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ParticipantMy point, SK is that many/most? older illegal immigrants initially housed in the US by younger family members were supported by US taxpayers.
It it was known by the family member(s) who brought them over to live with them that they wouldn’t have been eligible for any benefits as an “illegal immigrant” and would not be able to be treated at US hospitals, ask yourself if the older family member would have decided to come to live in the US under those circumstances.
In short, the US laws and lack of immigration enforcement made it easy for illegal immigrants to come over and take advantage of us.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Wow, Lindsey Graham was pretty scathing in his criticism of Trump.
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I listened to the video, FIH. Among other inaccuracies, he states (in essence), “We cannot deport the grandmother of an American citizen who (may have) served in the military when they’ve done nothing but violate the immigration laws of this country …. and still retain the `Hispanic’ vote. Many `illegal aliens’ have been here a decade or more …”
Umm, the bolded portion of that statement (among others he made on the video) is highly inaccurate. That “illegal-alien grandparent” very likely did not have 40-quarters (or any quarters at all, for that matter) of bona-fide “work” in this country to qualify for OASDI (Social Security). Thus, many in this country illegally have successfully applied for and NOW RECEIVE Supplemental Security Income (SSI) payments every month and could very well have been doing so for well over 20 years by now!
. . . UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS MAY A “QUALIFIED ALIEN” BE ELIGIBLE FOR SSI BENEFITS?
If you are in one of the seven “qualified alien” categories listed above, you may be eligible for SSI if you also meet one of the following conditions:
1. You were receiving SSI and lawfully residing in the U.S. on August 22, 1996; . . . .
You may receive SSI for a maximum of seven years from the date DHS granted you immigration status in one of the following categories, and the status was granted within seven years of filing for SSI:
5. Refugee under Section 207 of the INA;
* Asylee under Section 208 of the INA;
* Alien whose deportation was withheld under Section 243(h) of the INA or whose removal is withheld under Section 241(b)(3) of the INA;
* Cuban or Haitian entrant” under Section 501(e) of the Refugee Education Assistance Act of 1980 or in a status that is to be treated as a “Cuban/ Haitian entrant” for SSI purposes; or
* “Amerasian immigrant” pursuant to P.L. 100-202, with a class of admission of AM-1 through AM-8.. . .
see: https://www.ssa.gov/ssi/spotlights/spot-non-citizens.htm
Also, who has been paying the medical bills of this group who ostensibly lived with relatives (some in the US legally) over the years? Did those residing in SoCal go back to Tijuana for routine medical care? Where did they go if they had a medical emergency? The following article, dated December 2014, explains the recent “amnesty law” applicable to members of the group Graham is referring to who apparently are now eligible for Medicare and Social Security without ever working one day in this country or putting one red cent into the “system” (never had any FICA deductions due to either only working “under the table” or never working at all):
. . .In a speech to the nation on November 20, the president extended amnesty to approximately five million illegal aliens who have been in the country more than five years, and/or have children who are American citizens, pass a criminal background check, and pay their fair share of taxes, although it’s unclear how the latter would be calculated.
The Department of Homeland Security is already seeking to hire 1,000 new permanent employees in Virginia to process millions of amnesty applications from illegal immigrants, which will culminate in their receiving Social Security numbers and green card work permits. Obama’s amnesty would be unprecedented if, unlike most government programs, it actually stays within its original cost and scope parameters. . .
The millions of dollars (billions?) in SSI, OASDI and Medicare benefits being paid to (undeserving) “illegal aliens” who are now “senior citizens” is not “nothing” as Graham indirectly alleges in the video. Of course, in his position, he must know better but is attempting to appeal to the emotions of the low-information voter.
The “Mexican grandparent” example made by Graham in the video is just the tip of the iceberg. There are other groups of senior-citizens and almost senior-citizens who came here legally in the last 40 years by the tens of thousands off the “sponsorship” of the military-member former spouse of their child. (The sponsor is now a “former spouse” because the American citizen military sponsor was often discarded AFTER the green card paperwork was successfully processed for 2, 4, 6 or even 8+ relatives of his foreign spouse (whom he “sponsored” for US citizenship with his SSN).
