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September 11, 2008 at 10:37 PM in reply to: Senators want Fannie and Freddie to freeze foreclosures #269226
CA renter
ParticipantI agree that the GSEs needed to be taken over, ONLY because these bonds are in ALL our investments. Our banks own them, our pension plans own them, our insurance companies own them, our brokerage firms own them, our money market funds own them, our cities own them…you get the picture.
That being said, the bondholders should have been made whole (or close to it), but the subordinated debt, preferred and common shares should not have been made whole (with some exceptions, perhaps…and these are also owned by “everyone”).
If the GSEs were taken over and wound-down (with bondholders being paid par or close to it), I would not have as much of a problem with it.
Problem is, they want to make it “temporary” and then send them back into the private market **when they are profitable again and the risks are gone!!!** This is what ticks me off.
God forbid the taypayers might actually get PAID (via lower taxes and/or deficits) for all their sacrifices/risk-taking and the GSEs might actually MAKE money when the govt owns them! They should NEVER be returned to the private market. The only reason they existed was because of the implicit (now explicit) backing of the U.S. govt. They could borrow money more easily and more cheaply, and keep the mortgage market more liquid.
If they no longer have the backing of the govt (in any form), they will be no different than a regular, private mortgage lender, and do not need to exist as GSEs. If they have any kind of backing, then they should be wholly-owned by the U.S. government (and all the rules and strict regulations that go with it) and the govt should get the profits during the good times if they (we) take the risks during the bad times.
September 11, 2008 at 10:37 PM in reply to: Senators want Fannie and Freddie to freeze foreclosures #269458CA renter
ParticipantI agree that the GSEs needed to be taken over, ONLY because these bonds are in ALL our investments. Our banks own them, our pension plans own them, our insurance companies own them, our brokerage firms own them, our money market funds own them, our cities own them…you get the picture.
That being said, the bondholders should have been made whole (or close to it), but the subordinated debt, preferred and common shares should not have been made whole (with some exceptions, perhaps…and these are also owned by “everyone”).
If the GSEs were taken over and wound-down (with bondholders being paid par or close to it), I would not have as much of a problem with it.
Problem is, they want to make it “temporary” and then send them back into the private market **when they are profitable again and the risks are gone!!!** This is what ticks me off.
God forbid the taypayers might actually get PAID (via lower taxes and/or deficits) for all their sacrifices/risk-taking and the GSEs might actually MAKE money when the govt owns them! They should NEVER be returned to the private market. The only reason they existed was because of the implicit (now explicit) backing of the U.S. govt. They could borrow money more easily and more cheaply, and keep the mortgage market more liquid.
If they no longer have the backing of the govt (in any form), they will be no different than a regular, private mortgage lender, and do not need to exist as GSEs. If they have any kind of backing, then they should be wholly-owned by the U.S. government (and all the rules and strict regulations that go with it) and the govt should get the profits during the good times if they (we) take the risks during the bad times.
September 11, 2008 at 10:37 PM in reply to: Senators want Fannie and Freddie to freeze foreclosures #269466CA renter
ParticipantI agree that the GSEs needed to be taken over, ONLY because these bonds are in ALL our investments. Our banks own them, our pension plans own them, our insurance companies own them, our brokerage firms own them, our money market funds own them, our cities own them…you get the picture.
That being said, the bondholders should have been made whole (or close to it), but the subordinated debt, preferred and common shares should not have been made whole (with some exceptions, perhaps…and these are also owned by “everyone”).
If the GSEs were taken over and wound-down (with bondholders being paid par or close to it), I would not have as much of a problem with it.
Problem is, they want to make it “temporary” and then send them back into the private market **when they are profitable again and the risks are gone!!!** This is what ticks me off.
God forbid the taypayers might actually get PAID (via lower taxes and/or deficits) for all their sacrifices/risk-taking and the GSEs might actually MAKE money when the govt owns them! They should NEVER be returned to the private market. The only reason they existed was because of the implicit (now explicit) backing of the U.S. govt. They could borrow money more easily and more cheaply, and keep the mortgage market more liquid.
If they no longer have the backing of the govt (in any form), they will be no different than a regular, private mortgage lender, and do not need to exist as GSEs. If they have any kind of backing, then they should be wholly-owned by the U.S. government (and all the rules and strict regulations that go with it) and the govt should get the profits during the good times if they (we) take the risks during the bad times.
September 11, 2008 at 10:37 PM in reply to: Senators want Fannie and Freddie to freeze foreclosures #269510CA renter
ParticipantI agree that the GSEs needed to be taken over, ONLY because these bonds are in ALL our investments. Our banks own them, our pension plans own them, our insurance companies own them, our brokerage firms own them, our money market funds own them, our cities own them…you get the picture.
That being said, the bondholders should have been made whole (or close to it), but the subordinated debt, preferred and common shares should not have been made whole (with some exceptions, perhaps…and these are also owned by “everyone”).
If the GSEs were taken over and wound-down (with bondholders being paid par or close to it), I would not have as much of a problem with it.
Problem is, they want to make it “temporary” and then send them back into the private market **when they are profitable again and the risks are gone!!!** This is what ticks me off.
God forbid the taypayers might actually get PAID (via lower taxes and/or deficits) for all their sacrifices/risk-taking and the GSEs might actually MAKE money when the govt owns them! They should NEVER be returned to the private market. The only reason they existed was because of the implicit (now explicit) backing of the U.S. govt. They could borrow money more easily and more cheaply, and keep the mortgage market more liquid.
If they no longer have the backing of the govt (in any form), they will be no different than a regular, private mortgage lender, and do not need to exist as GSEs. If they have any kind of backing, then they should be wholly-owned by the U.S. government (and all the rules and strict regulations that go with it) and the govt should get the profits during the good times if they (we) take the risks during the bad times.
