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ParticipantI was having a discussion with a friend of mine who is over 50 and works as a general contractor. He was complaining that he was paying $125/month for his health insurance.
Sorry but your friend is an idiot. The problem isn’t that we have to pay for healthcare, it’s that you can pay and pay and pay for years and then they can just kick you off the moment you get sick. Or deny you coverage from day one because you have a pre-existing condition. Or charge you outrageous premiums because you have been sick in the past.
As for those who think it should be a government benefit, it’s understandable considering how much we pay in tax. I’ll never forget my shock when a Swiss couple working in the US told me – “I can’t believe how much tax you pay here, and you don’t get anything for it!” Their taxes are lower than ours and they get subsidized (not free) GUARANTEED health care that can’t be denied from private insurance companies, university tuition paid, social security, etc… But of course they are Europeans and therefore they must be socialists and we can never have that sort of thing here.
The health care issue can be solved with a highly regulated private insurance system as in Switzerland. But that will never happen here because it would mean that the government could tell insurance companies what they can and can’t do. Here it is the other way — companies tell the government what it can and can’t do.
Things will never get better here, it is hopeless.
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ParticipantFree market has failed.
Actually it’s a little different than that — the system is failing because the healthcare “market” is ill-suited for a capitalist model. Capitalism works best when the time between the purchase of a good or service and the time when the purchaser can evaluate the quality of the good or service is short. Shoes are a good example, you choose them, wear them, and evaluate whether or not you like them. The market will tend to favor shoe companies who please their customers the most.
Now consider health insurance. You choose health insurance and pay for 10 or 15 years before getting cancer. Your provider refuses payment or just kicks you off because you once had acne. Now you won’t choose that provider again, but guess what — NO ONE ELSE WILL INSURE YOU because you have cancer. So you die and the insurance company still has your money.
This illustrates another problem with the healthcare “market”. Not everyone is allowed in. In the shoe market, anyone with money may purchase shoes. But in the healthcare market you can be denied entry through no fault of your own (and please spare us the stories of how everyone with cancer eats bad food or lives an unhealthy lifestyle).
Will this ever change in the US? I doubt it. People are going to have to get used to just not having healthcare and not being surprised when their insurance kicks them off or refuses to pay for treatment. That’s just the way it is here.
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ParticipantFree market has failed.
Actually it’s a little different than that — the system is failing because the healthcare “market” is ill-suited for a capitalist model. Capitalism works best when the time between the purchase of a good or service and the time when the purchaser can evaluate the quality of the good or service is short. Shoes are a good example, you choose them, wear them, and evaluate whether or not you like them. The market will tend to favor shoe companies who please their customers the most.
Now consider health insurance. You choose health insurance and pay for 10 or 15 years before getting cancer. Your provider refuses payment or just kicks you off because you once had acne. Now you won’t choose that provider again, but guess what — NO ONE ELSE WILL INSURE YOU because you have cancer. So you die and the insurance company still has your money.
This illustrates another problem with the healthcare “market”. Not everyone is allowed in. In the shoe market, anyone with money may purchase shoes. But in the healthcare market you can be denied entry through no fault of your own (and please spare us the stories of how everyone with cancer eats bad food or lives an unhealthy lifestyle).
Will this ever change in the US? I doubt it. People are going to have to get used to just not having healthcare and not being surprised when their insurance kicks them off or refuses to pay for treatment. That’s just the way it is here.
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ParticipantFree market has failed.
Actually it’s a little different than that — the system is failing because the healthcare “market” is ill-suited for a capitalist model. Capitalism works best when the time between the purchase of a good or service and the time when the purchaser can evaluate the quality of the good or service is short. Shoes are a good example, you choose them, wear them, and evaluate whether or not you like them. The market will tend to favor shoe companies who please their customers the most.
Now consider health insurance. You choose health insurance and pay for 10 or 15 years before getting cancer. Your provider refuses payment or just kicks you off because you once had acne. Now you won’t choose that provider again, but guess what — NO ONE ELSE WILL INSURE YOU because you have cancer. So you die and the insurance company still has your money.
This illustrates another problem with the healthcare “market”. Not everyone is allowed in. In the shoe market, anyone with money may purchase shoes. But in the healthcare market you can be denied entry through no fault of your own (and please spare us the stories of how everyone with cancer eats bad food or lives an unhealthy lifestyle).
Will this ever change in the US? I doubt it. People are going to have to get used to just not having healthcare and not being surprised when their insurance kicks them off or refuses to pay for treatment. That’s just the way it is here.
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ParticipantFree market has failed.
Actually it’s a little different than that — the system is failing because the healthcare “market” is ill-suited for a capitalist model. Capitalism works best when the time between the purchase of a good or service and the time when the purchaser can evaluate the quality of the good or service is short. Shoes are a good example, you choose them, wear them, and evaluate whether or not you like them. The market will tend to favor shoe companies who please their customers the most.
Now consider health insurance. You choose health insurance and pay for 10 or 15 years before getting cancer. Your provider refuses payment or just kicks you off because you once had acne. Now you won’t choose that provider again, but guess what — NO ONE ELSE WILL INSURE YOU because you have cancer. So you die and the insurance company still has your money.
