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ParticipantHiggyBaby, the identification of a true cancer “cluster” in a particular geographic area is a rare occurrence. To the average layperson, the 150 cases of cancer in the stated 3-mile radius over a three-year period would appear to qualify as a cluster. Keep in mind, however, that this figure includes many types of cancer, and while all cancers are characterized by uncontrolled growth and spread of abnormal cells, the similarities end there. For all intents and purposes, “cancer” is a hundred completely different diseases, each with its own symptoms, treatments, and prognoses, and all arising from a combination of genetic, molecular, and environmental causes.
The number of cases in Carlsbad is well within normal limits as set forth by epidemiology experts. This does not mean that a cancer cluster, or concomitant disease hazard, do not exist in Carlsbad; simply that the numbers alone fall well short of establishing that condition. The website authors (the parents of a recently-deceased 16-year-old boy) consulted a well-respected epidemiologist from the USC School of Medicine, and have posted Dr. Mack’s letter on their website (under the “Recent News” heading). It has quite a bit of useful information concerning the situation in Carlsbad. You can also log onto the website of the National Cancer Institute for information on cancer clusters: http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/clusters
This being said, you may want to seriously reconsider purchasing a home in Carlsbad. It will take an extremely lengthy period of time to conduct the requisite epidemiological studies and, although highly unlikely, the results may indicate the presence of harmful environmental agents that pose a serious health risk. Regardless of the results, the publicity surrounding the situation will continue to build during this period, and will almost certainly affect property values in a negative way.
Participant[quote=NewtoSanDiego]
You don’t know anything about the tea party……[/quote]
I believe that I covered that in my last post, Newt. However, it would appear from your most recent missive that you don’t know anything about “the tea party”, either, as you neglected to share with us your incomparable wisdom on the subject.
By the way, what, precisely, constitutes a “new very likely Senator”? Are you sure you’re American? To be honest, you’re not terribly well versed in the English language.
And, jeez, Newt, can you come up with some new “insulting” words and phrases? It’s a given that you’re too much of a chickenshit to do anything besides hit and run on this board, but your ceaseless use of “you liberal swine”, and other stock phrases straight out of the “Glenn Beck Big Fat Conspiracy Playbook” is booooooorrrrrrring. But, come to think about it, just what I’d expect from you. After all, you were the one who bravely exposed the myth of the Gulf Coast oil spill with your scientific proof in the form of “facts” from a high school textbook.
I sincerely hope that you are not representative of any group that has or will have a significant effect on the future of this great nation. You’re not very intelligent or well-educated, you are uninformed, but highly opinionated with views you are incapable of defending, live by stereotypes, are incapable of a cogent, reasoned argument, and are too frightened to do anything but drop what you laughably consider to be devastating insults, and then run away. Not exactly the picture of the incomparably brave patriot ready, willing, and anxious to shed his blood for his country……
Participant[quote=NewtoSanDiego]
You don’t know anything about the tea party……[/quote]
I believe that I covered that in my last post, Newt. However, it would appear from your most recent missive that you don’t know anything about “the tea party”, either, as you neglected to share with us your incomparable wisdom on the subject.
By the way, what, precisely, constitutes a “new very likely Senator”? Are you sure you’re American? To be honest, you’re not terribly well versed in the English language.
And, jeez, Newt, can you come up with some new “insulting” words and phrases? It’s a given that you’re too much of a chickenshit to do anything besides hit and run on this board, but your ceaseless use of “you liberal swine”, and other stock phrases straight out of the “Glenn Beck Big Fat Conspiracy Playbook” is booooooorrrrrrring. But, come to think about it, just what I’d expect from you. After all, you were the one who bravely exposed the myth of the Gulf Coast oil spill with your scientific proof in the form of “facts” from a high school textbook.
