[CA renter]

[quote=Rich Toscano][quote=CA renter][quote=Rich Toscano]As I said in another post: “I understand that it’s a popular pastime to spread misinformation and conspiracy theories about this pandemic, but please don’t do it here.”

Disinformation like this does real harm. I don’t want it on this site. Thank you.[/quote]

Hi Rich. Just saw this now. What, precisely, is the “misinformation” or the “conspiracy theory” that you’re referring to? I’ve linked directly to the organizations’ own videos. I just want to be sure that we can have a clear understanding of the definition of these terms.

https://www.piggington.com/ot_countering_disinformation_and_propaganda_act_thoughts?page=4%5B/quote%5D

The misinformation is right in the title, which suggests that the Covid-19 pandemic was planned. This is an outlandish and dangerous assertion and I’m not even going to engage with it.

I’m not really sure how defining terms will help, but fwiw wikipedia’s definition of conspiracy theory seems pretty good — emphasis mine:

A conspiracy theory is an explanation for an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful groups, often political in motivation, when other explanations are more probable.

(In case being discussed here, VASTLY more probable).

I’m afraid you’ve just touched on my hot button issue here, CAR. I think the spread of misinformation is the single biggest threat facing our society, and I just won’t have this website be a part of it. Sorry. There are (unfortunately) plenty of other places on the internet to post this stuff.[/quote]

If we are not allowed to question the establishment’s narrative, then we are in deep, deep trouble. To believe that the wealthiest and most powerful people in the world don’t conspire to maintain and grow their wealth and power is the height of naivete. It happens every single day.

From the earliest days of this viral outbreak, people in power have been using it for political means. Governments around the world spend billions upon billions of dollars researching bioweapons and gain-of-function mutations. Do people believe they do this because they never intend to use these weapons?

If the goal of our pandemic response were to prevent deaths and health effects of the virus, would a global organization say this? This is what the United Nations has on their own website. [bold is mine…note who has chosen to use a global organizations’ slogan as their US presidential campaign slogan. -CAR]:

“23 March 2020 — The coronavirus pandemic presents an opportunity for the human family to act in solidarity and turn this crisis into an impetus to achieve the Sustainable Development Goals.

“The United Nations – and our global network of country offices — will support all Governments to ensure that the global economy and the people we serve emerge stronger from this crisis,” said Secretary-General António Guterres in his recent statement, expressing his firm determination to prevent the crisis from derailing sustainable development efforts while laying out a vision for the affected to build back better.”

https://www.un.org/en/un-coronavirus-communications-team/un-working-fight-covid-19-and-achieve-global-goals

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“Annual bioweapons-related funding for the following departments and agencies from FY2001 to FY2009 is summarized in Table 1: the Departments of Agriculture (USDA), Commerce, Defense (DOD), Energy (DOE), Health and Human Services (DHHS), Homeland Security (DHS), State, Veterans Affairs (VA), and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the National Science Foundation (NSF), and the United States Postal Service (USPS). Table 1 also includes funding for Project BioShield. As illustrated in Figure 1, annual bioweapons-related spending grew rapidly from FY2001 to FY2004. Excluding Project BioShield and one-time funding for the US Postal Service in FY2005, federal bioweapons-related funding has remained roughly steady at approximately $6.6 billion/year since FY2004.

Cumulative total funding by agency for the entire FY2001 to FY2009 period ($57.02 billion if the FY2009 request is funded in full) is illustrated in Figure 2, with DHHS funding broken down into its constituent agencies and offices (Food and Drug Administration (FDA), Health Resources and Services Administration (HRSA), the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), National Institutes of Health (NIH), and the Office of the Secretary (OS). Over 90% of all bioweapons-related funding goes to three lead departments: Health and Human Services, Defense, and Homeland Security (through which Project BioShield is funded).

