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ParticipantPeople aren’t buying cars here in San Diego because they are too busy buying $600K houses in Carmel Valley. Once they get moved in I’m sure they’ll all get back to buying new BMWs and Lexii.
ParticipantYou have to be careful about “slave labor” even on goods labeled “made in USA”. The Northern Marianas Islands have had some pretty bad sweatshop situations. That’s a US Territory and it products manufactured there can be labeled “made in the USA”. But employers there have held employees as indentured slaves while they work off their rent – even forcing abortions so that workers could stay productive. (google marianas sweatshop for more details.) This is a situation that elected officials from both parties kept hushed up.
Actually I just watched an episode of that Current TV program “Vanguard” about this very topic. I think the title was “The Battle of Saipan”. Indeed there was a lot of manufacturing in the Marianas throughout the 80s and 90s as US manufacturers tried to undercut the US textile workers with lower cost labor while still keeping a “Made in the USA” label. But now almost all of that work has been moved to China or Vietnam. Only one of the many factories on Saipan is still operating and it will apparently close soon. The people there are in bad shape, especially the immigrants from China and India that were sent there to work in the factories. Many of them can’t afford to return home. Just another day on the global slave plantation I guess.
ParticipantYou have to be careful about “slave labor” even on goods labeled “made in USA”. The Northern Marianas Islands have had some pretty bad sweatshop situations. That’s a US Territory and it products manufactured there can be labeled “made in the USA”. But employers there have held employees as indentured slaves while they work off their rent – even forcing abortions so that workers could stay productive. (google marianas sweatshop for more details.) This is a situation that elected officials from both parties kept hushed up.
Actually I just watched an episode of that Current TV program “Vanguard” about this very topic. I think the title was “The Battle of Saipan”. Indeed there was a lot of manufacturing in the Marianas throughout the 80s and 90s as US manufacturers tried to undercut the US textile workers with lower cost labor while still keeping a “Made in the USA” label. But now almost all of that work has been moved to China or Vietnam. Only one of the many factories on Saipan is still operating and it will apparently close soon. The people there are in bad shape, especially the immigrants from China and India that were sent there to work in the factories. Many of them can’t afford to return home. Just another day on the global slave plantation I guess.
ParticipantYou have to be careful about “slave labor” even on goods labeled “made in USA”. The Northern Marianas Islands have had some pretty bad sweatshop situations. That’s a US Territory and it products manufactured there can be labeled “made in the USA”. But employers there have held employees as indentured slaves while they work off their rent – even forcing abortions so that workers could stay productive. (google marianas sweatshop for more details.) This is a situation that elected officials from both parties kept hushed up.
Actually I just watched an episode of that Current TV program “Vanguard” about this very topic. I think the title was “The Battle of Saipan”. Indeed there was a lot of manufacturing in the Marianas throughout the 80s and 90s as US manufacturers tried to undercut the US textile workers with lower cost labor while still keeping a “Made in the USA” label. But now almost all of that work has been moved to China or Vietnam. Only one of the many factories on Saipan is still operating and it will apparently close soon. The people there are in bad shape, especially the immigrants from China and India that were sent there to work in the factories. Many of them can’t afford to return home. Just another day on the global slave plantation I guess.
ParticipantYou have to be careful about “slave labor” even on goods labeled “made in USA”. The Northern Marianas Islands have had some pretty bad sweatshop situations. That’s a US Territory and it products manufactured there can be labeled “made in the USA”. But employers there have held employees as indentured slaves while they work off their rent – even forcing abortions so that workers could stay productive. (google marianas sweatshop for more details.) This is a situation that elected officials from both parties kept hushed up.
Actually I just watched an episode of that Current TV program “Vanguard” about this very topic. I think the title was “The Battle of Saipan”. Indeed there was a lot of manufacturing in the Marianas throughout the 80s and 90s as US manufacturers tried to undercut the US textile workers with lower cost labor while still keeping a “Made in the USA” label. But now almost all of that work has been moved to China or Vietnam. Only one of the many factories on Saipan is still operating and it will apparently close soon. The people there are in bad shape, especially the immigrants from China and India that were sent there to work in the factories. Many of them can’t afford to return home. Just another day on the global slave plantation I guess.