I sincerely hope that you are not representative of any group that has or will have a significant effect on the future of this great nation. You’re not very intelligent or well-educated, you are uninformed, but highly opinionated with views you are incapable of defending, live by stereotypes, are incapable of a cogent, reasoned argument, and are too frightened to do anything but drop what you laughably consider to be devastating insults, and then run away. Not exactly the picture of the incomparably brave patriot ready, willing, and anxious to shed his blood for his country……
Participant[quote=NewtoSanDiego]
You don’t know anything about the tea party……[/quote]
I believe that I covered that in my last post, Newt. However, it would appear from your most recent missive that you don’t know anything about “the tea party”, either, as you neglected to share with us your incomparable wisdom on the subject.
By the way, what, precisely, constitutes a “new very likely Senator”? Are you sure you’re American? To be honest, you’re not terribly well versed in the English language.
And, jeez, Newt, can you come up with some new “insulting” words and phrases? It’s a given that you’re too much of a chickenshit to do anything besides hit and run on this board, but your ceaseless use of “you liberal swine”, and other stock phrases straight out of the “Glenn Beck Big Fat Conspiracy Playbook” is booooooorrrrrrring. But, come to think about it, just what I’d expect from you. After all, you were the one who bravely exposed the myth of the Gulf Coast oil spill with your scientific proof in the form of “facts” from a high school textbook.
I sincerely hope that you are not representative of any group that has or will have a significant effect on the future of this great nation. You’re not very intelligent or well-educated, you are uninformed, but highly opinionated with views you are incapable of defending, live by stereotypes, are incapable of a cogent, reasoned argument, and are too frightened to do anything but drop what you laughably consider to be devastating insults, and then run away. Not exactly the picture of the incomparably brave patriot ready, willing, and anxious to shed his blood for his country……
Participant[quote=NewtoSanDiego]
You don’t know anything about the tea party……[/quote]
I believe that I covered that in my last post, Newt. However, it would appear from your most recent missive that you don’t know anything about “the tea party”, either, as you neglected to share with us your incomparable wisdom on the subject.
By the way, what, precisely, constitutes a “new very likely Senator”? Are you sure you’re American? To be honest, you’re not terribly well versed in the English language.
And, jeez, Newt, can you come up with some new “insulting” words and phrases? It’s a given that you’re too much of a chickenshit to do anything besides hit and run on this board, but your ceaseless use of “you liberal swine”, and other stock phrases straight out of the “Glenn Beck Big Fat Conspiracy Playbook” is booooooorrrrrrring. But, come to think about it, just what I’d expect from you. After all, you were the one who bravely exposed the myth of the Gulf Coast oil spill with your scientific proof in the form of “facts” from a high school textbook.
I sincerely hope that you are not representative of any group that has or will have a significant effect on the future of this great nation. You’re not very intelligent or well-educated, you are uninformed, but highly opinionated with views you are incapable of defending, live by stereotypes, are incapable of a cogent, reasoned argument, and are too frightened to do anything but drop what you laughably consider to be devastating insults, and then run away. Not exactly the picture of the incomparably brave patriot ready, willing, and anxious to shed his blood for his country……
Participant[quote=NewtoSanDiego]
You don’t know anything about the tea party……[/quote]
I believe that I covered that in my last post, Newt. However, it would appear from your most recent missive that you don’t know anything about “the tea party”, either, as you neglected to share with us your incomparable wisdom on the subject.
By the way, what, precisely, constitutes a “new very likely Senator”? Are you sure you’re American? To be honest, you’re not terribly well versed in the English language.
And, jeez, Newt, can you come up with some new “insulting” words and phrases? It’s a given that you’re too much of a chickenshit to do anything besides hit and run on this board, but your ceaseless use of “you liberal swine”, and other stock phrases straight out of the “Glenn Beck Big Fat Conspiracy Playbook” is booooooorrrrrrring. But, come to think about it, just what I’d expect from you. After all, you were the one who bravely exposed the myth of the Gulf Coast oil spill with your scientific proof in the form of “facts” from a high school textbook.
