind drunk as Sinclair Lewis”.
Now there’s an epitaph for one’s tombstone….and so much more personal than all that crap about winning Nobel and Pulitzer Prizes.
Participant[quote=walterwhite]One interesting fact about Sinclair Lewis is that he was really, really into fasting. Wait, maybe it was upton sinclair. anyway, one of those guys fasted a lot, and a long time, and even wrote a very popular at the time book about it. And lived to his 80s[/quote]
Not Sinclair Lewis. He was 65 when he died in Rome (how awesome is that?!). He was in an advanced state of alcohol-related liver disease about which he was, apparently, in complete denial. And why the hell not?!
However, Upton Sinclair, who fastidiously abstained from drinking alcohol, wrote a book about his fellow writers who were liberal imbibers. Object of said book was, ostensibly, to warn young people about the evils of liquor. He had no shortage of literary figures from which to choose. A quote about Sinclair Lewis is particularly touching: “…never had anybody gotten so blind drunk as Sinclair Lewis”.
Now there’s an epitaph for one’s tombstone….and so much more personal than all that crap about winning Nobel and Pulitzer Prizes.
Participant[quote=walterwhite]One interesting fact about Sinclair Lewis is that he was really, really into fasting. Wait, maybe it was upton sinclair. anyway, one of those guys fasted a lot, and a long time, and even wrote a very popular at the time book about it. And lived to his 80s[/quote]
Not Sinclair Lewis. He was 65 when he died in Rome (how awesome is that?!). He was in an advanced state of alcohol-related liver disease about which he was, apparently, in complete denial. And why the hell not?!
However, Upton Sinclair, who fastidiously abstained from drinking alcohol, wrote a book about his fellow writers who were liberal imbibers. Object of said book was, ostensibly, to warn young people about the evils of liquor. He had no shortage of literary figures from which to choose. A quote about Sinclair Lewis is particularly touching: “…never had anybody gotten so blind drunk as Sinclair Lewis”.
Now there’s an epitaph for one’s tombstone….and so much more personal than all that crap about winning Nobel and Pulitzer Prizes.
Participant[quote=walterwhite]One interesting fact about Sinclair Lewis is that he was really, really into fasting. Wait, maybe it was upton sinclair. anyway, one of those guys fasted a lot, and a long time, and even wrote a very popular at the time book about it. And lived to his 80s[/quote]
Not Sinclair Lewis. He was 65 when he died in Rome (how awesome is that?!). He was in an advanced state of alcohol-related liver disease about which he was, apparently, in complete denial. And why the hell not?!
However, Upton Sinclair, who fastidiously abstained from drinking alcohol, wrote a book about his fellow writers who were liberal imbibers. Object of said book was, ostensibly, to warn young people about the evils of liquor. He had no shortage of literary figures from which to choose. A quote about Sinclair Lewis is particularly touching: “…never had anybody gotten so blind drunk as Sinclair Lewis”.
Now there’s an epitaph for one’s tombstone….and so much more personal than all that crap about winning Nobel and Pulitzer Prizes.
Participant[quote=equalizer][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=equalizer]
This may be my faux pas for mentionion it, but did you reveal your sympathies with proletariat class with Upton Sinclair/ Sinclair Lewis Freudian slip? So melancholy, can’t we get an Updike reference once?[/quote]Equalizer: Excellent catch there, bub. Wow, my Freudian slip is showing, isn’t it?
I actually like both authors very much, and, speaking of religious hypocrisy and mass manipulation (a la Glenn Beck, though he’s fading fast, thank God), we should also mention “Elmer Gantry” as a must read. Excellent book (and a good movie, too, with Burt Lancaster) and just as relevant today.[/quote]
Haven’t read the book, but Lancaster was just amazing in the movie. Can’t believe it was published in 1927; doubt it would be published today.[/quote]I missed out on most of this excellent Piggsfest, but feel compelled to add my two cents to the Upton Sinclair/Sinclair Lewis admiration expressed here (Allan, I should have know that there was a literary reason behind the fact that you make me hot.)
I, too, really admire the writings of both authors. I can remember first hearing about them both when we were learning about the early labor movement in 4th grade. I read my first Lewis at age 14: a little gem he wrote in 1947 called “Kingsblood Royal”. I was most assuredly hooked, and have read many more of his novels and short stories since then, some of them a few times over.
Lewis was extremely popular following the release of “Main Street” in 1920, and followed that up with some his most famous works over the remainder of the decade (which many feel has a lot in common with our just-completed 2000 to 2010 period): “Arrowsmith” (won the first Nobel Peace Prize for literature), “Babbitt”, “Dodsworth”, and “Elmer Gantry”. Many of these were made into films in the 1930s; the best (& my personal fave) is William Wyler and Samuel Goldwyn’s collaboration on “Dodsworth”. Unsurpassed performances by Walter Huston (Anjelica’s grandfather) and Ruth Chatterton.
