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Participant[quote=davelj][quote=HiggyBaby]Shame on him for not keeping it in his pants.[/quote]
In my view the shame isn’t that he couldn’t keep it in his pants; it’s that he couldn’t acknowledge that he couldn’t keep it in his pants. He should’ve either (1) long ago told Maria that he wanted have sex with other women (and she probably would’ve divorced him then), or (2) divorced Maria long ago so that he could have sex with other women without all of these problems. But, as we know, that wouldn’t have “looked good” for someone running for Governor… so he tried to have his cake and eat it too… and here we are. I would like to see an unmarried politician just stand up and say, “Hey, I like to run around with different women. Just like the rest of my (political) colleagues. The difference being that I’m single.” That person would never get elected, of course… that’s too much honesty for most folks to handle.[/quote]
davelj, many years ago (shortly after their marriage) I read an interview with Maria Shriver in which she was questioned about rumors regarding her husband’s proclivities. She, of course, was evasive, but it appeared to me that, while she did not endorse or encourage Mr. Schwarzenegger’s extramarital dalliances, she recognized the possibility (and perhaps the probability) that they would occur. There has always been an abundance of speculation on the extensive length of their courtship, and its on-again/ off-again nature, with most people concluding that it resulted from Arnold’s alleged affairs. I got the impression from the interview that Ms. Shriver felt that she had come to terms with this behavior, and believed that a successful marriage was possible.
That being said, there’s a huge difference between overlooking your husband’s occasional (or even frequent) extramarital dalliances, and the current situation. Mr. Schwarzenegger impregnated another woman, and kept the fact that he had a child by her secret from his wife and family for several years. That, in itself, is a pretty monumental douchebag thing to do. But far worse is the fact that the woman in question was permitted to maintain a place of responsibility and trust within the Schwarzenegger/ Shriver family. We have no way of knowing what kind of relationship was maintained between Ms. Baena and Mrs. Shriver and her children, but as a housekeeper, she was a participant in intimate family moments and events. Given the length of her employment with the family, it would not be a stretch to assume that a warm and friendly association existed.
Added to that is the fact that the children of the two women were born less than a week apart. Ms. Shriver’s feelings of betrayal in these circumstances cannot be overestimated. Anyone can make a mistake, as Mr. Schwarzenegger certainly did in engaging in an extramarital affair with a married member of his personal household staff. But to compound it to this degree, in my eyes, is not only incredibly arrogant on his part, but unthinkably cruel and heartless.
It’s just a sad and sordid tale all around.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=eavesdropper]
BG, if Wanttobuy doesn’t jump on it, let’s you and I go in on it!![/quote]
Okay, if we are successful in scoring it, can we have joint parties with cheap wine and invite sdr and his “Attila the Hun” friend(s) over ?? (inside joke ;=])[/quote]
Okay with me. Do they have reno skills (preferably when their blood runs free of alcohol)?
I know!! Let’s tear out the poolside concrete, and plant vineyards for our own wine!
Participant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=eavesdropper]
BG, if Wanttobuy doesn’t jump on it, let’s you and I go in on it!![/quote]
Okay, if we are successful in scoring it, can we have joint parties with cheap wine and invite sdr and his “Attila the Hun” friend(s) over ?? (inside joke ;=])[/quote]
Okay with me. Do they have reno skills (preferably when their blood runs free of alcohol)?
I know!! Let’s tear out the poolside concrete, and plant vineyards for our own wine!
Participant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=eavesdropper]
BG, if Wanttobuy doesn’t jump on it, let’s you and I go in on it!![/quote]
Okay, if we are successful in scoring it, can we have joint parties with cheap wine and invite sdr and his “Attila the Hun” friend(s) over ?? (inside joke ;=])[/quote]
Okay with me. Do they have reno skills (preferably when their blood runs free of alcohol)?
I know!! Let’s tear out the poolside concrete, and plant vineyards for our own wine!
Participant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=eavesdropper]
BG, if Wanttobuy doesn’t jump on it, let’s you and I go in on it!![/quote]
Okay, if we are successful in scoring it, can we have joint parties with cheap wine and invite sdr and his “Attila the Hun” friend(s) over ?? (inside joke ;=])[/quote]
Okay with me. Do they have reno skills (preferably when their blood runs free of alcohol)?
I know!! Let’s tear out the poolside concrete, and plant vineyards for our own wine!