This illustrates another problem with the healthcare “market”. Not everyone is allowed in. In the shoe market, anyone with money may purchase shoes. But in the healthcare market you can be denied entry through no fault of your own (and please spare us the stories of how everyone with cancer eats bad food or lives an unhealthy lifestyle).
Will this ever change in the US? I doubt it. People are going to have to get used to just not having healthcare and not being surprised when their insurance kicks them off or refuses to pay for treatment. That’s just the way it is here.
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ParticipantFree market has failed.
Actually it’s a little different than that — the system is failing because the healthcare “market” is ill-suited for a capitalist model. Capitalism works best when the time between the purchase of a good or service and the time when the purchaser can evaluate the quality of the good or service is short. Shoes are a good example, you choose them, wear them, and evaluate whether or not you like them. The market will tend to favor shoe companies who please their customers the most.
Now consider health insurance. You choose health insurance and pay for 10 or 15 years before getting cancer. Your provider refuses payment or just kicks you off because you once had acne. Now you won’t choose that provider again, but guess what — NO ONE ELSE WILL INSURE YOU because you have cancer. So you die and the insurance company still has your money.
This illustrates another problem with the healthcare “market”. Not everyone is allowed in. In the shoe market, anyone with money may purchase shoes. But in the healthcare market you can be denied entry through no fault of your own (and please spare us the stories of how everyone with cancer eats bad food or lives an unhealthy lifestyle).
Will this ever change in the US? I doubt it. People are going to have to get used to just not having healthcare and not being surprised when their insurance kicks them off or refuses to pay for treatment. That’s just the way it is here.
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ParticipantIt is going to get UGLY downtown. I met a couple a few months back that lived in a building over in little Italy. This is a nice building, built in 2001, I’ve known several people who live there. It is a big building though, and it has a ton of units. Anyway this couple reported that more and more of the units are becoming rentals. Apparently many of the tenants are young and are turning the place into party central on the weekends, throwing things off of balconies and taking over the pool area for big drinking bashes. Just imagine what’s going to happen when the rest of the dark towers downtown turn into rentals. There are so many units the rents are going to get pushed down in a hurry. There is going to be total mayhem, lots of partying and drinking and running wild through the halls.
Damn I wish I was 20 again.
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ParticipantIt is going to get UGLY downtown. I met a couple a few months back that lived in a building over in little Italy. This is a nice building, built in 2001, I’ve known several people who live there. It is a big building though, and it has a ton of units. Anyway this couple reported that more and more of the units are becoming rentals. Apparently many of the tenants are young and are turning the place into party central on the weekends, throwing things off of balconies and taking over the pool area for big drinking bashes. Just imagine what’s going to happen when the rest of the dark towers downtown turn into rentals. There are so many units the rents are going to get pushed down in a hurry. There is going to be total mayhem, lots of partying and drinking and running wild through the halls.
Damn I wish I was 20 again.
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ParticipantIt is going to get UGLY downtown. I met a couple a few months back that lived in a building over in little Italy. This is a nice building, built in 2001, I’ve known several people who live there. It is a big building though, and it has a ton of units. Anyway this couple reported that more and more of the units are becoming rentals. Apparently many of the tenants are young and are turning the place into party central on the weekends, throwing things off of balconies and taking over the pool area for big drinking bashes. Just imagine what’s going to happen when the rest of the dark towers downtown turn into rentals. There are so many units the rents are going to get pushed down in a hurry. There is going to be total mayhem, lots of partying and drinking and running wild through the halls.
Damn I wish I was 20 again.
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ParticipantIt is going to get UGLY downtown. I met a couple a few months back that lived in a building over in little Italy. This is a nice building, built in 2001, I’ve known several people who live there. It is a big building though, and it has a ton of units. Anyway this couple reported that more and more of the units are becoming rentals. Apparently many of the tenants are young and are turning the place into party central on the weekends, throwing things off of balconies and taking over the pool area for big drinking bashes. Just imagine what’s going to happen when the rest of the dark towers downtown turn into rentals. There are so many units the rents are going to get pushed down in a hurry. There is going to be total mayhem, lots of partying and drinking and running wild through the halls.
Damn I wish I was 20 again.
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ParticipantIt is going to get UGLY downtown. I met a couple a few months back that lived in a building over in little Italy. This is a nice building, built in 2001, I’ve known several people who live there. It is a big building though, and it has a ton of units. Anyway this couple reported that more and more of the units are becoming rentals. Apparently many of the tenants are young and are turning the place into party central on the weekends, throwing things off of balconies and taking over the pool area for big drinking bashes. Just imagine what’s going to happen when the rest of the dark towers downtown turn into rentals. There are so many units the rents are going to get pushed down in a hurry. There is going to be total mayhem, lots of partying and drinking and running wild through the halls.
Damn I wish I was 20 again.
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ParticipantWould it be accurate to assume that includes their fuel-focused agriculture?
Yeah I’m sure it includes that.
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ParticipantWould it be accurate to assume that includes their fuel-focused agriculture?
Yeah I’m sure it includes that.
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ParticipantWould it be accurate to assume that includes their fuel-focused agriculture?
Yeah I’m sure it includes that.
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