I know this from plenty of IRL experience and also the fact that Rep Bob Filner employed a clerk in his longtime office in South County SD for many years when he was our Rep in Congress. Her primary duty was to assist these (mostly Filipino) “constituents” with their applications for SSI and follow up on them until they began to receive payments. Many of these aging immigrants had been rendered homeless by the divorce of their child from the sponsor and/or foreclosure of the family home they were all residing in and had no means by which to support themselves.
So much for the the “sponsors” (including the newly-naturalized wives legally bringing over as many relatives as possible) being held to their sworn statement to the INS that they will support their parents in the US until they die (as a condition of bringing them here legally). Practically speaking, it seems that no sponsors are held to that promise, leaving US taxpayers to foot the bill for their support.
Many of the rules and regs of Homeland Security/INS need to be fixed and the loopholes closed up tight. They’re patently unfair to the US-citizen worker who has been making legitimate FICA contributions their entire lives and may never see a payback coming their way when they most need it due to the OASDI fund running out before they age into the program :=0
Participant[quote=outtamojo]I work in a hospital- 25 years now. When someone comes to me as a patient, they have no history– they are just a human being in need of help. Fvck those hospital workers if they are treating patients differently or lowering standards of care based on personal politics. They need to get another freaking job like border patrol or something as they are unfit for their present job…..[/quote]outtamojo, I never stated that “illegal aliens” were getting less care or a different “standard of care” than anyone else treated at the same hospital. I stated that they were coming over here by hook or crook close to their delivery dates and presenting themselves for delivery, often when there was no point of return (ie water broke, baby trying to come before they even arrive, etc). Of course, no one at the hospital realizes their true status until AFTER their (often “emergency”) delivery is performed and they are visited by a hospital social worker due to lack of English skills of the mother. This hospital employee is a Medi-Cal specialist. At that point, the hospital ends up stuck with the tab for maternity services.
It’s just another “unfunded mandate” that goes along with the territory of operating a business or government in a large metro area bordering MX.
If you want to know why healthcare is astronomically priced in this region, this phenomenon is a big part of your answer, folks. YOUR insurance payments to hospitals and the providers who contract with them is subsidizing this HUGE and continually-flowing “illegal-alien” group …. all over the state, but most of the medical services to this group are rendered within 15 miles inside the US border.
outtamojo, these MX National women who walk over the border (or are brought to local hospitals by private vehicle or the border patrol) very deliberately come here to deliver their child(ren) so they will be “anchor babies” for them to stay here. Especially if the father of the children is already working somewhere in the state (legally or illegally), leaving his family in MX and sending them remittances. It is a calculating move on their part and the US Homeland Security Dept allows their crossing with no questions asked if they have a border-crossing card or other ID to come here and “shop” or “visit family and friends for 1-2 days.” And “shop” they do but that ruse is undoubtedly used by female MX Nationals in their last trimester of pregnancy to successfully cross into the US to deliver their child(ren). Most of them don’t have a ready place to stay in the US close to the hospitals near the border for weeks or months while they await the birth of their child so they frequently wait until the 11th hour to cross into the US … when delivery is imminent.
outtamojo, I don’t know which hospital you work at (in SD County?) but this is a very frequent occurrence in South County hospitals … often taking place several times per week … even more than once daily.
I believe the hospitals around here would still have enough patients if they didn’t provide “unreimbursed” care for Mexican Nationals and wouldn’t have to lay any employees off. (They would actually be fiscally better off.) But not so for the public schools in the two South County public school districts. In some of them (elem schools), a VERY large percentage of their student populations are actually border-crossers (both MX National and “anchor baby” children) every day who are “hiding” behind the local address of a friend or relative or a longtime boarded up home that no one in the school districts has ever verified as “uninhabitable.” The address of a boarded-up property can (and was) used for up to 30 students attending multiple local public schools because the offices of each campus don’t compare notes with one another as to students using the same address to attend schools within the CVESD. Yes, if there was ever a change in rules and regs at the Int’l gates (for MX Nationals attempting to cross into the US with a MX passport, border crossing card and the like) as to time of day transporting obvious school children back and forth, driver or passenger in third trimester of pregnancy, etc, then a few of these Elem schools would likely have to shut down as the areas around them are 70-90% comprised of the over-55 crowd. The few children actually legitimately residing in the attendance areas of these schools would have to be bused to another public school. This would especially affect schools situated in older, low-density areas where there are few apt and condo units, if any.