Equalizer, all of Lewis’s better-known books are in print today, including “Elmer Gantry”. Read the book; I think it’s much better than the movie. I have the highest degree of admiration for Lancaster, but felt his portrayal was almost a caricature (I wasn’t nuts about Richard Brooks’ direction).
As for something that couldn’t get published today, try Lewis’s “It Can’t Happen Here”. It’s available on Amazon. Worthwhile. And I don’t mean to upset or insult anyone, but Ayn Rand is not anywhere close to being in this guy’s class. I can understand the appeal of her books, but……no.
Allan, giggled at your Glenn Beck reference. It’s pretty telling when you’ve dialed the crazy up too high even for Fox News’s comfort.
My understanding is that GB’s taking time off to build and star in a Mormon-themed Atlas Shrugged amusement park, complete with a Book of Revelations Apocalypse Reenactment dinner theater.
Participant[quote=equalizer][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=equalizer]
This may be my faux pas for mentionion it, but did you reveal your sympathies with proletariat class with Upton Sinclair/ Sinclair Lewis Freudian slip? So melancholy, can’t we get an Updike reference once?[/quote]Equalizer: Excellent catch there, bub. Wow, my Freudian slip is showing, isn’t it?
I actually like both authors very much, and, speaking of religious hypocrisy and mass manipulation (a la Glenn Beck, though he’s fading fast, thank God), we should also mention “Elmer Gantry” as a must read. Excellent book (and a good movie, too, with Burt Lancaster) and just as relevant today.[/quote]
Haven’t read the book, but Lancaster was just amazing in the movie. Can’t believe it was published in 1927; doubt it would be published today.[/quote]I missed out on most of this excellent Piggsfest, but feel compelled to add my two cents to the Upton Sinclair/Sinclair Lewis admiration expressed here (Allan, I should have know that there was a literary reason behind the fact that you make me hot.)
I, too, really admire the writings of both authors. I can remember first hearing about them both when we were learning about the early labor movement in 4th grade. I read my first Lewis at age 14: a little gem he wrote in 1947 called “Kingsblood Royal”. I was most assuredly hooked, and have read many more of his novels and short stories since then, some of them a few times over.
Lewis was extremely popular following the release of “Main Street” in 1920, and followed that up with some his most famous works over the remainder of the decade (which many feel has a lot in common with our just-completed 2000 to 2010 period): “Arrowsmith” (won the first Nobel Peace Prize for literature), “Babbitt”, “Dodsworth”, and “Elmer Gantry”. Many of these were made into films in the 1930s; the best (& my personal fave) is William Wyler and Samuel Goldwyn’s collaboration on “Dodsworth”. Unsurpassed performances by Walter Huston (Anjelica’s grandfather) and Ruth Chatterton.
Equalizer, all of Lewis’s better-known books are in print today, including “Elmer Gantry”. Read the book; I think it’s much better than the movie. I have the highest degree of admiration for Lancaster, but felt his portrayal was almost a caricature (I wasn’t nuts about Richard Brooks’ direction).
As for something that couldn’t get published today, try Lewis’s “It Can’t Happen Here”. It’s available on Amazon. Worthwhile. And I don’t mean to upset or insult anyone, but Ayn Rand is not anywhere close to being in this guy’s class. I can understand the appeal of her books, but……no.
Allan, giggled at your Glenn Beck reference. It’s pretty telling when you’ve dialed the crazy up too high even for Fox News’s comfort.
My understanding is that GB’s taking time off to build and star in a Mormon-themed Atlas Shrugged amusement park, complete with a Book of Revelations Apocalypse Reenactment dinner theater.
Participant[quote=equalizer][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=equalizer]
This may be my faux pas for mentionion it, but did you reveal your sympathies with proletariat class with Upton Sinclair/ Sinclair Lewis Freudian slip? So melancholy, can’t we get an Updike reference once?[/quote]Equalizer: Excellent catch there, bub. Wow, my Freudian slip is showing, isn’t it?
I actually like both authors very much, and, speaking of religious hypocrisy and mass manipulation (a la Glenn Beck, though he’s fading fast, thank God), we should also mention “Elmer Gantry” as a must read. Excellent book (and a good movie, too, with Burt Lancaster) and just as relevant today.[/quote]
Haven’t read the book, but Lancaster was just amazing in the movie. Can’t believe it was published in 1927; doubt it would be published today.[/quote]I missed out on most of this excellent Piggsfest, but feel compelled to add my two cents to the Upton Sinclair/Sinclair Lewis admiration expressed here (Allan, I should have know that there was a literary reason behind the fact that you make me hot.)