In contrast to other preparedness efforts, biodefense research, development, testing, and evaluation (RDT&E) can be dual-use in nature: scientific knowledge, methods, and materials that can be used to protect against biological weapons can often also be used to develop biological weapons. The dual-use problem has become a significant national and international policy concern. In the United States, the National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity (NSABB) has been established under the auspices of the NIH, with ex officio representation from 16 Federal departments, agencies, and offices, in order to “provide advice, guidance, and leadership regarding biosecurity oversight of dual use research” to the Secretary of DHHS, the Director of the NIH, and the “heads of all federal departments and agencies that conduct or support life science research.”1Cumulative funding for biodefense RDT&E from FY2001 through FY2009 is nearly $24 billion, over 40% of all bioweapons-related funding since FY2001 (Table 2). Of this, approximately $2.4 billion has thus far been spent, allocated, or requested for improving existing or building at least 20 new high containment research facilities around the country, including 7 new biosafety level 4 (BSL-4) facilities for conducting work on dangerous pathogens such as the Ebola viruses and other hemorrhagic fever viruses. The Departments of Defense and Homeland Security are expected to request up to another $1 billion over the next five years for two of these BSL-4 facilities.”

https://fas.org/programs/bio/resource/documents/fy2009_bw_budget.pdf
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Multiple researchers have suggested that this virus cannot be natural in orgin. Even the MSM has had to reverse their position that it came from a fish market in Wuhan. They now say that it probably did come from a lab, probably from the Wuhan lab, with the only areas of disagreement being whether or not it was manmade or natural in origin, and whether or not the release was accidental or intentional.

Here’s what some of the viral experts have stated:

“Two possibilities should be considered for the origin of SARS-CoV-2: natural evolution or laboratory creation. In our earlier report titled “Unusual Features of the SARS-CoV-2 Genome Suggesting Sophisticated Laboratory Modification Rather Than Natural Evolution and Delineation of Its Probable Synthetic Route”, we disproved the possibility of SARS-CoV-2 arising naturally through evolution and instead proved that SARS-CoV-2 must have been a product of laboratory modification. Despite this and similar efforts, the laboratory creation theory continues to be downplayed or even diminished. This is fundamentally because the natural origin theory remains supported by several novel coronaviruses published after the start of the outbreak. These viruses (the RaTG13 bat coronavirus, a series of pangolin coronaviruses, and the RmYN02 bat coronavirus) reportedly share high sequence homology with SARS-CoV-2 and have altogether constructed a seemingly plausible pathway for the natural evolution of SARS-CoV-2. Here, however, we use in-depth analyses of the available data and literature to prove that these novel animal coronaviruses do not exist in nature and their sequences have been fabricated. In addition, we also offer our insights on the hypothesis that SARS-CoV-2 may have originated naturally from a coronavirus that infected the Mojiang miners.”

Yan, Li-Meng; Kang, Shu; Guan, Jie; Hu, Shanchang
https://zenodo.org/record/4073131

For the record, that link is to CERN’s data/research repository. It is NOT a “conspiracy theory” site. I mention this because I know that many people will jump to ignorant conclusions rather than actually doing any research.

Additionally, I have personally talked to lab researchers here in SD who have reluctantly agreed, off-the-record, that the chance of this virus being a random, natural virus is very small.
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Here’s an article about the US government’s use of biological weapons on US citizens 9other governments do the same thing). These were supposedly used for research, not outright warfare. What would it look like if these weapons were used for some type of warfare? Maybe it would cause significant enough damage that people would literally lock down the world.

https://www.businessinsider.com/military-government-secret-experiments-biological-chemical-weapons-2016-9?op=1#from-minneapolis-to-st-louis-1

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Rich, you should know by now that I do NOT peddle baseless conspiracy theories. All of my statements regarding these types of issues are well-researched and fact-checked. If I am stating an opinion, I will use “IMHO/IMO” or say, “I believe,” or “some suggest,” etc. If you disagree with something I say, please feel free to push back against it by using facts, data, and logic. Name-calling and ad hominem attacks don’t count.

In this video, Bill Gates and his related organizations (largely funded by him to push his agenda) do a tabletop exercise where a coronavirus pandemic causes widespread global damage and where the key players concern themselves more with “tracking and tracing” and censoring “disinformation” on the internet than they do with discovering the origins of the virus and containing it at its source. This happened on October 2019.