ParticipantYou have to be careful about “slave labor” even on goods labeled “made in USA”. The Northern Marianas Islands have had some pretty bad sweatshop situations. That’s a US Territory and it products manufactured there can be labeled “made in the USA”. But employers there have held employees as indentured slaves while they work off their rent – even forcing abortions so that workers could stay productive. (google marianas sweatshop for more details.) This is a situation that elected officials from both parties kept hushed up.
Actually I just watched an episode of that Current TV program “Vanguard” about this very topic. I think the title was “The Battle of Saipan”. Indeed there was a lot of manufacturing in the Marianas throughout the 80s and 90s as US manufacturers tried to undercut the US textile workers with lower cost labor while still keeping a “Made in the USA” label. But now almost all of that work has been moved to China or Vietnam. Only one of the many factories on Saipan is still operating and it will apparently close soon. The people there are in bad shape, especially the immigrants from China and India that were sent there to work in the factories. Many of them can’t afford to return home. Just another day on the global slave plantation I guess.
ParticipantThe root of US is immigrants. Do you think it would be easy for them (your ancestors) to “pack up their life and move to another country? … Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc” But they did that anyway for the pursuit of happiness. And now people think it is “better learn how to fix cars instead…”.
The US has always had a very open immigration policy, and that is a rare thing in the world. Try emigrating to China or Brazil and see how far you get. Better have some deep pockets or marry a local, bub. Want to emigrate to New Zealand? Better not be over 35 unless you’ve got some serious scratch to deposit in a bank there.
When most of our ancestors came here, the US was a growing country and needed people. They didn’t have to hire immigration attorneys or get visas, they just had to buy tickets and get on a boat for the most part. The world is mostly built out now. And the places that many of our jobs are being sent to have way too many people; the last thing those countries need is more immigrants and their policies reflect that reality.
Of course there are opportunities in other countries but they will mostly be available to the very young or those with significant resources (i.e. $$$) to exploit them. Most of your outsourced workers here in the US will not have the youth or the funds to do so.
ParticipantThe root of US is immigrants. Do you think it would be easy for them (your ancestors) to “pack up their life and move to another country? … Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc” But they did that anyway for the pursuit of happiness. And now people think it is “better learn how to fix cars instead…”.
The US has always had a very open immigration policy, and that is a rare thing in the world. Try emigrating to China or Brazil and see how far you get. Better have some deep pockets or marry a local, bub. Want to emigrate to New Zealand? Better not be over 35 unless you’ve got some serious scratch to deposit in a bank there.
When most of our ancestors came here, the US was a growing country and needed people. They didn’t have to hire immigration attorneys or get visas, they just had to buy tickets and get on a boat for the most part. The world is mostly built out now. And the places that many of our jobs are being sent to have way too many people; the last thing those countries need is more immigrants and their policies reflect that reality.
Of course there are opportunities in other countries but they will mostly be available to the very young or those with significant resources (i.e. $$$) to exploit them. Most of your outsourced workers here in the US will not have the youth or the funds to do so.
ParticipantThe root of US is immigrants. Do you think it would be easy for them (your ancestors) to “pack up their life and move to another country? … Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc” But they did that anyway for the pursuit of happiness. And now people think it is “better learn how to fix cars instead…”.
The US has always had a very open immigration policy, and that is a rare thing in the world. Try emigrating to China or Brazil and see how far you get. Better have some deep pockets or marry a local, bub. Want to emigrate to New Zealand? Better not be over 35 unless you’ve got some serious scratch to deposit in a bank there.
When most of our ancestors came here, the US was a growing country and needed people. They didn’t have to hire immigration attorneys or get visas, they just had to buy tickets and get on a boat for the most part. The world is mostly built out now. And the places that many of our jobs are being sent to have way too many people; the last thing those countries need is more immigrants and their policies reflect that reality.
Of course there are opportunities in other countries but they will mostly be available to the very young or those with significant resources (i.e. $$$) to exploit them. Most of your outsourced workers here in the US will not have the youth or the funds to do so.