I sincerely hope that you are not representative of any group that has or will have a significant effect on the future of this great nation. You’re not very intelligent or well-educated, you are uninformed, but highly opinionated with views you are incapable of defending, live by stereotypes, are incapable of a cogent, reasoned argument, and are too frightened to do anything but drop what you laughably consider to be devastating insults, and then run away. Not exactly the picture of the incomparably brave patriot ready, willing, and anxious to shed his blood for his country……
Participant[quote=CDMA ENG][quote=desmond]Jolly Rancher, next the kid is popping Mentos, then the advance to chocolate, probably starts with a Hershey bar, then all the way to a Snickers, I have seen it before.[/quote]
Nutella…
The creamy smooth meth of the junk food world…
Knew a girl that would kill you if you got between her and Nutella… She even had a special spoon for it just like a herion addict…
CE[/quote]
You say that like there’s something wrong with this type of behavior.
Keep in mind that a jar of Nutella has saved many a man’s sorry ass when his mate’s hormone levels were in flux. Next time you run across someone like that, it might be in your interest to go down to Tiffany and surprise her with a silver Nutella spoon.
Participant[quote=CDMA ENG][quote=desmond]Jolly Rancher, next the kid is popping Mentos, then the advance to chocolate, probably starts with a Hershey bar, then all the way to a Snickers, I have seen it before.[/quote]
Nutella…
The creamy smooth meth of the junk food world…
Knew a girl that would kill you if you got between her and Nutella… She even had a special spoon for it just like a herion addict…
CE[/quote]
You say that like there’s something wrong with this type of behavior.
Keep in mind that a jar of Nutella has saved many a man’s sorry ass when his mate’s hormone levels were in flux. Next time you run across someone like that, it might be in your interest to go down to Tiffany and surprise her with a silver Nutella spoon.
Participant[quote=CDMA ENG][quote=desmond]Jolly Rancher, next the kid is popping Mentos, then the advance to chocolate, probably starts with a Hershey bar, then all the way to a Snickers, I have seen it before.[/quote]
Nutella…
The creamy smooth meth of the junk food world…
Knew a girl that would kill you if you got between her and Nutella… She even had a special spoon for it just like a herion addict…
CE[/quote]
You say that like there’s something wrong with this type of behavior.
Keep in mind that a jar of Nutella has saved many a man’s sorry ass when his mate’s hormone levels were in flux. Next time you run across someone like that, it might be in your interest to go down to Tiffany and surprise her with a silver Nutella spoon.
Participant[quote=CDMA ENG][quote=desmond]Jolly Rancher, next the kid is popping Mentos, then the advance to chocolate, probably starts with a Hershey bar, then all the way to a Snickers, I have seen it before.[/quote]
Nutella…
The creamy smooth meth of the junk food world…
Knew a girl that would kill you if you got between her and Nutella… She even had a special spoon for it just like a herion addict…
CE[/quote]
You say that like there’s something wrong with this type of behavior.
Keep in mind that a jar of Nutella has saved many a man’s sorry ass when his mate’s hormone levels were in flux. Next time you run across someone like that, it might be in your interest to go down to Tiffany and surprise her with a silver Nutella spoon.
Participant[quote=CDMA ENG][quote=desmond]Jolly Rancher, next the kid is popping Mentos, then the advance to chocolate, probably starts with a Hershey bar, then all the way to a Snickers, I have seen it before.[/quote]
Nutella…
The creamy smooth meth of the junk food world…
Knew a girl that would kill you if you got between her and Nutella… She even had a special spoon for it just like a herion addict…
CE[/quote]
You say that like there’s something wrong with this type of behavior.
Keep in mind that a jar of Nutella has saved many a man’s sorry ass when his mate’s hormone levels were in flux. Next time you run across someone like that, it might be in your interest to go down to Tiffany and surprise her with a silver Nutella spoon.