Event 201

“The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY. The exercise illustrated areas where public/private partnerships will be necessary during the response to a severe pandemic in order to diminish large-scale economic and societal consequences.”

https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

Event 201 video:

Of course, this could just be a coincidence. But we have to acknowledge that it might not be a coincidence.

Remember that the “Great Reset” video I had linked to in the first post was produced by the World Economic Forum, who helped put on the Event 201 exercise. In their video, they mention that the coronavirus provides an “unprecedented opportunity” to “advance their global goals.” The UN also states the same thing.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/

Shorter video with explanation/narrative about The Great Reset:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6pzXrEBqR0&feature=youtu.be

Intelligent, informed people cannot simply wish away the connections between these global organizations whose members represent some of the wealthiest and most powerful people in the world. We can also not ignore the fact that many of these same people have been funding the riots seen in the US since late May. This is not a genuinely socialist movement that advocates for the betterment of the world’s people. It is a plan to centralize wealth and power, with a specific focus on controlling all of the world’s natural resources. I’m not the only one who sees this. Many of the most well-known **leftist** journalists have been sounding the alarm as well.

This is not about “Democrats vs. Republicans.” This fight is between those of us who oppose tyranny and authoritarian control vs. neoliberal and neoconservative corporatist, warmongering, technocratic authoritarian globalist oligarchs. That is why we are seeing the rapid curtailment of our civil liberties — see the list regarding tyranny that I posted above.

[CA renter]

[quote=ltsddd][quote=CA renter]-Who is demanding that you think only certain thoughts — threatening you with physical violence, the loss of a job, or social ostracism if you venture out of their narrow scope of “acceptable” beliefs?

-Who wants to control where you can go, with whom you can go, when you can go, and under what conditions you can go?

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LOL. He said it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/graham-black-people-go-anywhere-in-south-carolina-if-conservative-2020-10%5B/quote%5D

Those who are not brainwashed can discern that he was referring to the ability to move up in position and status; he is not referring to the ability to physically move about.

From that very article:

“Graham then pointed to Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina, “the only African American Republican in the country,” he said. Graham also name-dropped “daughter of Indian Americans” Nikki Haley, who is the former governor of South Carolina.

“In South Carolina, folks, it’s not about the color of your skin or where you came from, it’s about your ideas,” Graham continued.”

https://www.businessinsider.com/graham-black-people-go-anywhere-in-south-carolina-if-conservative-2020-10

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THIS is why the country is so divided. The establishment and their media hacks have managed to manipulate the thinking of half the population. Please do your own research, read and watch entire video, audio, or text sources. Seek out multiple perspectives from intelligent people who also do their own research if you’re still not sure what to think about a topic. Stop parroting the media. They do not have your best interests at heart.

[CA renter]

In response to another poster who asked about the authoritarianism that I’m concerned about, here are some of the disturbing trends that I’ve seen.

Who are the tyrants?

Ask yourself:

-Who is censoring what you can read, write, speak, and hear?

-Who wants to limit what the press can write about?

-Who is demanding that you think only certain thoughts — threatening you with physical violence, the loss of a job, or social ostracism if you venture out of their narrow scope of “acceptable” beliefs?

-Who wants to control where you can go, with whom you can go, when you can go, and under what conditions you can go?

-Who wants to take away your ability to worship when, where, and with whom you want to worship?

-Who wants to make sure that you don’t have the ability to defend yourself against a tyrannical government?

-Who wants to impose a technocratic surveillance state, where everything you do or say or read or write or buy is monitored and recorded?

-Who demands that you take a knee, or prostrate yourself at their feet?

-Who demands that you raise a fist for their cause, like a closed-fisted Nazi salute, or risk bodily or other harm if you refuse?

-Who believes that violence is an acceptable means of forcing decent, law-abiding people to obey their commands?