September 11, 2008 at 10:37 PM in reply to: Senators want Fannie and Freddie to freeze foreclosures #269539CA renter
ParticipantI agree that the GSEs needed to be taken over, ONLY because these bonds are in ALL our investments. Our banks own them, our pension plans own them, our insurance companies own them, our brokerage firms own them, our money market funds own them, our cities own them…you get the picture.
That being said, the bondholders should have been made whole (or close to it), but the subordinated debt, preferred and common shares should not have been made whole (with some exceptions, perhaps…and these are also owned by “everyone”).
If the GSEs were taken over and wound-down (with bondholders being paid par or close to it), I would not have as much of a problem with it.
Problem is, they want to make it “temporary” and then send them back into the private market **when they are profitable again and the risks are gone!!!** This is what ticks me off.
God forbid the taypayers might actually get PAID (via lower taxes and/or deficits) for all their sacrifices/risk-taking and the GSEs might actually MAKE money when the govt owns them! They should NEVER be returned to the private market. The only reason they existed was because of the implicit (now explicit) backing of the U.S. govt. They could borrow money more easily and more cheaply, and keep the mortgage market more liquid.
If they no longer have the backing of the govt (in any form), they will be no different than a regular, private mortgage lender, and do not need to exist as GSEs. If they have any kind of backing, then they should be wholly-owned by the U.S. government (and all the rules and strict regulations that go with it) and the govt should get the profits during the good times if they (we) take the risks during the bad times.
CA renter
ParticipantGreat article!
Notice the tone, even of the Realtors. Everyone seems cautious about the increased prices and note that the high prices (in 2000!!!) were not good for the overall economy.
The bubble changed everyone’s perceptions (even the bears who think that $400K is an “affordable” house).
A quote from the article:
Affordability is the “single most important factor right now that will slow our market,” said Kristen Fowler, a real estate agent at Coldwell Banker Yorba Linda.
Apartment rents are at record highs, too, and that means potential home buyers are paying more for housing, cutting into their savings for a future down payment on a house or condominium.
Said Fowler: “If housing is not affordable for the masses, we won’t have enough buyers to go around.”
CA renter
ParticipantGreat article!
Notice the tone, even of the Realtors. Everyone seems cautious about the increased prices and note that the high prices (in 2000!!!) were not good for the overall economy.
The bubble changed everyone’s perceptions (even the bears who think that $400K is an “affordable” house).
A quote from the article:
Affordability is the “single most important factor right now that will slow our market,” said Kristen Fowler, a real estate agent at Coldwell Banker Yorba Linda.
Apartment rents are at record highs, too, and that means potential home buyers are paying more for housing, cutting into their savings for a future down payment on a house or condominium.
Said Fowler: “If housing is not affordable for the masses, we won’t have enough buyers to go around.”
CA renter
ParticipantGreat article!
Notice the tone, even of the Realtors. Everyone seems cautious about the increased prices and note that the high prices (in 2000!!!) were not good for the overall economy.
The bubble changed everyone’s perceptions (even the bears who think that $400K is an “affordable” house).
A quote from the article:
Affordability is the “single most important factor right now that will slow our market,” said Kristen Fowler, a real estate agent at Coldwell Banker Yorba Linda.
Apartment rents are at record highs, too, and that means potential home buyers are paying more for housing, cutting into their savings for a future down payment on a house or condominium.
Said Fowler: “If housing is not affordable for the masses, we won’t have enough buyers to go around.”
CA renter
ParticipantGreat article!
Notice the tone, even of the Realtors. Everyone seems cautious about the increased prices and note that the high prices (in 2000!!!) were not good for the overall economy.
The bubble changed everyone’s perceptions (even the bears who think that $400K is an “affordable” house).
A quote from the article:
Affordability is the “single most important factor right now that will slow our market,” said Kristen Fowler, a real estate agent at Coldwell Banker Yorba Linda.
Apartment rents are at record highs, too, and that means potential home buyers are paying more for housing, cutting into their savings for a future down payment on a house or condominium.
Said Fowler: “If housing is not affordable for the masses, we won’t have enough buyers to go around.”
CA renter
ParticipantGreat article!
Notice the tone, even of the Realtors. Everyone seems cautious about the increased prices and note that the high prices (in 2000!!!) were not good for the overall economy.
The bubble changed everyone’s perceptions (even the bears who think that $400K is an “affordable” house).
A quote from the article:
Affordability is the “single most important factor right now that will slow our market,” said Kristen Fowler, a real estate agent at Coldwell Banker Yorba Linda.
Apartment rents are at record highs, too, and that means potential home buyers are paying more for housing, cutting into their savings for a future down payment on a house or condominium.
Said Fowler: “If housing is not affordable for the masses, we won’t have enough buyers to go around.”
CA renter
ParticipantI had ordered the book,
- The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve
twice from Amazon and they cancelled the order both times (claiming they were out of stock, even though I waited for weeks on back-order). Conspiracy theory? 😉
Will review these links, and greatly appreciate the post/links!
CA renter
ParticipantI had ordered the book,
- The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve
twice from Amazon and they cancelled the order both times (claiming they were out of stock, even though I waited for weeks on back-order). Conspiracy theory? 😉
Will review these links, and greatly appreciate the post/links!
CA renter
ParticipantI had ordered the book,
- The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve
twice from Amazon and they cancelled the order both times (claiming they were out of stock, even though I waited for weeks on back-order). Conspiracy theory? 😉
Will review these links, and greatly appreciate the post/links!
CA renter
ParticipantI had ordered the book,
- The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve
twice from Amazon and they cancelled the order both times (claiming they were out of stock, even though I waited for weeks on back-order). Conspiracy theory? 😉
Will review these links, and greatly appreciate the post/links!
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