Participant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=eavesdropper]
BG, if Wanttobuy doesn’t jump on it, let’s you and I go in on it!![/quote]
Okay, if we are successful in scoring it, can we have joint parties with cheap wine and invite sdr and his “Attila the Hun” friend(s) over ?? (inside joke ;=])[/quote]
Okay with me. Do they have reno skills (preferably when their blood runs free of alcohol)?
I know!! Let’s tear out the poolside concrete, and plant vineyards for our own wine!
Participant[quote=north park girl] A teacher friend of mine told me that if she got back into the classroom (she manages after school programs now) she would do an exercise with her high school students working backwards: say you want to live in a nice house one day. Maybe in a nice San Diego neighborhood. Look at the cost of a house, how much payments are. Add in other expenses and taxes, how much do you need to make to afford that (don’t forget saving for retirement)? What kind of jobs would pay that much? How much education do you need to do that job (most science fields, you need a PhD, for example, an undergrad degree won’t cut it)? How much does all that cost? Make sure to add it to your list of expenses. I think every student should do this–gets students thinking about the future in a realistic way and picking a major that gets them where they want, and also realizing how expensive being an adult is![/quote]
Kudos to your friend, the teacher!! We could use more like her.
I’ll go a bit farther: when I was younger, they were still trying to force female students into Home Economics, which was supposed to teach you how to take care of a house and cook and sew for your (obligatory) husband. I think that they did away with that too quickly. They should expand the course into a Life Management curriculum, and all male and female students should have to take it for 3 class periods per week in 10th and 11th grades. It should include all of the topics/skills they’ll need in life that their parents are supposed to teach them, but aren’t skilled in themselves. Basic personal finance (including the meaning of interest and how to calculate it, budgeting, use of credit, how to choose and purchase a car, insurance), basic nutrition and cooking, basic household cleaning and maintenance, minor household repairs/construction/electrical (I’m talking minor drywall patching or replacing the cord on a lamp), child care and first aid. I think that the essentials of investing and minor retirement planning should also be taught. If a parent cares enough to school their kids in these skills, those students can test out of the requirement.
If kids were in school for excessive amounts of time, this would create a hardship. But most high-schoolers are in attendance for 2 to 4 hours per day, exclusive of lunch, study halls, and extracurricular activities. Geez, if we can’t teach them to read past a 6th grade level, or to add and subtract without a calculator, let’s at least teach ’em to take care of their basic needs.
Participant[quote=north park girl] A teacher friend of mine told me that if she got back into the classroom (she manages after school programs now) she would do an exercise with her high school students working backwards: say you want to live in a nice house one day. Maybe in a nice San Diego neighborhood. Look at the cost of a house, how much payments are. Add in other expenses and taxes, how much do you need to make to afford that (don’t forget saving for retirement)? What kind of jobs would pay that much? How much education do you need to do that job (most science fields, you need a PhD, for example, an undergrad degree won’t cut it)? How much does all that cost? Make sure to add it to your list of expenses. I think every student should do this–gets students thinking about the future in a realistic way and picking a major that gets them where they want, and also realizing how expensive being an adult is![/quote]
Kudos to your friend, the teacher!! We could use more like her.
I’ll go a bit farther: when I was younger, they were still trying to force female students into Home Economics, which was supposed to teach you how to take care of a house and cook and sew for your (obligatory) husband. I think that they did away with that too quickly. They should expand the course into a Life Management curriculum, and all male and female students should have to take it for 3 class periods per week in 10th and 11th grades. It should include all of the topics/skills they’ll need in life that their parents are supposed to teach them, but aren’t skilled in themselves. Basic personal finance (including the meaning of interest and how to calculate it, budgeting, use of credit, how to choose and purchase a car, insurance), basic nutrition and cooking, basic household cleaning and maintenance, minor household repairs/construction/electrical (I’m talking minor drywall patching or replacing the cord on a lamp), child care and first aid. I think that the essentials of investing and minor retirement planning should also be taught. If a parent cares enough to school their kids in these skills, those students can test out of the requirement.
If kids were in school for excessive amounts of time, this would create a hardship. But most high-schoolers are in attendance for 2 to 4 hours per day, exclusive of lunch, study halls, and extracurricular activities. Geez, if we can’t teach them to read past a 6th grade level, or to add and subtract without a calculator, let’s at least teach ’em to take care of their basic needs.