-Ask yourself who wants to have the power to shut down your business and control your ability to provide for yourself and your family. Who advocates for policies and movements that put small businesses out of business, once again centralizing power and forcing people to transact only with a handful of large companies who work hand-in-hand with these authoritarian rulers?

-Who wants to concentrate all of the world’s wealth and power into the fewest possible hands under a one-world government that will mandate where you can live, what you can eat, how much energy you can use, and how much water you can use to bathe and drink? https://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/sustainable-consumption-production/

-Who wants to force people out of their cars and limit their ability to freely transport themselves when and where they want (FTR, I like mass transit, but not if it’s the only option available)?

-Who attacks people who practice self-defense, instead of punishing the criminals who attack them? -Who encourages people to snitch on their friends and neighbors if they don’t comply with authoritarian orders?

-Who pushes for national or global control vs. local control (centralized power is the hallmark of authoritarianism)?

-Who advocates for authoritarian lockdowns and universal mandates vs. education, decentralized policies, and freedom?

-Who encourages violent mobs to confront people in their homes, threatening not only their target, but their target’s family and neighbors as well?

-Who advocates for “Truth and Reconciliation” commissions to investigate and punish people who think or vote differently than they do? https://twitter.com/RBReich/status/1317614803704115200

Seriously ponder these questions and ask yourself if you can honestly answer who the tyrants are.

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World Economic Forum – “The Great Reset”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCeHKBjAUI4 Event 201

– October 2019 tabletop exercise where they discuss a coronavirus pandemic and how they will need to control the internet and communications to prevent “disinformation” and “propaganda.”

[CA renter]

[quote=Rich Toscano]As I said in another post: “I understand that it’s a popular pastime to spread misinformation and conspiracy theories about this pandemic, but please don’t do it here.”

Disinformation like this does real harm. I don’t want it on this site. Thank you.[/quote]

Hi Rich. Just saw this now. What, precisely, is the “misinformation” or the “conspiracy theory” that you’re referring to? I’ve linked directly to the organizations’ own videos. I just want to be sure that we can have a clear understanding of the definition of these terms.

https://www.piggington.com/ot_countering_disinformation_and_propaganda_act_thoughts?page=4

[CA renter]

Is a coup being planned? It is being considered, at the very least. Pay attention to the speech restictions and censorship that has been tightening over the past few years, accelerating quickly since the virus lockdowns and riots started. Note who can and cannot be criticized. Pay attention to how people are being threatened for “speech violations.”

Multiple people I know who have lived under dictatorships have all expressed a growing fear of what’s coming. They all think that the virus (and the response) and riots seem synthetic and planned. I grew up with a mother who lived under two dictatorial regimes, and she warned about these very things. The lockdowns were a dry run. IMHO, we are in seriously dangerous territory right now. People better wake up.

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A group of Democratic Party insiders and former Obama and Clinton era officials as well as a cadre of “Never Trump” neoconservative Republicans have spent the past few months conducting simulations and “war games” regarding different 2020 election “doomsday” scenarios.

Per several media reports on the group, called the Transition Integrity Project (TIP), they justify these exercises as specifically preparing for a scenario where President Trump loses the 2020 election and refuses to leave office, potentially resulting in a constitutional crisis. However, according to TIP’s own documents, even their simulations involving a “clear win” for Trump in the upcoming election resulted in a constitutional crisis, as they predicted that the Biden campaign would make bold moves aimed at securing the presidency, regardless of the election result.

“Bipartisan” Washington Insiders Reveal Their Plan for Chaos if Trump Wins the Election

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“As if 2020 were not insane enough already, we now have Democrats and their ruling class masters openly talking about staging a coup. You might have missed it, what with the riots, lockdowns and other daily mayhem we’re forced to endure in this, the most wretched year of my lifetime. But it’s happening.

