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ParticipantAll to pro comments I see here seem to assume that the care will be as good or better. In my opinion, you are wrong. The one thing I think most of us here agree on is that you can follow the money. I go to a doctor who takes no insurance (we submit it ourselves). But the care is excellent, much better than Scripps or Sharp, where I used to go. No waits, excellent service.
In reading many of these posts I hear a lot of whining about payment, which can only mean many here think the government should give them a free ride. Thats sad. If you have this opinion you are pretty sure you won’t achieve enough to cover yourself. It also means those of us who do have to pay for you. Why do I have to pay for you? You made your own decisions that have taken you to where you are in life. Maybe you didn’t create the illness (maybe you did), but you did make choices that affect how much you make. Health care is not a right. When it starts to degrade who will you complain to then?
Finally, it gives many people one (major) less reason to work and contribute to society. Yes, “everyone must buy health insurance, or else”. But if you have no money, what are they going to do?
This bill is further reducing the motivation to create things of value in this country. As we continue our economic decline as a country there will eventually not be enough revenue to tax.
Participantsocratt,
Dude, it IS speculation. I don’t think there is any prediction here that is not, regardless of how many bankers you have meet with. All anyone can do is guess, since market conditions are not the only force here. The guess/speculation of 10% is just that. The important point was that my guess (yes, my guess), based on the original poster’s 5% or 10% question. Are you saying that your counter point of “more than 10%” is not speculation?
“Bob, this is speculation at its best. Do yourself a favor and try not to throw numbers out. A higher than 10% decline is much more likely and the chances are if the banks were forced to release inventory there would be a much greater decline in many areas.”
Participantsocratt,
Dude, it IS speculation. I don’t think there is any prediction here that is not, regardless of how many bankers you have meet with. All anyone can do is guess, since market conditions are not the only force here. The guess/speculation of 10% is just that. The important point was that my guess (yes, my guess), based on the original poster’s 5% or 10% question. Are you saying that your counter point of “more than 10%” is not speculation?
“Bob, this is speculation at its best. Do yourself a favor and try not to throw numbers out. A higher than 10% decline is much more likely and the chances are if the banks were forced to release inventory there would be a much greater decline in many areas.”
Participantsocratt,
Dude, it IS speculation. I don’t think there is any prediction here that is not, regardless of how many bankers you have meet with. All anyone can do is guess, since market conditions are not the only force here. The guess/speculation of 10% is just that. The important point was that my guess (yes, my guess), based on the original poster’s 5% or 10% question. Are you saying that your counter point of “more than 10%” is not speculation?
“Bob, this is speculation at its best. Do yourself a favor and try not to throw numbers out. A higher than 10% decline is much more likely and the chances are if the banks were forced to release inventory there would be a much greater decline in many areas.”
Participantsocratt,
Dude, it IS speculation. I don’t think there is any prediction here that is not, regardless of how many bankers you have meet with. All anyone can do is guess, since market conditions are not the only force here. The guess/speculation of 10% is just that. The important point was that my guess (yes, my guess), based on the original poster’s 5% or 10% question. Are you saying that your counter point of “more than 10%” is not speculation?
“Bob, this is speculation at its best. Do yourself a favor and try not to throw numbers out. A higher than 10% decline is much more likely and the chances are if the banks were forced to release inventory there would be a much greater decline in many areas.”
Participantsocratt,
Dude, it IS speculation. I don’t think there is any prediction here that is not, regardless of how many bankers you have meet with. All anyone can do is guess, since market conditions are not the only force here. The guess/speculation of 10% is just that. The important point was that my guess (yes, my guess), based on the original poster’s 5% or 10% question. Are you saying that your counter point of “more than 10%” is not speculation?
“Bob, this is speculation at its best. Do yourself a favor and try not to throw numbers out. A higher than 10% decline is much more likely and the chances are if the banks were forced to release inventory there would be a much greater decline in many areas.”
ParticipantIf I read EconProf’s original post and intent correctly, I think he has the right idea (sorry if I am missing your point).