Participant[quote=north park girl] A teacher friend of mine told me that if she got back into the classroom (she manages after school programs now) she would do an exercise with her high school students working backwards: say you want to live in a nice house one day. Maybe in a nice San Diego neighborhood. Look at the cost of a house, how much payments are. Add in other expenses and taxes, how much do you need to make to afford that (don’t forget saving for retirement)? What kind of jobs would pay that much? How much education do you need to do that job (most science fields, you need a PhD, for example, an undergrad degree won’t cut it)? How much does all that cost? Make sure to add it to your list of expenses. I think every student should do this–gets students thinking about the future in a realistic way and picking a major that gets them where they want, and also realizing how expensive being an adult is![/quote]
Kudos to your friend, the teacher!! We could use more like her.
I’ll go a bit farther: when I was younger, they were still trying to force female students into Home Economics, which was supposed to teach you how to take care of a house and cook and sew for your (obligatory) husband. I think that they did away with that too quickly. They should expand the course into a Life Management curriculum, and all male and female students should have to take it for 3 class periods per week in 10th and 11th grades. It should include all of the topics/skills they’ll need in life that their parents are supposed to teach them, but aren’t skilled in themselves. Basic personal finance (including the meaning of interest and how to calculate it, budgeting, use of credit, how to choose and purchase a car, insurance), basic nutrition and cooking, basic household cleaning and maintenance, minor household repairs/construction/electrical (I’m talking minor drywall patching or replacing the cord on a lamp), child care and first aid. I think that the essentials of investing and minor retirement planning should also be taught. If a parent cares enough to school their kids in these skills, those students can test out of the requirement.
If kids were in school for excessive amounts of time, this would create a hardship. But most high-schoolers are in attendance for 2 to 4 hours per day, exclusive of lunch, study halls, and extracurricular activities. Geez, if we can’t teach them to read past a 6th grade level, or to add and subtract without a calculator, let’s at least teach ’em to take care of their basic needs.
Participant[quote=north park girl] A teacher friend of mine told me that if she got back into the classroom (she manages after school programs now) she would do an exercise with her high school students working backwards: say you want to live in a nice house one day. Maybe in a nice San Diego neighborhood. Look at the cost of a house, how much payments are. Add in other expenses and taxes, how much do you need to make to afford that (don’t forget saving for retirement)? What kind of jobs would pay that much? How much education do you need to do that job (most science fields, you need a PhD, for example, an undergrad degree won’t cut it)? How much does all that cost? Make sure to add it to your list of expenses. I think every student should do this–gets students thinking about the future in a realistic way and picking a major that gets them where they want, and also realizing how expensive being an adult is![/quote]
Kudos to your friend, the teacher!! We could use more like her.
I’ll go a bit farther: when I was younger, they were still trying to force female students into Home Economics, which was supposed to teach you how to take care of a house and cook and sew for your (obligatory) husband. I think that they did away with that too quickly. They should expand the course into a Life Management curriculum, and all male and female students should have to take it for 3 class periods per week in 10th and 11th grades. It should include all of the topics/skills they’ll need in life that their parents are supposed to teach them, but aren’t skilled in themselves. Basic personal finance (including the meaning of interest and how to calculate it, budgeting, use of credit, how to choose and purchase a car, insurance), basic nutrition and cooking, basic household cleaning and maintenance, minor household repairs/construction/electrical (I’m talking minor drywall patching or replacing the cord on a lamp), child care and first aid. I think that the essentials of investing and minor retirement planning should also be taught. If a parent cares enough to school their kids in these skills, those students can test out of the requirement.
If kids were in school for excessive amounts of time, this would create a hardship. But most high-schoolers are in attendance for 2 to 4 hours per day, exclusive of lunch, study halls, and extracurricular activities. Geez, if we can’t teach them to read past a 6th grade level, or to add and subtract without a calculator, let’s at least teach ’em to take care of their basic needs.
Participant[quote=north park girl] A teacher friend of mine told me that if she got back into the classroom (she manages after school programs now) she would do an exercise with her high school students working backwards: say you want to live in a nice house one day. Maybe in a nice San Diego neighborhood. Look at the cost of a house, how much payments are. Add in other expenses and taxes, how much do you need to make to afford that (don’t forget saving for retirement)? What kind of jobs would pay that much? How much education do you need to do that job (most science fields, you need a PhD, for example, an undergrad degree won’t cut it)? How much does all that cost? Make sure to add it to your list of expenses. I think every student should do this–gets students thinking about the future in a realistic way and picking a major that gets them where they want, and also realizing how expensive being an adult is![/quote]
Kudos to your friend, the teacher!! We could use more like her.