It started with the military brass quietly indicating that the troops should not follow a presidential order. They were bolstered by many former generals—including President Trump’s own first Secretary of Defense—who stated openly what the brass would only hint at. Then, as nationwide riots really got rolling in early June, the sitting Secretary of Defense himself all but publicly told the president not to invoke the Insurrection Act. His implicit message was: “Mr. President, don’t tell us to do that, because we won’t, and you know what happens after that.”’

https://americanmind.org/essays/the-coming-coup/
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“Dear General Milley:

As chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, you are well aware of your duties in ordinary times: to serve as principal military advisor to the president of the United States, and to transmit the lawful orders of the president and Secretary of Defense to combatant commanders. In ordinary times, these duties are entirely consistent with your oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic…”

We do not live in ordinary times. The president of the United States is actively subverting our electoral system, threatening to remain in office in defiance of our Constitution. In a few months’ time, you may have to choose between defying a lawless president or betraying your Constitutional oath. We write to assist you in thinking clearly about that choice. If Donald Trump refuses to leave office at the expiration of his constitutional term, the United States military must remove him by force, and you must give that order.”

https://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2020/08/all-enemies-foreign-and-domestic-open-letter-gen-milley/167625/

[CA renter]

Did George Soros predict a revolution before it happened? This is from January 2020, well before any “revolutionary situation” existed.

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“Liberal billionaire George Soros said Thursday that the U.S. economy could be headed for calamity as a result of President Donald Trump’s efforts to juice American business and stock prices ahead of the 2020 election.

“Trump’s economic team has managed to overheat an already buoyant economy,” Soros warned his guests at an informal dinner at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

“The stock market, already celebrating Trump’s military success, is breaking out to reach new heights,” he said. “But an overheated economy can’t be kept boiling for too long. If all this had happened closer to the elections, it would have assured his reelection.”

“His problem is that the elections are still 10 months away, and in a revolutionary situation, that is a lifetime,” Soros said.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/23/george-soros-warns-trump-of-potential-economic-doom-before-election.html

[CA renter]

[quote=Hobie]Just to bring you up to speed CAR, BrianSD1 has respawned into FlyerinHI now.

And we now have a new ignore button.[/quote]

Hi Hobie! Thank you for the update. Yes, I was still actively posting until a year or two ago (IIRC), so am familiar with Brian’s newer moniker. Flu outed him awhile ago. It was funny because once flu pointed it out, it was beyond obvious who FlyerinHI was. 🙂

Hope you are doing well. I’m not online as much these days, but look forward to seeing you around.

Cheers! 🙂

[CA renter]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=CA renter]They aren’t even trying to hide it anymore.
https://www.weforum.org/great-reset

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I m curious who they are what they’re trying to do.[/quote]

Watch the video and you’ll get a fair understanding of it.

It’s the globalists and New World Order crowd — think tanks, foundations, NGOs, corporations, finance, and the United Nations, among others. They are ushering in Agenda 21, which is now part of the “Sustainable Development Goals 2030.”

None of this is conspiracy theory. It’s conspiracy fact. It’s all in their documents: open borders, elimination of wealth inequality between individual people and countries, Human Habitation Zones where people will be permitted to live in high-density housing that is accessed primarily by public transit (like the apartment zoning where they’re allowed to build entire projects with NO off-street parking), no private cars (or high fees to drive or park them, with “black boxes” to track all of your movement), a “sharing economy” where people will not be allowed to own private property (and some want to eliminate private ownership of personal property like furniture, bikes, etc. — this is where the bike/scooter share ideas come from), 5G everywhere so they can track your movments and consumption (it’s all about very detailed data collection and control of your appliances and electronic equipment via “smart” devices, not faster Youtube videos — this is why they’re installing 5G with cameras and microphones on all the street lights and public buildings), veganism (or insects for protein), water/food/energy rationing, etc.

https://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/sustainable-development-goals/

https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/outcomedocuments/agenda21

[CA renter]

Thank you, Hobie! 🙂

[CA renter]

[quote=ltsddd][quote=Coronita]Now if a kid is directionless after a 4 year college, he/she probably wasted the equivalent of a starter home. So if there is any shred of doubt, maybe the JC route for some kids is a better option until they get their act together.
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I think every parent should give JC a hard look. Go to JC for 2 years then transfer, unless that freshman-year college experience is that important for the kid. Otherwise, don’t see why parents want to pay $30K/year just to take general ed at a UC school for the first 2 years.[/quote]