CA needs to run completely out of money and break the pension funds and unions before it can recover. Most companies (other than local services) are trying to find ways to move revenue generation out of CA, so that the inevitable tax increase will not destroy them. The best scenario is to find a way to live here and not pay huge taxes to CA.
Once the revenue generators are gone and not paying taxes, the only people left will be gov’t employees who pay tax on what the gov’t pays them. That will be the death spiral. Hope it happens as soon as possible. No ex city employee is worth $100k * 20 years = $2M, and many are higher than that.
To avoid any political slant I will point out that I am an Independent, and really don’t like either party. This is strictly an economic issue.
ParticipantIf I read EconProf’s original post and intent correctly, I think he has the right idea (sorry if I am missing your point).
CA needs to run completely out of money and break the pension funds and unions before it can recover. Most companies (other than local services) are trying to find ways to move revenue generation out of CA, so that the inevitable tax increase will not destroy them. The best scenario is to find a way to live here and not pay huge taxes to CA.
Once the revenue generators are gone and not paying taxes, the only people left will be gov’t employees who pay tax on what the gov’t pays them. That will be the death spiral. Hope it happens as soon as possible. No ex city employee is worth $100k * 20 years = $2M, and many are higher than that.
To avoid any political slant I will point out that I am an Independent, and really don’t like either party. This is strictly an economic issue.
ParticipantIf I read EconProf’s original post and intent correctly, I think he has the right idea (sorry if I am missing your point).
CA needs to run completely out of money and break the pension funds and unions before it can recover. Most companies (other than local services) are trying to find ways to move revenue generation out of CA, so that the inevitable tax increase will not destroy them. The best scenario is to find a way to live here and not pay huge taxes to CA.
Once the revenue generators are gone and not paying taxes, the only people left will be gov’t employees who pay tax on what the gov’t pays them. That will be the death spiral. Hope it happens as soon as possible. No ex city employee is worth $100k * 20 years = $2M, and many are higher than that.
To avoid any political slant I will point out that I am an Independent, and really don’t like either party. This is strictly an economic issue.
ParticipantIf I read EconProf’s original post and intent correctly, I think he has the right idea (sorry if I am missing your point).
CA needs to run completely out of money and break the pension funds and unions before it can recover. Most companies (other than local services) are trying to find ways to move revenue generation out of CA, so that the inevitable tax increase will not destroy them. The best scenario is to find a way to live here and not pay huge taxes to CA.
Once the revenue generators are gone and not paying taxes, the only people left will be gov’t employees who pay tax on what the gov’t pays them. That will be the death spiral. Hope it happens as soon as possible. No ex city employee is worth $100k * 20 years = $2M, and many are higher than that.
To avoid any political slant I will point out that I am an Independent, and really don’t like either party. This is strictly an economic issue.
ParticipantIf I read EconProf’s original post and intent correctly, I think he has the right idea (sorry if I am missing your point).
CA needs to run completely out of money and break the pension funds and unions before it can recover. Most companies (other than local services) are trying to find ways to move revenue generation out of CA, so that the inevitable tax increase will not destroy them. The best scenario is to find a way to live here and not pay huge taxes to CA.
Once the revenue generators are gone and not paying taxes, the only people left will be gov’t employees who pay tax on what the gov’t pays them. That will be the death spiral. Hope it happens as soon as possible. No ex city employee is worth $100k * 20 years = $2M, and many are higher than that.
To avoid any political slant I will point out that I am an Independent, and really don’t like either party. This is strictly an economic issue.
ParticipantOpinions will vary widely. Stay 5-10 years, probably ok. Have to sell in less than 5 years, maybe a 10%ish type loss. To me, even if it costs me 10%, if my quality of life goes up (meaning I am happier overall), its worth it.
ParticipantOpinions will vary widely. Stay 5-10 years, probably ok. Have to sell in less than 5 years, maybe a 10%ish type loss. To me, even if it costs me 10%, if my quality of life goes up (meaning I am happier overall), its worth it.
ParticipantOpinions will vary widely. Stay 5-10 years, probably ok. Have to sell in less than 5 years, maybe a 10%ish type loss. To me, even if it costs me 10%, if my quality of life goes up (meaning I am happier overall), its worth it.
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