Oh, and outtamojo, a patient coming into a hospital to deliver their pregnancy should have a “history” with them. They should ALREADY have their insurance cards on file with the delivering hospital as well as all of their prenatal care records, name and phone of obstetrician (who has practice rights at THAT hospital) as well as delivery date ALL on file with them. That’s the way it was for ME and I’m no spring chicken :=0 This is the way it’s always been! The moment I walked (or was rolled in) to the hospital to deliver my baby and presented my insurance card, the triage desk or front desk already KNEW who the h@ll I was and why I was there without me having to say anything. They were “expecting” me. As it should be.
Many “illegal alien” new moms delivering at US hospitals near the US/MX border have had minimal, if any, prenatal care and of course, there is no record of it anywhere. Of course, this lack of prenatal care often adds more maternity services at the time of delivery, thus adding to their (unreimbursed) bill for delivery.
Participant[quote=joec]Maybe some people are supporting Trump purely for his tougher sounding immigration stance. Some folks I spoke to know co-workers say that they are supporting Trump because they work in hospitals and am sick of all the free healthcare and lack of gratitude from illegals.
At the end of the day, I’m guessing a lot of these people just don’t care as much about all the other downsides of a Trump presidency, but want to shut down the thing that affects them the most.[/quote]joec, I have longtime friends who have worked in the hospitals in Chula Vista for decades (a couple of them more than 30 years). They’ve seen the “anchor-baby” stunt played out hundreds and hundreds of times at work … from the the portico driveway to the lobby to the elevator all the way to the maternity floor (for the ones who can hold on that long to deliver) :=0 It never ends. It’s a sieve of women who are nine months pregnant who either walk over or get dropped off on this side of the border for the express purpose of dropping their baby in the US … with “witnesses” so they can immediately get a US birth certificate and social security number for their “anchor baby.” This phenomenon still goes on all day, every day because the Homeland Security Dept will not turn away a walker, driver or passenger of a vehicle coming across the border who is obviously in her third trimester of pregnancy and doesn’t have any documents giving them the right to reside in the US. If she just has a visitor’s visa or border-crossing card or the like, she will just state at the gate that she’s “going to the mall” (we have 3 malls down here, one ~5 miles from the border, one ~8 miles from the border and one ~9 miles from the border).
Another group of pregnant women who are brought over by car (or successfully smuggled over, which is harder to do these days) usually end up at a relative’s house or “drop house” in 91910, 91911 or 92154 (Nestor/Otay Mesa). This group usually delivers within a week of arrival at Scripps Chula Vista in dtn CV (formerly Bay General Hospital).
There are portion of women about to deliver who try to cross the treacherous desert (directly east or west of the Otay Mesa border-crossing gates) to get here and the border patrol picks them up and usually takes them to …. “drumroll” …. Sharp Chula Vista Medical Center (“formerly CV Community Hospital”) instead of escorting them back over the border. Ditto for the pregnant border crossers with relatives in Otay Mesa (92154) or in the newer subdivisions of 91913, 91914 or 91915.
These “new or repeat moms” are all “charity cases” and/or “unreimbursed cases” cuz none of them can qualify for Medi-Cal, due to their (undocumented) status.
This scenario has been going on as long as I can remember and I moved from metro SD (dtn SD and East/SE SD) to South County in 1986.
I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if the CEO’s of both Sharp and Scripps begin to support Trump publicly.
The “legal” immigrant and “native” population of South County (95% of it) is beyond sick of this (as well as MX-citizen children taking up to hundreds of seats in each South County public school) and disgusted that nothing has been done, even after Homeland Security installed bright lights (on high beam at night), which can be seen up close and personal with binoculars out of windows of homes and businesses situated on hilltops up to four miles away.
I suspect there will be a shortage of Trump yard signs down here and Trump supporters will be stealing signs from somewhere else to display in their own yard, lol …
ParticipantWell, people, it looks as though Trump will take AZ by storm on Tuesday:
Almost a quarter million Republican ballots have already been cast in Arizona’s largest county, potentially giving Trump a big leg up in the primary, experts say.
“That banking of votes early on does help Trump tremendously, no matter what happens,” said Richard Herrara, a political science professor at Arizona State University. “He’s probably got a pretty sizable lead, so he’s just got to hold on.”