I, too, really admire the writings of both authors. I can remember first hearing about them both when we were learning about the early labor movement in 4th grade. I read my first Lewis at age 14: a little gem he wrote in 1947 called “Kingsblood Royal”. I was most assuredly hooked, and have read many more of his novels and short stories since then, some of them a few times over.
Lewis was extremely popular following the release of “Main Street” in 1920, and followed that up with some his most famous works over the remainder of the decade (which many feel has a lot in common with our just-completed 2000 to 2010 period): “Arrowsmith” (won the first Nobel Peace Prize for literature), “Babbitt”, “Dodsworth”, and “Elmer Gantry”. Many of these were made into films in the 1930s; the best (& my personal fave) is William Wyler and Samuel Goldwyn’s collaboration on “Dodsworth”. Unsurpassed performances by Walter Huston (Anjelica’s grandfather) and Ruth Chatterton.
Equalizer, all of Lewis’s better-known books are in print today, including “Elmer Gantry”. Read the book; I think it’s much better than the movie. I have the highest degree of admiration for Lancaster, but felt his portrayal was almost a caricature (I wasn’t nuts about Richard Brooks’ direction).
As for something that couldn’t get published today, try Lewis’s “It Can’t Happen Here”. It’s available on Amazon. Worthwhile. And I don’t mean to upset or insult anyone, but Ayn Rand is not anywhere close to being in this guy’s class. I can understand the appeal of her books, but……no.
Allan, giggled at your Glenn Beck reference. It’s pretty telling when you’ve dialed the crazy up too high even for Fox News’s comfort.
My understanding is that GB’s taking time off to build and star in a Mormon-themed Atlas Shrugged amusement park, complete with a Book of Revelations Apocalypse Reenactment dinner theater.
Participant[quote=equalizer][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=equalizer]
This may be my faux pas for mentionion it, but did you reveal your sympathies with proletariat class with Upton Sinclair/ Sinclair Lewis Freudian slip? So melancholy, can’t we get an Updike reference once?[/quote]Equalizer: Excellent catch there, bub. Wow, my Freudian slip is showing, isn’t it?
I actually like both authors very much, and, speaking of religious hypocrisy and mass manipulation (a la Glenn Beck, though he’s fading fast, thank God), we should also mention “Elmer Gantry” as a must read. Excellent book (and a good movie, too, with Burt Lancaster) and just as relevant today.[/quote]
Haven’t read the book, but Lancaster was just amazing in the movie. Can’t believe it was published in 1927; doubt it would be published today.[/quote]I missed out on most of this excellent Piggsfest, but feel compelled to add my two cents to the Upton Sinclair/Sinclair Lewis admiration expressed here (Allan, I should have know that there was a literary reason behind the fact that you make me hot.)
I, too, really admire the writings of both authors. I can remember first hearing about them both when we were learning about the early labor movement in 4th grade. I read my first Lewis at age 14: a little gem he wrote in 1947 called “Kingsblood Royal”. I was most assuredly hooked, and have read many more of his novels and short stories since then, some of them a few times over.
Lewis was extremely popular following the release of “Main Street” in 1920, and followed that up with some his most famous works over the remainder of the decade (which many feel has a lot in common with our just-completed 2000 to 2010 period): “Arrowsmith” (won the first Nobel Peace Prize for literature), “Babbitt”, “Dodsworth”, and “Elmer Gantry”. Many of these were made into films in the 1930s; the best (& my personal fave) is William Wyler and Samuel Goldwyn’s collaboration on “Dodsworth”. Unsurpassed performances by Walter Huston (Anjelica’s grandfather) and Ruth Chatterton.
Equalizer, all of Lewis’s better-known books are in print today, including “Elmer Gantry”. Read the book; I think it’s much better than the movie. I have the highest degree of admiration for Lancaster, but felt his portrayal was almost a caricature (I wasn’t nuts about Richard Brooks’ direction).
As for something that couldn’t get published today, try Lewis’s “It Can’t Happen Here”. It’s available on Amazon. Worthwhile. And I don’t mean to upset or insult anyone, but Ayn Rand is not anywhere close to being in this guy’s class. I can understand the appeal of her books, but……no.
Allan, giggled at your Glenn Beck reference. It’s pretty telling when you’ve dialed the crazy up too high even for Fox News’s comfort.
My understanding is that GB’s taking time off to build and star in a Mormon-themed Atlas Shrugged amusement park, complete with a Book of Revelations Apocalypse Reenactment dinner theater.
Participant[quote=equalizer][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=equalizer]
This may be my faux pas for mentionion it, but did you reveal your sympathies with proletariat class with Upton Sinclair/ Sinclair Lewis Freudian slip? So melancholy, can’t we get an Updike reference once?[/quote]Equalizer: Excellent catch there, bub. Wow, my Freudian slip is showing, isn’t it?