I’ll go a bit farther: when I was younger, they were still trying to force female students into Home Economics, which was supposed to teach you how to take care of a house and cook and sew for your (obligatory) husband. I think that they did away with that too quickly. They should expand the course into a Life Management curriculum, and all male and female students should have to take it for 3 class periods per week in 10th and 11th grades. It should include all of the topics/skills they’ll need in life that their parents are supposed to teach them, but aren’t skilled in themselves. Basic personal finance (including the meaning of interest and how to calculate it, budgeting, use of credit, how to choose and purchase a car, insurance), basic nutrition and cooking, basic household cleaning and maintenance, minor household repairs/construction/electrical (I’m talking minor drywall patching or replacing the cord on a lamp), child care and first aid. I think that the essentials of investing and minor retirement planning should also be taught. If a parent cares enough to school their kids in these skills, those students can test out of the requirement.
If kids were in school for excessive amounts of time, this would create a hardship. But most high-schoolers are in attendance for 2 to 4 hours per day, exclusive of lunch, study halls, and extracurricular activities. Geez, if we can’t teach them to read past a 6th grade level, or to add and subtract without a calculator, let’s at least teach ’em to take care of their basic needs.
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=paramount]
I don’t think anybody is strongly arguing that lifeguards aren’t needed, although that is debatable. The main issue is the cost of these lifeguards – it’s beyond excessive. [/quote]I don’t really think that we need lifeguards. Swimmers beware.
I’ve been to many countries where there are no lifeguards on the beach.
Not a necessity. Much better things to spend money on, IMHO.[/quote]
Brian, we can eliminate the lifeguards from the beaches when we eliminate personal injury lawyers from the courtroom and re-school our citizens in the Theory of Personal Responsibility.
I’m all in favor of personal freedom. Wade into in a rough ocean when you don’t know how to swim, or ride a motorcycle without a helmet, or go hiking in remote mountainous areas with which you are not familiar, or ignore temperature warnings when you drive across a frozen Great Lake to go ice fishing (i.e., drinking). I’m not sure, but I believe the Constitution guarantees your right to exercise personal stupidity. As a U.S. citizen, I’ll back you on it, as long as I don’t end up having to PAY for it.
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=paramount]
I don’t think anybody is strongly arguing that lifeguards aren’t needed, although that is debatable. The main issue is the cost of these lifeguards – it’s beyond excessive. [/quote]I don’t really think that we need lifeguards. Swimmers beware.
I’ve been to many countries where there are no lifeguards on the beach.
Not a necessity. Much better things to spend money on, IMHO.[/quote]
Brian, we can eliminate the lifeguards from the beaches when we eliminate personal injury lawyers from the courtroom and re-school our citizens in the Theory of Personal Responsibility.
I’m all in favor of personal freedom. Wade into in a rough ocean when you don’t know how to swim, or ride a motorcycle without a helmet, or go hiking in remote mountainous areas with which you are not familiar, or ignore temperature warnings when you drive across a frozen Great Lake to go ice fishing (i.e., drinking). I’m not sure, but I believe the Constitution guarantees your right to exercise personal stupidity. As a U.S. citizen, I’ll back you on it, as long as I don’t end up having to PAY for it.
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=paramount]
I don’t think anybody is strongly arguing that lifeguards aren’t needed, although that is debatable. The main issue is the cost of these lifeguards – it’s beyond excessive. [/quote]I don’t really think that we need lifeguards. Swimmers beware.
I’ve been to many countries where there are no lifeguards on the beach.
Not a necessity. Much better things to spend money on, IMHO.[/quote]
Brian, we can eliminate the lifeguards from the beaches when we eliminate personal injury lawyers from the courtroom and re-school our citizens in the Theory of Personal Responsibility.
I’m all in favor of personal freedom. Wade into in a rough ocean when you don’t know how to swim, or ride a motorcycle without a helmet, or go hiking in remote mountainous areas with which you are not familiar, or ignore temperature warnings when you drive across a frozen Great Lake to go ice fishing (i.e., drinking). I’m not sure, but I believe the Constitution guarantees your right to exercise personal stupidity. As a U.S. citizen, I’ll back you on it, as long as I don’t end up having to PAY for it.
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