Statistics from Maricopa County, which includes Phoenix, show voters in Arizona’s largest county returned 249,703 ballots in the 2016 GOP presidential primary as of Thursday, more than the 248,128 cast for the entire 2012 contest.
Arizona is a big prize because the winner collects all 58 of its delegates.
“This has really been a different election season,” said Helen Purcell, the Maricopa County Recorder.
Trump has sizable advantages as primary day approaches.
He has been endorsed by former Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer and hard-line Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Recent polls have Trump up by 10 points or more.
However, the primary is closed, which means that only registered Republicans can vote, which may give rivals Ted Cruz and John Kasich an opening.
Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski said he’s optimistic about the outcome.
“We have a lot of support. Arizona is a state that has been hugely impacted by illegal immigration,” he told The Post…..
(emphasis mine)
http://nypost.com/2016/03/18/seems-like-arizona-republicans-cant-wait-to-vote-for-trump/
This tells me that many thousands of AZ Independents and Dems must have re-registered in time to cast their Republican absentee ballot, lol ….
The same thing can very well happen in CA, especially SoCal, which is greatly impacted by illegal immigration and where the budgets of local governments have been crucified by “unfunded mandates” caused from massive illegal immigration, and as a byproduct, the many thousands of “anchor babies” who made it possible for their (undocumented) parent(s) to remain in the country (the bulk of them born at one of two Chula Vista hospitals over the past 30 years).
Neighbors who are registered Republicans have told me that the Trump campaign has been heavily organizing on the ground for a spring blitz in the Golden State. SD and Imperial Counties are especially important as they are border counties. This is where the residents (as well as the hospitals and justice system) have been most directly impacted by illegal immigration, especially the population residing close to the international border (50th, 51st and portions of the 53rd Congressional Districts).
It’s going to be a fun spring and summer here in Cali, folks! Cox has been bombarding me with deeply-discounted “TV specials” now that I have once again turned in my cable box. Maybe, I’ll buy a case of microwave popcorn and take advantage of one of them around June-ish :=0
Participant[quote=no_such_reality]Looks like police have released the video from the gas station altercation.
http://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article66431532.html
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I watched it and observed a few things. Even though it was 3 am, no one from inside the Kwik Stop came out to see what was going on. Kwik Stop Convenience stores/gas stations are usually open 24 hours, esp in cities. Perhaps the attendant window was facing another direction.The MC driver was very tall, “white appearing” and young with long hair. He literally blocked the black car the college kids had just finished gassing up so they couldn’t leave without backing out (if there was no one parked behind them) and attempting to go around him. This was a very in-your-face, overt challenge. However, the kid pumping the gas had a hood on, so I’m not sure the MC driver could see what “race” each kid was before he drove up. In other words, it doesn’t yet seem to me like it was a planned “hate crime.”
The kid who claimed he tried to break up the fight (dark sweatshirt) didn’t try very hard, IMO. When he put his hands in his pockets and briefly stood near his trunk, I thought he was going to grab a tire bar or something from it, but he didn’t open it.
The gas-pumping kid in the dark sweatshirt made a call on his phone as the attacker was backing off towards his MC.
The kid who was banged up (in the light sweatshirt) had every opportunity to get a plate number when the MC driver got on his bike to drive away but apparently didn’t. He stood right behind the bike, motioning for the MC driver to leave … or “good riddance.”
The kid who wasn’t the primary attack target (gas-pumper, dark sweatshirt) had MULTIPLE opportunities to get that MC plate number but didn’t. Now they’re telling the press, essentially, that they were victims of a “hate crime” supposedly fueled by the Trump campaign.
Yes, it is definitely an assault but a “hate crime?”
I’ve been a passenger in a vehicle on several occasions where people have tried to run us off the road, brandish or flip us off, etc. THE VERY FIRST THING I’VE EVER DONE is GET THE PLATE NUMBER, even if I wrote it on my hand in eyeliner!
I guess I’m more geared to that due to my experience working in the criminal justice system but maybe the common person doesn’t think of it.
It will be very interesting to hear what any witnesses have to say.
ParticipantIt has crossed my mind that the attacker on the MC could be a university student as well … someone those kids were already acquainted with. Hence, them not bothering to get his plate number.
Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=bearishgurl][quote=SK in CV][quote=La Jolla Renter]
What about the biggest Obama care lie of all…“I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family’s premium by up to $2,500 a year.”