Participant[quote=CA renter]
An overweight person is labled “overweight” no matter if it’s from over-eating or lack of exercise, or body type (endomorphic, for example), or other reasons (certain medicines, hormones, etc.). If a person weighs more than XX pounds, they are automatically labeled “overweight” or “obese.”
….Many underweight people with eating disorders are very likely to not be labled as having an eating disorder, IMHO, because they can convince others that they are “naturally” skinny or that they are simply “fit.”…The “fittest” people we know (work out for hours each day and carefully watch everything that enters their bodies) tend to have what I would consider to be very unhealthy habits. In many cases, I have yet to see any of them eat a single piece of produce, as they “eat” only protein powders and other “laboratory” foods. This, after knowing them and socializing with them for years…..[/quote]
CA renter, you’re absolutely correct: there are many overweight (labeled) people out there that are healthier than their slender fellow citizens. There’s a lot of individual-specific factors, aside from weight, that go into the equation for good health and longevity: heredity, emotional health, relationship status, environment, mental attitude, etc. However, there is an abundance of empirical data that clearly indicates the causal relationship between morbid obesity and health risk. Don’t quote me, but I believe that the jury is still out on many cancers. But morbid and super obesity very often results in chronic diseases and disorders such as heart disease, diabetes, sleep apnea, hypertension/stroke, and musculoskeletal pain and disability. These are difficult to treat, and have an extremely low rate of cure in the absence of weight loss. The cost to society, to the patient’s family, and to the patient is extremely high, in terms of health care delivery, strain on relationships, and lost or reduced work hours and capabilities.
On the opposite extreme, I think that scientists and researchers are fully aware of the extraordinary health risks posed by eating disorders. However, I think that this information has not been completely disseminated throughout the medical care provider community. This is not unusual: practitioners are typically so busy handling their patient load that they are unable to keep up with advances and discoveries in biomedical research. Add the cultural predisposition against obese people, and – you got it – a lot of unhealthy skinny people flying under the radar.
I’m not in favor of the government monitoring of people’s flawed eating habits; I’d be much happier if they would make it easier for people to get regular exercise. But I’m not necessarily against public information campaigns and taxes on zero-nutrition foods (to be earmarked for covering excessive obesity-related health costs). It seemed to help with smoking: many fewer tobacco-related diseases and deaths, with concomittantly lowered health costs.
I think they need to stay away from the ad agency that did the Hidden Valley Ranch salad dressing ads, though. Every time I see kids choosing raw vegetables over ice cream, I practically split a gut laughing. Possibly explained by my experiences raising four kids of my own.
Participant[quote=CA renter]
An overweight person is labled “overweight” no matter if it’s from over-eating or lack of exercise, or body type (endomorphic, for example), or other reasons (certain medicines, hormones, etc.). If a person weighs more than XX pounds, they are automatically labeled “overweight” or “obese.”
….Many underweight people with eating disorders are very likely to not be labled as having an eating disorder, IMHO, because they can convince others that they are “naturally” skinny or that they are simply “fit.”…The “fittest” people we know (work out for hours each day and carefully watch everything that enters their bodies) tend to have what I would consider to be very unhealthy habits. In many cases, I have yet to see any of them eat a single piece of produce, as they “eat” only protein powders and other “laboratory” foods. This, after knowing them and socializing with them for years…..[/quote]
CA renter, you’re absolutely correct: there are many overweight (labeled) people out there that are healthier than their slender fellow citizens. There’s a lot of individual-specific factors, aside from weight, that go into the equation for good health and longevity: heredity, emotional health, relationship status, environment, mental attitude, etc. However, there is an abundance of empirical data that clearly indicates the causal relationship between morbid obesity and health risk. Don’t quote me, but I believe that the jury is still out on many cancers. But morbid and super obesity very often results in chronic diseases and disorders such as heart disease, diabetes, sleep apnea, hypertension/stroke, and musculoskeletal pain and disability. These are difficult to treat, and have an extremely low rate of cure in the absence of weight loss. The cost to society, to the patient’s family, and to the patient is extremely high, in terms of health care delivery, strain on relationships, and lost or reduced work hours and capabilities.
