[Dukehorn]

Allan,

I’ll try to be polite.

I’m intrigued to see (as ex-military) what your thoughts are on the the torture memos and the recent Supreme Court decision on habeas corpus.

Let’s toss out the econ BS because we have no clue on how McCain and Obama will impact the economy. It’s in the tank.

Let’s toss out the stupidity about off-shore drilling since it’s pretty clear that whatever we will be able to pull up will have a marginal impact since global demand is way up.

As for nuclear energy, I’m pro-nuclear, but after Chernobyl and 3 Mile Island, let’s just face the facts that it’s a hard sell.

I’ll ask your views on what I deem are pretty critical social justice issues.

a) Is there a right to privacy even though it’s not explicitly outlined in the Constitution or Bill of Rights

b) Is there separation of church and state? Should intelligent design be taught as “Science” (and if you’re an engineer, I’m hoping that your answer is pretty basic as it relates to how even engineers are taugh re: scientific theory (and “facts”).)

c) Should there be political “officers” that dictate what NIH and NASA scientists/engineers should be stating to the public?

d) Is habeas corpus only available to American citizens?

Seriously, would be interested in your thoughts (esp. after the recently disclosed “screening” at the DOJ for political leanings).

As for expensive social programs, you have any opinions on what’s been more expensive to this country: all those liberal programs versus (a) military program cost overruns (oh yeah, I reviewed a bit of the bidding process), (b) Savings and loan bail-out, (c) Enron and Sarbanes-Oxley, and (d) this mortgage mess.

Somehow, it’s disingenuous to criticize social programs when the military can’t rein its military spending (how effective was the Sergeant York or the Patriot missile system? How much did we spend on the Osprey?) and then complain about the government trying to help the poor when the penalty for white collar crimes that actually impact the economy is so limited.

[Dukehorn]

Heaven forbid that folks actually go to the symphony or the opera (or that our parents made us play the piano) because it’s insufferably “elite”.

I’m pretty torn between SD and SF. Let’s see:

Better museums: SF (but how often do I go?)
Better road biking: SF (up to Skyline down to the coast and Santa Cruz, not really matched by SD at all)

Better mountain biking: SF (lot more terrain)
Better skiing: Tahoe versus Mountain High??
Better culture: Yep, it’s true
Rockclimbing: Shade towards SF with local rock and Yosemite
Whitewater: Norcal definitely over SoCal.

More exciting companies: Have lots of friends at google and apple. Interesting work. More interesting biotechs up in SF.

Better job market: Biotech is hurting in SD. I think I’ll color this one for the Bay Area.

More affordable: SD hands down

And frankly, after having experienced racism in North Carolina and Texas, I’d rather be in a more liberal city.

Colored me prejudice but I’m certainly happy not living in a state or city that promotes the creationism museum.

[Dukehorn]

Heaven forbid that folks actually go to the symphony or the opera (or that our parents made us play the piano) because it’s insufferably “elite”.

I’m pretty torn between SD and SF. Let’s see:

Better museums: SF (but how often do I go?)
Better road biking: SF (up to Skyline down to the coast and Santa Cruz, not really matched by SD at all)

Better mountain biking: SF (lot more terrain)
Better skiing: Tahoe versus Mountain High??
Better culture: Yep, it’s true
Rockclimbing: Shade towards SF with local rock and Yosemite
Whitewater: Norcal definitely over SoCal.

More exciting companies: Have lots of friends at google and apple. Interesting work. More interesting biotechs up in SF.

Better job market: Biotech is hurting in SD. I think I’ll color this one for the Bay Area.

More affordable: SD hands down

And frankly, after having experienced racism in North Carolina and Texas, I’d rather be in a more liberal city.

Colored me prejudice but I’m certainly happy not living in a state or city that promotes the creationism museum.

[Dukehorn]

Heaven forbid that folks actually go to the symphony or the opera (or that our parents made us play the piano) because it’s insufferably “elite”.

I’m pretty torn between SD and SF. Let’s see:

Better museums: SF (but how often do I go?)
Better road biking: SF (up to Skyline down to the coast and Santa Cruz, not really matched by SD at all)

Better mountain biking: SF (lot more terrain)
Better skiing: Tahoe versus Mountain High??
Better culture: Yep, it’s true
Rockclimbing: Shade towards SF with local rock and Yosemite
Whitewater: Norcal definitely over SoCal.

More exciting companies: Have lots of friends at google and apple. Interesting work. More interesting biotechs up in SF.

Better job market: Biotech is hurting in SD. I think I’ll color this one for the Bay Area.

More affordable: SD hands down

And frankly, after having experienced racism in North Carolina and Texas, I’d rather be in a more liberal city.

Colored me prejudice but I’m certainly happy not living in a state or city that promotes the creationism museum.

[Dukehorn]

Heaven forbid that folks actually go to the symphony or the opera (or that our parents made us play the piano) because it’s insufferably “elite”.

I’m pretty torn between SD and SF. Let’s see:

Better museums: SF (but how often do I go?)
Better road biking: SF (up to Skyline down to the coast and Santa Cruz, not really matched by SD at all)

Better mountain biking: SF (lot more terrain)
Better skiing: Tahoe versus Mountain High??
Better culture: Yep, it’s true
Rockclimbing: Shade towards SF with local rock and Yosemite
Whitewater: Norcal definitely over SoCal.