I have seen nothing but increases of my individual plan.[/quote]
How is this relevant to the discussion?
(Premiums have increased at the slowest rate in more than 3 decades since the law was passed.)[/quote]sk, you’re joking … right?? Do YOU have “obamacare?”
Oh, and this issue is extremely relevant to this discussion. The “obamacare debacle” is the biggest gubment scam of the 21st century and actually the biggest scam on our country’s people that I have ever seen in my lifetime. The ACA is a horrible hodgepodge collection of ill thought-out muck and mire that should have never seen the light of day, let alone actually become law![/quote]
No, I’m not joking. If you’re asking whether I have qualifying insurance, the answer is yes. Almost all medical insurance sold today is “Obamacare”, whether it is purchased on a state exchange, the federal exchange, bought on the open market, or through employment. You may think it’s a debacle. Believe it or not, what you think of it, doesn’t actually change the data much. And the data is that the uninsured rate is down substantially. No measurable number of people have lost their jobs as a result of the law. And premiums have risen at the slowest rate in decades. Your single experience is pretty much irrelevant.
And the discussion that brought it up had to do with socialism. So no, it is not any more relevant to the discussion than your experience.[/quote]I am aware that plans on and off the exchanges have to be “ACA compliant.” One large insurer that left SD at the end of 2013 returned in November of 2015 to offer two 2016 Bronze PPOs on the open market. Besides paying $2200+ month for a United Health PPO offered by my retirement assn, those open-market Bronze PPOs and my current exchange PPO are the only choices I have for PPOs in SD County. Those are all terrible choices but I have to take one and can’t afford the one my retirement assn offers.
I don’t know if the residents of AZ have more choice than we do but the “system” is really “sewed up” in CA. Essentially, there is just ONE PPO available in each of the 19 CC regions in CA.
SK, if you actually drill down to the facts, you will find that the reason there are so many more people “insured” today than were covered in 2013 is because they are on (expanded) Medicaid/Medi-Cal in the states which adopted it. In addition, more of the truly “poor” were rustled up and signed up for Medicaid/Medi-Cal by hundreds of “outreach groups” around the nation. In CA, somewhere between 65 and 75% of newly-covered (since 2013) individuals are now Medi-Cal recipients. Covered CA wants many more of their enrollees to be on Medi-Cal, ESPecially those currently accepting “subsidies” who are over 55 years old. CA very badly wants this population to be on Medi-Cal ASAP so the “clock” can begin running on their “managed-care premiums” for Medi-Cal (whether they ever visit MC providers … or not). This is the sole reason for many thousands of MC “forced placements” behind a CC enrollee’s back.
I don’t know if AZ (where you live) adopted expanded Medicaid or if they did, they will exercise their right to “estate recovery” on Medicaid managed care premiums as CA has done. CA has been gearing up for nearly a year now (mainly the AG’s office) to begin slapping open-ended liens on everyone over the age of 55 who owns real property in the state and has been on Medi-Cal even one month (and had one month of “managed care” premiums paid on their behalf) whether “forced placed” on Medi-Cal … or not. Of course, no property owner over the age of 55 and in their right mind wants a Medi-Cal lien on their property, ESPecially if they were “force-placed” into Medi-Cal against their will and/or without their knowledge.
You’re over 55, aren’t you SK? What does 12 months x $634 equal? That is currently the approximate monthly “managed care premium” (incl “admin fee”) for a monthly Medi-Cal managed care premium for the 55+ set in CA. Raise that by $12-$30 month per year and start tallying your lien beginning at age 55. 120 months = ten years. How much will the lien on your propertie(s) likely be by the time you reach 65 and are Medicare-eligible?
In essence, the ACA has taken away all our choices (caused multiple major carriers to leave our market) and “mandated” we buy a certain kind of healthplan. We must have a “comprehensive ACA-compliant” plan which, in CA, covers maternity services, autistic child services and a host of other services which a great many of us will never use or need. The “paternal” gubment has also declared that we are no longer allowed to have the (perfectly decent & affordable) HDHP plan we used to have because it had a $5K deductible and a $12K OOP maximum and we are all too stupid (and too “broke”) to “budget” for such an occurrence. It has also arbitrarily decided that some types of our pension income don’t count towards income for the purposes of qualifying for a subsidized healthplan on CC, knocking many middle-class and even upper middle-class CC enrollees over the age of 55 in the “Medi-Cal eligible” category weeks or months AFTER CC ALREADY determined their eligibility to sign up for a plan and their subsidy amounts for the year! Even though we will receive that pension every month for the rest of our lives! All these machinations have been done by CC/Medi-Cal for the sole purpose of future estate recovery.
