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Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Inflation? high interest rates?
That was predicted in late 2008 with the bailout and stimulus bill.Had we tightened, we would have been much, much, much worse off.
I hear homeowners in Europe are now refinancing in the mid to high 2% per annum. I see some carry trade going on. Low rates will be around in the US for a while still, even if the Fed hikes rates.[/quote]
Worse off, or better off? Prices of things would have continued to go lower for a bit, so the purchasing power of those on fixed incomes — including workers — would have increased. Some jobs would have been lost, but the price of wages tends to be stickier than asset prices. The wealth and income gaps would have shrunk dramatically.
Who’s benefited from all of the manipulations? Asset owners. Who’s paid for it (and make no mistake, people are paying for it)? Savers, workers, and others on fixed incomes; people who were holding cash instead of other assets. Future generations who are now saddled with tons of debt and a much higher cost of living. These people have lost trillions of dollars, collectively speaking.
Oh, but the bankers and financiers are doing just fine, TYVM. And not a single person who was responsible for the devastation caused by all of the financial madness of the past 15 years has spent a day in jail, much less had to lose any money as a result of their financial terrorism. I’m sure they’re very grateful to people like you, Brian.
Please tell us how we’re better off as a result of all the manipulations, Brian, and take the *whole picutre* into consideration.
Participant[quote=Blogstar]CaRenter, You will just say any darn thing with complete disrespect of balance and objectivity and most of all men’s side of things. To me that’s anti-child and anti-family.
You can see here for instance that Warren Farrell a real Pariah.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rahimkanani/2011/09/05/the-need-to-create-a-white-house-council-on-boys-to-men/%5B/quote%5DYou’ve shown nothing but disrespect for the work that women have traditionally done throughout history. Your post doesn’t dispute anything that I’ve brought up. The need for a “White House Council on Boys and Men” is no different from the need for a “White House Council on White People.” Both white people and men, in general, have been the oppressors of others for most of human history (men have almost always had power over women, across cultures, geography, and time).
I’m sure you’d like to pretend that men and women (or white people and people of color) have always had equal power and opportunity for all of human history history, but that reality only exists in your own mind.
Answer this: Why is it that the work that has traditionally been done for the benefit white people (or men) by people of color (or women) always been paid less, if it was to be paid at all, than the “work” done by white people (and men)? Why is it that people of color and women have traditionally been owned by (white) men? Why is it that people of color and women have had to fight just to have the right to own property of any kind…or vote…or control their own bodies? Please answer that honestly.
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=FlyerInHi]Another way to look at this is on a happiness/satisfaction index.
Are you happier being a SAHP? If yes, then there’s no sacrifice.
If no, then why are you not out in the workforce?[/quote]
Okay, there are many people who would prefer to work outside of the home rather than stay home with the kids — including many mothers. Are they making sacrifices for the family if they are the primary/sole wage earner?[/quote]
If both people are satisfied with their lot, and there are no sacrifices made by either party, then it would seem to be an equitable transaction. But I think that what many people are missing is that the vast majority of SAHPs believe that there is a lifelong commitment on the part of both spouses. My guess is that a lot of wage-earning parents don’t understand this.
Participant[quote=Blogstar]I am impressed watching how fast the shine fades from people. Most my kids parents are younger, so I was meeting them and seeing them taking kids to kindergarten when they were 30-35ish. They looked so great.
7 years has knocked quite a bit off. Not saying people turned ugly like Dorian Grey. A lot of people are holding it together , but peaking in poise and beauty at 30 and showing signs of having been on the downward slide for several years at 40 is scary.It does happen faster with poor people in general but these aren’t poor people and it’s getting them.
Some pretty drastic cases even when there is no weight gain.[/quote]
Nothing kills beauty like changing hormones. Yes, it can affect women in their late 30s and early 40s. Lucky us. 🙁
Participant[quote=mike92104]Money[/quote]
^^^This.^^^
People in coastal communities are generally going to be wealthier. IMO, it’s a combination of having enough money to afford spa treatments, plastic surgery, personal trainers, good clothing (and those folks who help rich people find the right clothes…the word escapes me at the moment). A lot of the women I know around here (coastal North County) spend an inordinate amount of time and money on their appearance. I was one of only a few moms in my kid’s kindergarten class who didn’t have some kind of work done. Most of them went to the gym on a regular basis. Most had their hair and nails professionally done, too. You have to have quite a bit of time and money to be able to do all of this, and “average” people tend to have little of either time or money.
It’s also probably because money attracts beauty. The wealthiest people, especially men, can attract the most beautiful women. They will tend to have more beautiful children, too. And since looks, for both men and women, have an effect on how much money one makes, that’s probably a factor for both sexes, as well.
As for Silicon Valley, while there is a lot of money up there, I think that the hippie/feminist culture, along with the nerd culture (since so much of that money is in tech), might lend itself to the slightly less beautiful appearances of the people up there. Just a guess.
ParticipantSorry about the dup. Not sure how that happened.
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=Blogstar][quote=CA renter][quote=Blogstar]What control does any outside party have over what a sahm gets for her services? When would it ever make a difference what you think your work and sex are worth monetarily? How could anyone possibly destroy what you are doing with any agenda? This all sounds paranoid and weird. The whole thing looks like it’s based in some insecurity about justifying your existence.
I know a few stay at home moms and I can’t think of one who would be want to be caught dead talking like you do. Do you have friends who are all into sharing these ideas?[/quote]
Like I’ve said, Russ, I’ve spent years studying family formation trends and their economic effects on families and society. I don’t get my opinions from friends, I get them as a result of doing a lot of research. That’s why I know about Warren Farrell and Ann Crittenden, among many others who research and write about these topics.