ParticipantThe root of US is immigrants. Do you think it would be easy for them (your ancestors) to “pack up their life and move to another country? … Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc” But they did that anyway for the pursuit of happiness. And now people think it is “better learn how to fix cars instead…”.
The US has always had a very open immigration policy, and that is a rare thing in the world. Try emigrating to China or Brazil and see how far you get. Better have some deep pockets or marry a local, bub. Want to emigrate to New Zealand? Better not be over 35 unless you’ve got some serious scratch to deposit in a bank there.
When most of our ancestors came here, the US was a growing country and needed people. They didn’t have to hire immigration attorneys or get visas, they just had to buy tickets and get on a boat for the most part. The world is mostly built out now. And the places that many of our jobs are being sent to have way too many people; the last thing those countries need is more immigrants and their policies reflect that reality.
Of course there are opportunities in other countries but they will mostly be available to the very young or those with significant resources (i.e. $$$) to exploit them. Most of your outsourced workers here in the US will not have the youth or the funds to do so.
ParticipantThe root of US is immigrants. Do you think it would be easy for them (your ancestors) to “pack up their life and move to another country? … Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc” But they did that anyway for the pursuit of happiness. And now people think it is “better learn how to fix cars instead…”.
The US has always had a very open immigration policy, and that is a rare thing in the world. Try emigrating to China or Brazil and see how far you get. Better have some deep pockets or marry a local, bub. Want to emigrate to New Zealand? Better not be over 35 unless you’ve got some serious scratch to deposit in a bank there.
When most of our ancestors came here, the US was a growing country and needed people. They didn’t have to hire immigration attorneys or get visas, they just had to buy tickets and get on a boat for the most part. The world is mostly built out now. And the places that many of our jobs are being sent to have way too many people; the last thing those countries need is more immigrants and their policies reflect that reality.
Of course there are opportunities in other countries but they will mostly be available to the very young or those with significant resources (i.e. $$$) to exploit them. Most of your outsourced workers here in the US will not have the youth or the funds to do so.
ParticipantOtherwise, if you really want a job, you can at least migrate to the currency-manipulated country, and have a very decent life there.
Hohoho I love this answer. How many people do you really think have the ability to pack up their life and move to another country? Especially those in the position of “needing a job”. Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc… And even if they could, what would happen if people started doing this en masse? And more importantly — how many countries even allow people to immigrate? Most of the countries that have liberal immigration policies (US, Australia, Western Europe) are the ones that are losing jobs to Asian countries anyway.
Perhaps I will move to Bangalore when my job gets outsourced — oh wait then I would still be competing with the same guys that my job was outsourced to. Whoops. Better learn how to fix cars instead…
ParticipantOtherwise, if you really want a job, you can at least migrate to the currency-manipulated country, and have a very decent life there.
Hohoho I love this answer. How many people do you really think have the ability to pack up their life and move to another country? Especially those in the position of “needing a job”. Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc… And even if they could, what would happen if people started doing this en masse? And more importantly — how many countries even allow people to immigrate? Most of the countries that have liberal immigration policies (US, Australia, Western Europe) are the ones that are losing jobs to Asian countries anyway.
Perhaps I will move to Bangalore when my job gets outsourced — oh wait then I would still be competing with the same guys that my job was outsourced to. Whoops. Better learn how to fix cars instead…
ParticipantOtherwise, if you really want a job, you can at least migrate to the currency-manipulated country, and have a very decent life there.
Hohoho I love this answer. How many people do you really think have the ability to pack up their life and move to another country? Especially those in the position of “needing a job”. Most of those people don’t have enough money to hire an immigration attorney, get a work visa, buy tickets, set themselves up in another country, move their families, learn a new language, find a job there, etc… And even if they could, what would happen if people started doing this en masse? And more importantly — how many countries even allow people to immigrate? Most of the countries that have liberal immigration policies (US, Australia, Western Europe) are the ones that are losing jobs to Asian countries anyway.
Perhaps I will move to Bangalore when my job gets outsourced — oh wait then I would still be competing with the same guys that my job was outsourced to. Whoops. Better learn how to fix cars instead…
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