Suffice to say, I have assisted 7 other individuals and families (besides myself) with signing up for a plan on CC and the story is always the same. All of these people (over-55 head of household) are homeowners (except one) and all are hounded mercilessly by CC 2-3 times per year to “prove” their incomes to CC over and over and over again in order to keep their plan.
Completely unbeknownst to me, I myself have been “bumped” from my plan by CC/Medi-Cal (after paying my premium on time every month automatically) 3 times in 2015 for a total of about 49 days. One time, I was on a 15-day road trip and only found out I had no coverage when I arrived home and found a letter from Medi-Cal in the mail. Thank G@d, I did not need to use my plan on my trip! I did manage to get the problem straightened out with Medi-Cal (for now) but NONE of the premiums I paid for the “uncovered” periods were ever refunded to me and my carrier refused to refund them to me and they rec’d my subsidy as well for those “uncovered” periods. They claim they didn’t disenroll me so they are not at fault! I am not alone but am one of tens of thousands of “moving targets” in CA for CC to incessantly hound in hopes of eventually turning into force-placed Medi-Cal recipients so the state can “lien” us forthwith to mark their rights to our estate.
I can’t imagine in my wildest dreams how non-computer savvy, non-former bureaucrats, and/or possibly English-challenged individuals are successfully “fixing” their forced Medi-Cal placements. It’s extremely difficult to do even for CC enrolled agents and the most savvy, ex-gubment bureaucrats (such as myself) with a full command of the English language!
CC enrollees under the age of 55 very likely wouldn’t even be bothered to “prove” their incomes and are able to keep their plans and file their tax returns …. in peace. Especially those with W-2 income as CALHEERS has access to the CA EDD records. Why is this so? No estate recovery is legally possible if they are on Medi-Cal so why bother?
It’s that simple. If you could put yourself in our shoes for even one moment, SK, you would think twice about signing up for “obamacare” in CA. I’m glad to hear that you found an acceptable off-exchange healthplan to purchase in your state. I am in hopes that at least one off-exchange carrier will offer at least ONE silver (or greater) PPO plan for 2017 in SD County this fall. We’ll see what happens.
And yes, this discussion is ALL RELEVANT to this thread!
Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=bearishgurl]The only other reason for this phenomenon is big manufacturing plants moving to other countries, leaving the longtime “nativist” population (in some areas, there has been very little, if any, immigration over the years) chronically unemployed and stuck with homes that don’t have any resale value. We’ve seen this scenario play out repeatedly in the news along the recent “campaign trail” in rust-belt and other midwestern and southern states.
Those are the only cases where immigration has not played a part in American “nativists” losing their longtime jobs, IMO. Ironically, these coveted jobs (formerly occupied by US “nativists”) went to foreign workers in their own countries for the express purpose of “Big Manufacturing” being able to get away with paying them 1/10th (on avg) the hourly rate their American employees were getting (plus being able to eliminate benefits and pensions).[/quote]
Huh? What “phenomenon” are you talking about? The lack of data to support your silly claims? This isn’t the least bit responsive to what I said. If there is evidence to back up what you said, I’d love to see it. I’ve looked. There isn’t any. Stories on the news are not data.[/quote]Are you not understanding that a good portion of the US auto plants and steel plants have moved to MX or overseas and (presumably) two more Ohio steel plants will be closing at the end of this month? Have you been paying attention to the many towns on the news who have hosted rallies for the candidates and the TV cameras touring around the decimated, idle former factories with the former workers and union reps who were interviewed?
It’s been all over the airwaves for about two months now.
Maybe you’re not paying attention to the campaign trail? That’s okay, but don’t act surprised now because you may be unaware of any of this.
edit: I recently read somewhere that the avg auto worker working in for an auto mfr in MX receives $2.22 to $2.70 hr (in US dollars). I’ll try to find that piece again and post it on this thread.
Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=bearishgurl]
In short, the large “Trump Village” complex appears in the photos to be well-built, well-located and well-landscaped and far from ever being considered a “slum.”[/quote]Do you think one photograph today of a trump building, built decades ago, is proof that he wasn’t a slum-lord? Fred Trump was a racist slum-lord. This idea isn’t a current invention. Woody Guthrie wrote about it more than 60 years ago.[/quote]sk, I’ve seen “tenement slums” in my life …. many times. I’ve seen them in Denver (they were starting to clear them out due to an “urban renewal” plan adopted by the city in the mid-late ’70’s) and I’ve seen them in Oakland … blocks and blocks of them … now razed (some due to BART track being laid). I understand “slum.” “Trump Village” most certainly is not one. If it was, it would have been razed decades ago as that land is too close-in and valuable to waste on “slums.”
And, except for a former infamous Navy Housing complex with metal trash cans and their lids chained to the sidewalk in Paradise Hills (now completely rebuilt), SD never had any “slums.” Not in Barrio Logan, not in Shelltown, not in Grant Hill, not even in Encanto or Lomita Village … or anywhere, for that matter. As a SD “native,” you are well aware of this, SK, and I’m sure you must know what a “slum” is … and isn’t.
Of course, I didn’t know Fred Trump and neither did you. I was thinking of ordering a kindle version of one of the (several) Trump family biographies currently available on Amazon. I’d be interested in learning more about the early years, when Trump and his siblings were kids.
Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=bearishgurl]
I’m not saying that all of the immigration allowed into the US was bad … I’m just saying that full employment for the “nativist sector” of the US population has dropped significantly in the past 20 years due to massive immigration into the country.[/quote]
I’m reasonably sure there is no data to back this up. This isn’t a matter of opinion. This is an assertion of an actual occurrence that can be measured and tested. It hasn’t happened.[/quote]The only other reason for this phenomenon is big manufacturing plants moving to other countries, leaving the longtime “nativist” population (in some areas, there has been very little, if any, immigration over the years) chronically unemployed and stuck with homes that don’t have any resale value. We’ve seen this scenario play out repeatedly in the news along the recent “campaign trail” in rust-belt and other midwestern and southern states.
Those are the only cases where immigration has not played a part in American “nativists” losing their longtime jobs, IMO. Ironically, these coveted jobs (formerly occupied by US “nativists”) went to foreign workers in their own countries for the express purpose of “Big Manufacturing” being able to get away with paying them 1/10th (on avg) the hourly rate their American employees were getting (plus being able to eliminate benefits and pensions).
Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=bearishgurl] And I’d like to add that Donald Trump was raised in Jamaica (Queens), NY. One of the first “real jobs” his father gave him was “managing” his many multi-story, brick behemoth, low-income rent-controlled apt buildings in Queens and Brooklyn (this was prior to the “Section 8” progam). He had to deal with this crowd as well as late rent-payers and even evictions. Even though Trump grew up in privilege and was sent to a military boarding school for HS, he has had plenty of experience in his life successfully interacting with Joe and Suzy 6p and that’s why he understands them so well.[/quote]His father made his fortune as a slum-lord. Donald learned how to be a slum-lord. He very well may have learned how to wield power in this position. Your characterization of his navigation of the slum-lord/tenant relationship as “successfully interacting with Joe and Suzy 6p” as well as your disdain for the poor is duly noted. That you consider this good presidential experience is truly abhorrent.[/quote]
sk, I don’t have any “disdain” for the “poor.” I actually live amonsgt the “Joe and Suzy 6p’s” of the world and consider myself one :=D That “colloquialism” has been oft-used by many on this board to describe everyday “real people,” representative of the masses in their locality and NOT a “celebrity” or member of the “5% club.”
Those former “low-income” buildings that used to belong to the Trumps are among the nicest buildings in town today! These older bldgs have much larger units in them than the newer-built buildings do and still have plenty of “rent-controlled” units. For example, a unit costing $220 monthly rent in 1977 costs only $630 month today for the same longtime tenant!
…“Fred Trump built for people like me,” says Sol Cooperman, 70, now a retired accountant who’s been in Trump Village since renting a $220 a month, two-bedroom apartment there in 1977. Today he pays just $630 a month for it. “I can afford a little decent housing. But Trump Place — who can afford that type of square footage paying $300,000, $400,000?”…
I CAN tell you that the (circa 1917) Banker’s Hill (SD) apartment I rented in 1978 for $225 month now rents for $1770 month … go figure :=0 Of course, it’s likely been “remodeled” a few times since then, lol …
In short, the large “Trump Village” complex appears in the photos to be well-built, well-located and well-landscaped and far from ever being considered a “slum.”
Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=La Jolla Renter]
What about the biggest Obama care lie of all…“I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family’s premium by up to $2,500 a year.”
I have seen nothing but increases of my individual plan.[/quote]
How is this relevant to the discussion?
(Premiums have increased at the slowest rate in more than 3 decades since the law was passed.)[/quote]sk, you’re joking … right?? Do YOU have “obamacare?”
Oh, and this issue is extremely relevant to this discussion. The “obamacare debacle” is the biggest gubment scam of the 21st century and actually the biggest scam on our country’s people that I have ever seen in my lifetime. The ACA is a horrible hodgepodge collection of ill thought-out muck and mire that should have never seen the light of day, let alone actually become law!
Participant[quote=La Jolla Renter]What about the biggest Obama care lie of all…
“I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family’s premium by up to $2,500 a year.”
I have seen nothing but increases of my individual plan.[/quote]Me too, LJ Renter. From 2014 to 2015, my “Obamacare (platinum) plan” increased by $122 mo and from 2015 to 2016, that same plan increased again by $170 mo. Since I have the only PPO offered in the SD region, I had to drop down to the Gold level for 2016 and my premium is currently $56 less per mo than last years premium (which was a platinum plan). I predict 20%+ rate hikes at the end of this year, which will undoubtedly cause me to drop down to the “Silver 73” plan if I stayed on Obamacare (I’m looking for a cost-effective way to get off of it at the end of this year). Currently my “subsidy” pays just ~37% of my now “heavily-inflated” monthly premium (now 231% of what it was BEFORE the ACA and ONLY because I dropped down to Gold). Also, in 2015, I lost 3 (out of 8) of the longtime providers I had been using intermittently for over ten years. Two of them finally “retired” and closed up shop, mainly out of sheer disgust with the low, low reimbursements post-ACA (acc to letters they sent their patients – me incl) and one of them left my plan, which, again, is the ONLY AVAILABLE (non-bronze) PPO marketed to individuals residing in SD County.
Due to the exit of SIX major PPO carriers from the state at the end of 2013 (who didn’t want to have anything to do with Covered CA … and rightly so), we now have no more choice in plans (but are told our plans must be “ACA compliant” to comply with the individual mandate). Obamacare provider reimbursements are now 1/2 to 1/4 of what they were prior to the ACA and Covered CA and county Medi-Cal offices as well as the IRS now “own” our a$$es if we are accepting any subsidy at all to assist with these (now exorbitant) premiums. These quasi-gubment and gubment entities can, will and very often DO bump us from our plans without telling us whilst simultaneously collecting our premiums (even more than once per year). These entities have the “authority” to decide unilaterally that we’re going on Medi-Cal (cuz they don’t “believe” the income we’re reporting and don’t “believe” the numbers on our tax returns), thereby causing us to have to “prove” our incomes to human county social workers (as if we’re on “public aid”) to have our Covered CA (CC) accounts “reinstated” (this takes many MONTHS). CC and Medi-Cal also BOTH fvck with the income numbers we reported to CC and change them to whatever they think they “should be” without informing us and we don’t find out until days, weeks, or months after it is done (assuming we know to log into CC and traverse to the proper screen on their nonsensical, clunky website to see exactly what they did). CC can’t even get a coverage “start date” correct. As such, they issued hundreds of thousands of 1095A forms for 2015 which were inaccurate and will screw up the taxpayer with the IRS if they elect to report the actual amount of subsidy they received (instead of the erroneously-reported amount by CC).
CC is supremely incompetent in every way, shape and form and the situation is so hopeless that it cannot possibly be fixed, people. As such, they should be summarily shut down and the sooner, the better. It’s a very sad “comedy of errors” which adversely affects the lives of so many undeserving citizens. I could go on and ON and ON here but I’ll just end this rant by adding that “obamacare” doesn’t exactly “work” on the “street-level” as its original proponents told us (or even envisioned that it would) and is the biggest dysfunctional mess I’ve ever seen in my life …. and this is coming from a former longtime “bureaucrat.” :=0
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