How do these people affect what SAHPs get for their services? They actively work to change laws that were put in place to protect SAHPs — alimony, child support/custody, community property, etc. They have been chipping away at these protections for years. There is no paranoia on my part, but there is a lot of ignorance on your part, Russ.[/quote]
That’s the way it looks to me.
Are your views even in anyone else’s ballpark?[/quote]Very few people do the amount of research that I do. I’m almost OCD about researching things. Therefore, many of my views are not in most people’s ballpark. Most people blithely make their way though life, totally unaware of any possible threats until it’s too late.
(Also added some more to my post that you’ve quoted.)[/quote]
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Another way to look at this is on a happiness/satisfaction index.
Are you happier being a SAHP? If yes, then there’s no sacrifice.
If no, then why are you not out in the workforce?[/quote]
Okay, there are many people who would prefer to work outside of the home rather than stay home with the kids — including many mothers. Are they making sacrifices for the family if they are the primary/sole wage earner?
ParticipantOh, yes, other people are most certainly involved in trying to halt the attacks on SAHPs, Crittenden is one of them.
Too few people are willing/able to look into these things before it’s too late, which is why so few even know about it. That would mean that they’d have to actually consider what might happen to them many years down the road if things should go wrong. Very few people plan that far ahead, and many refuse to consider the fact that things might go wrong at a later date, especially if everything is hunky-dory at the moment. Doesn’t fit the fairytale, so it’s not mainstream knowledge.
ParticipantI had added this:
[quote=CA renter]
It’s also why we have a nuptial agreement that puts some of these protections back in place. It explicitly talks about the value of the SAH spouse’s contributions.
But a lot of parents aren’t even aware of these threats. I’m willing to bet that those SAHP friends of yours are in this category. Check out the thread where the woman was asking about moving here from NJ (IIRC) and how shocked she was when BG informed her of some of the custody and other issues she might have to face if she moved to CA and subsequently got divorced.
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Participant[quote=Blogstar][quote=CA renter][quote=Blogstar]What control does any outside party have over what a sahm gets for her services? When would it ever make a difference what you think your work and sex are worth monetarily? How could anyone possibly destroy what you are doing with any agenda? This all sounds paranoid and weird. The whole thing looks like it’s based in some insecurity about justifying your existence.
I know a few stay at home moms and I can’t think of one who would be want to be caught dead talking like you do. Do you have friends who are all into sharing these ideas?[/quote]
Like I’ve said, Russ, I’ve spent years studying family formation trends and their economic effects on families and society. I don’t get my opinions from friends, I get them as a result of doing a lot of research. That’s why I know about Warren Farrell and Ann Crittenden, among many others who research and write about these topics.
How do these people affect what SAHPs get for their services? They actively work to change laws that were put in place to protect SAHPs — alimony, child support/custody, community property, etc. They have been chipping away at these protections for years. There is no paranoia on my part, but there is a lot of ignorance on your part, Russ.[/quote]
That’s the way it looks to me.
Are your views even in anyone else’s ballpark?[/quote]Very few people do the amount of research that I do. I’m almost OCD about researching things. Most people blithely make their way though life, totally unaware of any possible threats until it’s too late.
(Also added some more to my post that you’ve quoted.)
Participant[quote=Blogstar]What control does any outside party have over what a sahm gets for her services? When would it ever make a difference what you think your work and sex are worth monetarily? How could anyone possibly destroy what you are doing with any agenda? This all sounds paranoid and weird. The whole thing looks like it’s based in some insecurity about justifying your existence.
I know a few stay at home moms and I can’t think of one who would be want to be caught dead talking like you do. Do you have friends who are all into sharing these ideas?[/quote]
Like I’ve said, Russ, I’ve spent years studying family formation trends and their economic effects on families and society. I don’t get my opinions from friends, I get them as a result of doing a lot of research. That’s why I know about Warren Farrell and Ann Crittenden, among many others who research and write about these topics.
It’s also why we have a nuptial agreement that puts some of these protections back in place. It explicitly talks about the value of the SAH spouse’s contributions.
But a lot of parents aren’t even aware of these threats. I’m willing to bet that those SAHP friends of yours are in this category. Check out the thread where the woman was asking about moving here from NJ (IIRC) and how shocked she was when BG informed her of some of the custody and other issues she might have to face if she moved to CA and subsequently got divorced.
So, how do these people affect what SAHPs get for their services? They actively work to change laws that were put in place to protect SAHPs — alimony, child support/custody, community property, no-fault divorce, etc. They have been chipping away at these protections for years. There is no paranoia on my part, but there is a lot of ignorance on your part, Russ.
Participant[quote=Blogstar]How does this work out in real life CAR, does your husband pay you? Does he know how and taking a shirt to the cleaners or how much sex costs? Are you putting the money in a separate savings account. If not what’s the point in worrying about it?[/quote]
It’s not so much about me, personally, as it is about family and divorce law, in general. The feminists are trying to paint a picture of SAHPs as parasites who deserve nothing in return for their services. They are actively undermining the protections for SAHPs that many have worked so hard for over the years. Feminists like BG will do everything in their power to prevent people from having any choice at all. They have a very specific agenda, and they will stop at nothing in order to see it though. They believe there is only one way to raise a family (if one should even have a family) — their way is the only way they see fit to “parent.” They don’t care how many lives are destroyed in the process. That’s what I have a problem with.
And, yes, he pays me in the form of financial security. We both acknowledge the value of each other’s contributions. Neither one of us questions the fact that a transaction is being made where work and money are concerned, and we both feel that we are getting a good deal — he’ll be the first to tell you this.
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