Agree 100%. I know a number of kids who are doing this (mostly homeschoolers), and they are saving thousands upon thousands of dollars in addition to having an easier time getting into the 4-year college of their choice. Nearly all of them have a 4.0 GPA with a couple who have a 3.8+ GPA. Not sure how their choice of majors is affecting the acceptance rates, but they aren’t having any problems getting into CSU schools at all. One, a math major, was accepted into every UC he applied to except UC Berkeley where he was waitlisted.

Many community colleges are offering free tuition through the Promise Program or Promise Grant. Even if one’s kid doesn’t qualify for free tuition, it’s still a heck of a lot cheaper than shipping them off to a 4-year university where they have to pay for room and board in addition to the tuition and fees for the first two years.

https://www.cccco.edu/About-Us/Chancellors-Office/Divisions/Educational-Services-and-Support/Student-Service/What-we-do/California-Promise

[CA renter]

[quote=svelte][quote=scaredyclassic]Its not THAT bad.

But i was really counting on sdsu. My top choice.

30k cheaper, plus an hour away to visit.

Kid cares a bit less than me
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But then again its not his 30k, and he isnt as excited about visits as i am.

Cal st san marcos i guess is my safety school[/quote]

I’m just a few miles from CSUSM, it’s a fine school. They are just standing up their school of engineering with the help of Viasat. I’m looking forward to it.

One of my kids went to school in northern Calif, probably partly because it was his father’s alma mater and partly to put distance in between him and his doting dad.

He now lives with wife and kid in SF and we just found out this week his wife is expecting twins. We’re all a little freaked out by that. But he’s planning on leaving SF now, and talking about possibly so cal or sacramento. he and his wife are making more $$ than they know what to do with, but they are feeling the strong urge to build a suburban nest, first time I’ve ever heard him talk like that!

back to school: it’s a lot more important that your kid attends a school he likes and has a good experience. That will motivate him/her to do well and, as long as they pick a good major and a decent school, it will all work out in the end. Been there, done that. A few times.[/quote]

Congratulations on the grandkids, Svelte! It sounds like you and your wife have done very well in life — professinoally and with your family.

[CA renter]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=gogogosandiego]This is timely.

“Meanwhile, a few things did correlate with support for Trump: a voter’s desire for their group to be dominant, as well as how much they disagreed with Clinton’s views on trade and China. Trump supporters were also more likely than Clinton voters to feel that “the American way of life is threatened,” and that high-status groups, like men, Christians, and whites, are discriminated against.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/04/existential-anxiety-not-poverty-motivates-trump-support/558674/
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That’s very interesting. But of course, the studies are by social scientists at universities so they are to the dismissed as elitist.

Maybe CArenter will tell us exactly what she heard from the horses’ mouths.[/quote]

FWIW, I don’t disagree with that post, and I’ve never dismissed someone because they were social scientists or “elitist.” BTW, in 2015, this same publication, The Atlantic, claimed: “Class, not ideology, has boosted Trump’s unconventional rise.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/the-billionaire-candidate-and-his-blue-collar-following/432783/

So, which one is right? 😉

But this is yet another example of how you project your thoughts, opinions, and perspectives onto other people. It also states the following in that article:

“Clinton defeated Trump handily among Americans making less than $50,000 a year.”

…which goes against your entire narrative about Trump’s voters being a bunch of dumb, white, unemployed rednecks (the majority of them make pretty decent money).

