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ParticipantNice straw man argument.
Actually it’s not a straw man argument. A straw man argument would be something akin to “You’re saying that we should be able to torture anyone anytime we like, but clearly if we do that then we’re completely evil!” A straw man involves taking someone’s position, distorting it, and then refuting it, which I did not do. Actually, I wasn’t even taking sides with my post.
I was merely pointing out that we really seem to enjoy discussing and thinking about torture based on how much TV and radio airtime is devoted to it, how many newspaper column inches are about it, how many blog posts are about it, and how many popular films have torture scenes. Even James Bond films have torture scenes now! It used to be that the villain would just set James up to snuff him on some elaborate device but now he must torture him first. On “24”, Jack Bauer is constantly having to torture people. Even on a great show like “Lost” we’ve got Sayid and his history as an Iraqi torturer.
And yes of course the “Saw” movies do well overseas, so people all around the world are just as sick as we are. Of course the movies themselves are actually made here. India has the biggest movie industry outside of the US (maybe even bigger), but their movies seem to be mostly love stories with lots of song and dance numbers and goofy moustachioed villains. Only the US, for some reason, seems to produce this disturbing torture pornography. What does this say about us?
ParticipantA lot of people moved to California in the 1930s, too. Ever read “The Grapes of Wrath?”
ParticipantA lot of people moved to California in the 1930s, too. Ever read “The Grapes of Wrath?”
ParticipantA lot of people moved to California in the 1930s, too. Ever read “The Grapes of Wrath?”
ParticipantA lot of people moved to California in the 1930s, too. Ever read “The Grapes of Wrath?”
ParticipantA lot of people moved to California in the 1930s, too. Ever read “The Grapes of Wrath?”
ParticipantIt says something about our society that we enjoy discussing torture techniques so much. What is torture, what isn’t torture, when you should torture, why you should torture, what sort of techniques are most effective, etc… It’s all over the TV, on talk radio, and even on a freaking housing bubble blog. There are unbelievably popular movies like the Saw and Hostel series that are nothing but a bunch of torture scenes stitched together. The French make movies about people cheating on their wives and we make movies about pulling each other’s eyes out. Let’s just come right out and say it:
We’re Americans and we love torture. We love thinking about it, we love talking about it, and we even occasionally enjoy doing it (but only when it’s really necessary. It isn’t a black&white world, you know!)
ParticipantIt says something about our society that we enjoy discussing torture techniques so much. What is torture, what isn’t torture, when you should torture, why you should torture, what sort of techniques are most effective, etc… It’s all over the TV, on talk radio, and even on a freaking housing bubble blog. There are unbelievably popular movies like the Saw and Hostel series that are nothing but a bunch of torture scenes stitched together. The French make movies about people cheating on their wives and we make movies about pulling each other’s eyes out. Let’s just come right out and say it:
We’re Americans and we love torture. We love thinking about it, we love talking about it, and we even occasionally enjoy doing it (but only when it’s really necessary. It isn’t a black&white world, you know!)
ParticipantIt says something about our society that we enjoy discussing torture techniques so much. What is torture, what isn’t torture, when you should torture, why you should torture, what sort of techniques are most effective, etc… It’s all over the TV, on talk radio, and even on a freaking housing bubble blog. There are unbelievably popular movies like the Saw and Hostel series that are nothing but a bunch of torture scenes stitched together. The French make movies about people cheating on their wives and we make movies about pulling each other’s eyes out. Let’s just come right out and say it:
We’re Americans and we love torture. We love thinking about it, we love talking about it, and we even occasionally enjoy doing it (but only when it’s really necessary. It isn’t a black&white world, you know!)
ParticipantIt says something about our society that we enjoy discussing torture techniques so much. What is torture, what isn’t torture, when you should torture, why you should torture, what sort of techniques are most effective, etc… It’s all over the TV, on talk radio, and even on a freaking housing bubble blog. There are unbelievably popular movies like the Saw and Hostel series that are nothing but a bunch of torture scenes stitched together. The French make movies about people cheating on their wives and we make movies about pulling each other’s eyes out. Let’s just come right out and say it:
We’re Americans and we love torture. We love thinking about it, we love talking about it, and we even occasionally enjoy doing it (but only when it’s really necessary. It isn’t a black&white world, you know!)
ParticipantIt says something about our society that we enjoy discussing torture techniques so much. What is torture, what isn’t torture, when you should torture, why you should torture, what sort of techniques are most effective, etc… It’s all over the TV, on talk radio, and even on a freaking housing bubble blog. There are unbelievably popular movies like the Saw and Hostel series that are nothing but a bunch of torture scenes stitched together. The French make movies about people cheating on their wives and we make movies about pulling each other’s eyes out. Let’s just come right out and say it:
We’re Americans and we love torture. We love thinking about it, we love talking about it, and we even occasionally enjoy doing it (but only when it’s really necessary. It isn’t a black&white world, you know!)
ParticipantSDEngineer has not seen ANY sign of the shadow inventory hitting the market. Its now safe to assume it never will and must simply evaporate into thin air leaving housing values un-affected by the magnitude of its enormity.
Unfortunately for us, RT66, the government is subsidizing the banks so that they can keep the shadow inventory in the shadows. Just like they cook the books on CPI, unemployment, and everything else. The banks know that they are ruined if the true values of these assets become known so they just get their buddies in the government to make sure that doesn’t happen…
ParticipantSDEngineer has not seen ANY sign of the shadow inventory hitting the market. Its now safe to assume it never will and must simply evaporate into thin air leaving housing values un-affected by the magnitude of its enormity.
Unfortunately for us, RT66, the government is subsidizing the banks so that they can keep the shadow inventory in the shadows. Just like they cook the books on CPI, unemployment, and everything else. The banks know that they are ruined if the true values of these assets become known so they just get their buddies in the government to make sure that doesn’t happen…
ParticipantSDEngineer has not seen ANY sign of the shadow inventory hitting the market. Its now safe to assume it never will and must simply evaporate into thin air leaving housing values un-affected by the magnitude of its enormity.
Unfortunately for us, RT66, the government is subsidizing the banks so that they can keep the shadow inventory in the shadows. Just like they cook the books on CPI, unemployment, and everything else. The banks know that they are ruined if the true values of these assets become known so they just get their buddies in the government to make sure that doesn’t happen…
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