More exciting companies: Have lots of friends at google and apple. Interesting work. More interesting biotechs up in SF.

Better job market: Biotech is hurting in SD. I think I’ll color this one for the Bay Area.

More affordable: SD hands down

And frankly, after having experienced racism in North Carolina and Texas, I’d rather be in a more liberal city.

Colored me prejudice but I’m certainly happy not living in a state or city that promotes the creationism museum.

[Dukehorn]

Heaven forbid that folks actually go to the symphony or the opera (or that our parents made us play the piano) because it’s insufferably “elite”.

I’m pretty torn between SD and SF. Let’s see:

Better museums: SF (but how often do I go?)
Better road biking: SF (up to Skyline down to the coast and Santa Cruz, not really matched by SD at all)

Better mountain biking: SF (lot more terrain)
Better skiing: Tahoe versus Mountain High??
Better culture: Yep, it’s true
Rockclimbing: Shade towards SF with local rock and Yosemite
Whitewater: Norcal definitely over SoCal.

More exciting companies: Have lots of friends at google and apple. Interesting work. More interesting biotechs up in SF.

Better job market: Biotech is hurting in SD. I think I’ll color this one for the Bay Area.

More affordable: SD hands down

And frankly, after having experienced racism in North Carolina and Texas, I’d rather be in a more liberal city.

Colored me prejudice but I’m certainly happy not living in a state or city that promotes the creationism museum.

[Dukehorn]

Sort of like how Bush II was a hero compared to John Kerry.

Oh wait, one got a Silver Star and one got Quayled.

[Dukehorn]

Sort of like how Bush II was a hero compared to John Kerry.

Oh wait, one got a Silver Star and one got Quayled.

[Dukehorn]

Sort of like how Bush II was a hero compared to John Kerry.

Oh wait, one got a Silver Star and one got Quayled.

[Dukehorn]

Sort of like how Bush II was a hero compared to John Kerry.

Oh wait, one got a Silver Star and one got Quayled.

[Dukehorn]

Sort of like how Bush II was a hero compared to John Kerry.

Oh wait, one got a Silver Star and one got Quayled.

[Dukehorn]

Bah, sorry work-time typos–mixing up repatriation with reparations.

I know our government paid out. I’m just wondering if NavyDoc agrees with the payout since his ancestors happened to get here 30 years or so before it happened (as opposed to slavery).

Anyway, the ancestor thread is pretty tortured logic. If you became a citizen of this country, you accept the responsiblities and duties that came with US citizenship.

Based on that “when I came over” logic, you should be saying that the Constitution doesn’t apply to you since it was written before your ancestors came over.

Or a variant (the “when I came into existence” scenario). That’s like saying since a child was born in 2006, he isn’t accountable for all the fed deficit that accrued beforehand.

Just tell me where you’re willing to draw the bright line test with this brilliant argument.

[Dukehorn]

Bah, sorry work-time typos–mixing up repatriation with reparations.

I know our government paid out. I’m just wondering if NavyDoc agrees with the payout since his ancestors happened to get here 30 years or so before it happened (as opposed to slavery).

Anyway, the ancestor thread is pretty tortured logic. If you became a citizen of this country, you accept the responsiblities and duties that came with US citizenship.

Based on that “when I came over” logic, you should be saying that the Constitution doesn’t apply to you since it was written before your ancestors came over.

Or a variant (the “when I came into existence” scenario). That’s like saying since a child was born in 2006, he isn’t accountable for all the fed deficit that accrued beforehand.

Just tell me where you’re willing to draw the bright line test with this brilliant argument.

[Dukehorn]

Bah, sorry work-time typos–mixing up repatriation with reparations.

I know our government paid out. I’m just wondering if NavyDoc agrees with the payout since his ancestors happened to get here 30 years or so before it happened (as opposed to slavery).

Anyway, the ancestor thread is pretty tortured logic. If you became a citizen of this country, you accept the responsiblities and duties that came with US citizenship.

Based on that “when I came over” logic, you should be saying that the Constitution doesn’t apply to you since it was written before your ancestors came over.

Or a variant (the “when I came into existence” scenario). That’s like saying since a child was born in 2006, he isn’t accountable for all the fed deficit that accrued beforehand.

Just tell me where you’re willing to draw the bright line test with this brilliant argument.

[Dukehorn]

Bah, sorry work-time typos–mixing up repatriation with reparations.

I know our government paid out. I’m just wondering if NavyDoc agrees with the payout since his ancestors happened to get here 30 years or so before it happened (as opposed to slavery).

Anyway, the ancestor thread is pretty tortured logic. If you became a citizen of this country, you accept the responsiblities and duties that came with US citizenship.

Based on that “when I came over” logic, you should be saying that the Constitution doesn’t apply to you since it was written before your ancestors came over.

Or a variant (the “when I came into existence” scenario). That’s like saying since a child was born in 2006, he isn’t accountable for all the fed deficit that accrued beforehand.

Just tell me where you’re willing to draw the bright line test with this brilliant argument.

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