I actually like both authors very much, and, speaking of religious hypocrisy and mass manipulation (a la Glenn Beck, though he’s fading fast, thank God), we should also mention “Elmer Gantry” as a must read. Excellent book (and a good movie, too, with Burt Lancaster) and just as relevant today.[/quote]
Haven’t read the book, but Lancaster was just amazing in the movie. Can’t believe it was published in 1927; doubt it would be published today.[/quote]I missed out on most of this excellent Piggsfest, but feel compelled to add my two cents to the Upton Sinclair/Sinclair Lewis admiration expressed here (Allan, I should have know that there was a literary reason behind the fact that you make me hot.)
I, too, really admire the writings of both authors. I can remember first hearing about them both when we were learning about the early labor movement in 4th grade. I read my first Lewis at age 14: a little gem he wrote in 1947 called “Kingsblood Royal”. I was most assuredly hooked, and have read many more of his novels and short stories since then, some of them a few times over.
Lewis was extremely popular following the release of “Main Street” in 1920, and followed that up with some his most famous works over the remainder of the decade (which many feel has a lot in common with our just-completed 2000 to 2010 period): “Arrowsmith” (won the first Nobel Peace Prize for literature), “Babbitt”, “Dodsworth”, and “Elmer Gantry”. Many of these were made into films in the 1930s; the best (& my personal fave) is William Wyler and Samuel Goldwyn’s collaboration on “Dodsworth”. Unsurpassed performances by Walter Huston (Anjelica’s grandfather) and Ruth Chatterton.
Equalizer, all of Lewis’s better-known books are in print today, including “Elmer Gantry”. Read the book; I think it’s much better than the movie. I have the highest degree of admiration for Lancaster, but felt his portrayal was almost a caricature (I wasn’t nuts about Richard Brooks’ direction).
As for something that couldn’t get published today, try Lewis’s “It Can’t Happen Here”. It’s available on Amazon. Worthwhile. And I don’t mean to upset or insult anyone, but Ayn Rand is not anywhere close to being in this guy’s class. I can understand the appeal of her books, but……no.
Allan, giggled at your Glenn Beck reference. It’s pretty telling when you’ve dialed the crazy up too high even for Fox News’s comfort.
My understanding is that GB’s taking time off to build and star in a Mormon-themed Atlas Shrugged amusement park, complete with a Book of Revelations Apocalypse Reenactment dinner theater.
Participant[quote=flu]Navydoc, I’m so sorry you got injured, but I’m glad you’re alright….
I’m glad they found the driver who did the hit and run…But considering how slow a typical prius driver probably was going, I doubt it was that hard to spot his/her getaway…..har har har….
On the bright side, you did manage to take one prius out of commission and out of public roads for a few weeks at least.. Thanks for taking one for the team and doing your civic public duties. Although next time, just use an F-150 instead of a bicycle…. har har har….[/quote]
Okay, that’s it, flu! As a proud Prius owner, I’ve had enough abuse. It’s time for a Piggs smackdown: me in my Prius, you in your Pinto, on a 5-mile stretch of Federal government-maintained, pothole-ridden interstate highway.
Your choice of location. However, keep in mind that should you elect to accept my challenge on the West Coast, it will take me three weeks to drive there….
Participant[quote=flu]Navydoc, I’m so sorry you got injured, but I’m glad you’re alright….
I’m glad they found the driver who did the hit and run…But considering how slow a typical prius driver probably was going, I doubt it was that hard to spot his/her getaway…..har har har….
On the bright side, you did manage to take one prius out of commission and out of public roads for a few weeks at least.. Thanks for taking one for the team and doing your civic public duties. Although next time, just use an F-150 instead of a bicycle…. har har har….[/quote]
Okay, that’s it, flu! As a proud Prius owner, I’ve had enough abuse. It’s time for a Piggs smackdown: me in my Prius, you in your Pinto, on a 5-mile stretch of Federal government-maintained, pothole-ridden interstate highway.
Your choice of location. However, keep in mind that should you elect to accept my challenge on the West Coast, it will take me three weeks to drive there….
Participant[quote=flu]Navydoc, I’m so sorry you got injured, but I’m glad you’re alright….
I’m glad they found the driver who did the hit and run…But considering how slow a typical prius driver probably was going, I doubt it was that hard to spot his/her getaway…..har har har….
On the bright side, you did manage to take one prius out of commission and out of public roads for a few weeks at least.. Thanks for taking one for the team and doing your civic public duties. Although next time, just use an F-150 instead of a bicycle…. har har har….[/quote]
Okay, that’s it, flu! As a proud Prius owner, I’ve had enough abuse. It’s time for a Piggs smackdown: me in my Prius, you in your Pinto, on a 5-mile stretch of Federal government-maintained, pothole-ridden interstate highway.
Your choice of location. However, keep in mind that should you elect to accept my challenge on the West Coast, it will take me three weeks to drive there….
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