“For example, a March 2016 NBC survey that we analyzed showed that only a third of Trump supporters had household incomes at or below the national median of about $50,000. Another third made $50,000 to $100,000, and another third made $100,000 or more and that was true even when we limited the analysis to only non-Hispanic whites. If being working class means being in the bottom half of the income distribution, the vast majority of Trump supporters during the primaries were not working class.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/06/05/its-time-to-bust-the-myth-most-trump-voters-were-not-working-class/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0502779f05ee

But I would argue that Trump’s support is not based on “racism,” but survival instincts. Remember that almost 30% of the Hispanic voters voted for Trump, and this was after spending a year and a half hearing about how they were “racist, xenophobic bigots” or “white supremacists” or “Nazis” if they voted for him. I’ve known a lot of immigrants in my time, and know very few legal immigrants who favor illegal immigration. The conflating of illegal and legal immigrants is often offensive to those who’ve spent years of their lives and thousands of dollars (and taken English classes, studied for the test, etc.) to become U.S. citizens. And they are the first group to bear the brunt of the burdens caused by illegal immigration — they compete directly for the same jobs, housing, public resources, etc.

Americans (defined as U.S. citizens, including U.S. citizens who immigrated here) are trying to protect a particular way of life, one where dedication and hard work can provide economic and social opportunities that are seldom found in other countries (though that’s changing more and more these days). They want to protect their “tribe” (U.S. citizens, not necessarily race-based) from what they perceive as an attack on their culture, economy, religion, and way of life. That is a perfectly natural response to what they perceive as a rather vicious attack against them, and this belief is not unfounded…your (and Pri’s and zk’s) many posts provide ample evidence of what they’re talking about.

You can label them any way you’d like, but they are acting no differently than any other group of people would act if they were in the same situation.

[CA renter]

[quote=phaster][quote=gogogosandiego]This is timely.

“Meanwhile, a few things did correlate with support for Trump: a voter’s desire for their group to be dominant, as well as how much they disagreed with Clinton’s views on trade and China. Trump supporters were also more likely than Clinton voters to feel that “the American way of life is threatened,” and that high-status groups, like men, Christians, and whites, are discriminated against.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/04/existential-anxiety-not-poverty-motivates-trump-support/558674/
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anxiety all around,… is the new normal[/quote]

You can change it to this, and it would be equally true:

Meanwhile, a few things did correlate with support for Clinton: a voter’s desire for their group to be dominant, as well as how much they disagreed with Trump’s views on trade and China (globalization). Clinton supporters were also more likely than Trump voters to feel that “[their version] of the American way of life is threatened,” and that low-status groups, like women, Muslims (or athiests, or other religious faiths), and illegal immigrants (or any other “minority” group), are discriminated against.”

[CA renter]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=CA renter][quote=harvey][quote=CA renter]
As much as you, zk, and Brian like to complain about Trump and the people who voted for him (I voted for Jill Stein, not Trump, BTW), it’s people like you who are the reason Trump won. I have yet to see you win over a single person with all of your emotionally-based, ill-informed, and hateful rhetoric. If anything, you’ve made them feel more entrenched in their beliefs. Do you do this on purpose?[/quote]

This is a beautiful example of your “logic”:

– You did not vote for Trump.

– I did not vote for Trump.

– Therefore: I’m the reason he was elected.

It makes perfect sense, in your mind.[/quote]

Just review the vicious attacks, on any of your/zk/Brian’s anti-Trump threads, on those who think differently or are in a different position than you are. Look at how you refer to those other people. You, and people like you, are the reason that Trump won. Keep it up, and he’ll win again in 2020.[/quote]

CAr, this is weirdest logic and reeks of entitlement and inability to take responsibility on the part of Trump voters.

Trumpistas are responsible for the votes they cast. Nobody else can be blamed, except that Russia played their low IQs.

It would be easier to argue that your own association with Trump supporters and your sympathies with them enable them. You are guilty by association.[/quote]

You clearly have no clue as to why people voted for Trump. Look in the mirror.

FYI, most of my friends and family members voted for Jill Stein. You keep making assumptions — completely erroneous assumptions — that you’ve pulled straight out of your behind.

That being said, I spent the campaign season talking to people from various backgrounds and understand far better than you, Pri, and zk why people voted from Trump. You might want to try stepping out of that self-congratulatory echo chamber of yours; you might learn something for a change.

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If we didn’t love our house, which we consider our “forever” home, we would be very tempted to sell right now. I think the market is absolutely insane.

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