On the opposite extreme, I think that scientists and researchers are fully aware of the extraordinary health risks posed by eating disorders. However, I think that this information has not been completely disseminated throughout the medical care provider community. This is not unusual: practitioners are typically so busy handling their patient load that they are unable to keep up with advances and discoveries in biomedical research. Add the cultural predisposition against obese people, and – you got it – a lot of unhealthy skinny people flying under the radar.
I’m not in favor of the government monitoring of people’s flawed eating habits; I’d be much happier if they would make it easier for people to get regular exercise. But I’m not necessarily against public information campaigns and taxes on zero-nutrition foods (to be earmarked for covering excessive obesity-related health costs). It seemed to help with smoking: many fewer tobacco-related diseases and deaths, with concomittantly lowered health costs.
I think they need to stay away from the ad agency that did the Hidden Valley Ranch salad dressing ads, though. Every time I see kids choosing raw vegetables over ice cream, I practically split a gut laughing. Possibly explained by my experiences raising four kids of my own.
Participant[quote=CA renter]
An overweight person is labled “overweight” no matter if it’s from over-eating or lack of exercise, or body type (endomorphic, for example), or other reasons (certain medicines, hormones, etc.). If a person weighs more than XX pounds, they are automatically labeled “overweight” or “obese.”
….Many underweight people with eating disorders are very likely to not be labled as having an eating disorder, IMHO, because they can convince others that they are “naturally” skinny or that they are simply “fit.”…The “fittest” people we know (work out for hours each day and carefully watch everything that enters their bodies) tend to have what I would consider to be very unhealthy habits. In many cases, I have yet to see any of them eat a single piece of produce, as they “eat” only protein powders and other “laboratory” foods. This, after knowing them and socializing with them for years…..[/quote]
CA renter, you’re absolutely correct: there are many overweight (labeled) people out there that are healthier than their slender fellow citizens. There’s a lot of individual-specific factors, aside from weight, that go into the equation for good health and longevity: heredity, emotional health, relationship status, environment, mental attitude, etc. However, there is an abundance of empirical data that clearly indicates the causal relationship between morbid obesity and health risk. Don’t quote me, but I believe that the jury is still out on many cancers. But morbid and super obesity very often results in chronic diseases and disorders such as heart disease, diabetes, sleep apnea, hypertension/stroke, and musculoskeletal pain and disability. These are difficult to treat, and have an extremely low rate of cure in the absence of weight loss. The cost to society, to the patient’s family, and to the patient is extremely high, in terms of health care delivery, strain on relationships, and lost or reduced work hours and capabilities.
On the opposite extreme, I think that scientists and researchers are fully aware of the extraordinary health risks posed by eating disorders. However, I think that this information has not been completely disseminated throughout the medical care provider community. This is not unusual: practitioners are typically so busy handling their patient load that they are unable to keep up with advances and discoveries in biomedical research. Add the cultural predisposition against obese people, and – you got it – a lot of unhealthy skinny people flying under the radar.
I’m not in favor of the government monitoring of people’s flawed eating habits; I’d be much happier if they would make it easier for people to get regular exercise. But I’m not necessarily against public information campaigns and taxes on zero-nutrition foods (to be earmarked for covering excessive obesity-related health costs). It seemed to help with smoking: many fewer tobacco-related diseases and deaths, with concomittantly lowered health costs.
I think they need to stay away from the ad agency that did the Hidden Valley Ranch salad dressing ads, though. Every time I see kids choosing raw vegetables over ice cream, I practically split a gut laughing. Possibly explained by my experiences raising four kids of my own.
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