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[quote=Scarlett]Anybody thinks college will become less of a requirement for a decent job? Given that in 10 years from now not that many people would even get a college degree?

What about the idea that companies/employers offer college graduates a minimum pay AND assume the college debt – IF the graduate stays with them for X (5?10?) years. (equivalent of mortgage I suppose). Indentured servitude.[/quote]

I depends what you mean by “decent.” An HVAC technician starting at $27.10 per hr with upward mobility is “decent” for a 20 year old in my book. I don’t think ten years from now there will be less people working on college degrees but I think there are and will be too many incoming students who are qualified and want to attend CA public universities when there are insufficient billets. Thus, they will have to go private or out of state if they want to work on a four-year degree. This could cause some parents to move to another state at least one-year prior to HS graduation to establish residency. Or move after HS graduation and their new graduate taking one year off to work. Out-of-state tuition cost 2.5 to 3 times as much as in-state tuition. It is needless to pay that if the parents can otherwise transfer in their job(s) or obtain a new one.

I could see employers offering to pay for enrichment classes one at a time to employees who are taking classes in their line of work. But I don’t see them funding a four-year degree for an employee or assuming any of their college debt. Employers don’t actually CARE if their employees have longetivity with them or not. In CA, there are plenty of applicants waiting in the wings who will work for less.

Why should anyone else assume someone’s college loan? Most ex-students who have exorbitant loans to pay back used a portion of that money to party, go to Starbucks every day while in school and bought all new books when used ones were available for a fraction of the cost. Or they lived in an apt beyond their means and traveled excessively on school breaks. I don’t feel sorry for some of these students. They used their student loans like a credit card. Eventually it becomes time to pay it back. That’s the way life is. [end of rant]

[bearishgurl]

[quote=Scarlett]Anybody thinks college will become less of a requirement for a decent job? Given that in 10 years from now not that many people would even get a college degree?

What about the idea that companies/employers offer college graduates a minimum pay AND assume the college debt – IF the graduate stays with them for X (5?10?) years. (equivalent of mortgage I suppose). Indentured servitude.[/quote]

I depends what you mean by “decent.” An HVAC technician starting at $27.10 per hr with upward mobility is “decent” for a 20 year old in my book. I don’t think ten years from now there will be less people working on college degrees but I think there are and will be too many incoming students who are qualified and want to attend CA public universities when there are insufficient billets. Thus, they will have to go private or out of state if they want to work on a four-year degree. This could cause some parents to move to another state at least one-year prior to HS graduation to establish residency. Or move after HS graduation and their new graduate taking one year off to work. Out-of-state tuition cost 2.5 to 3 times as much as in-state tuition. It is needless to pay that if the parents can otherwise transfer in their job(s) or obtain a new one.

I could see employers offering to pay for enrichment classes one at a time to employees who are taking classes in their line of work. But I don’t see them funding a four-year degree for an employee or assuming any of their college debt. Employers don’t actually CARE if their employees have longetivity with them or not. In CA, there are plenty of applicants waiting in the wings who will work for less.

Why should anyone else assume someone’s college loan? Most ex-students who have exorbitant loans to pay back used a portion of that money to party, go to Starbucks every day while in school and bought all new books when used ones were available for a fraction of the cost. Or they lived in an apt beyond their means and traveled excessively on school breaks. I don’t feel sorry for some of these students. They used their student loans like a credit card. Eventually it becomes time to pay it back. That’s the way life is. [end of rant]

[bearishgurl]

[quote=Scarlett]Anybody thinks college will become less of a requirement for a decent job? Given that in 10 years from now not that many people would even get a college degree?

What about the idea that companies/employers offer college graduates a minimum pay AND assume the college debt – IF the graduate stays with them for X (5?10?) years. (equivalent of mortgage I suppose). Indentured servitude.[/quote]

I depends what you mean by “decent.” An HVAC technician starting at $27.10 per hr with upward mobility is “decent” for a 20 year old in my book. I don’t think ten years from now there will be less people working on college degrees but I think there are and will be too many incoming students who are qualified and want to attend CA public universities when there are insufficient billets. Thus, they will have to go private or out of state if they want to work on a four-year degree. This could cause some parents to move to another state at least one-year prior to HS graduation to establish residency. Or move after HS graduation and their new graduate taking one year off to work. Out-of-state tuition cost 2.5 to 3 times as much as in-state tuition. It is needless to pay that if the parents can otherwise transfer in their job(s) or obtain a new one.

I could see employers offering to pay for enrichment classes one at a time to employees who are taking classes in their line of work. But I don’t see them funding a four-year degree for an employee or assuming any of their college debt. Employers don’t actually CARE if their employees have longetivity with them or not. In CA, there are plenty of applicants waiting in the wings who will work for less.

Why should anyone else assume someone’s college loan? Most ex-students who have exorbitant loans to pay back used a portion of that money to party, go to Starbucks every day while in school and bought all new books when used ones were available for a fraction of the cost. Or they lived in an apt beyond their means and traveled excessively on school breaks. I don’t feel sorry for some of these students. They used their student loans like a credit card. Eventually it becomes time to pay it back. That’s the way life is. [end of rant]

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In answer to your question, Scarlett, parents and students aren’t going to pay for programs they can’t get classes for and can’t finish. They aren’t going to pay to drive several hundred miles per week back and forth to different campuses just to get the classes to finish up. When parents and students figure out that they aren’t getting any value for their money in the CSU and UC systems, then enrollments may fall at such a rate that those system priorities will change in order to sustain itself. Until then, the status quo prevails. The twice yearly fee hikes are all about fueling the retirements of system instructors and employees and keeping their pension fund solvent. Right now, in most degree programs, a student is NOT guaranteed to graduate in four years if they successfully complete all coursework. They are unable to because the classes are simply not offered, or not enough classes are offered to meet the demand of the upperclassmen who have been admitted to a particular program and need those classes for graduation.

[bearishgurl]

In answer to your question, Scarlett, parents and students aren’t going to pay for programs they can’t get classes for and can’t finish. They aren’t going to pay to drive several hundred miles per week back and forth to different campuses just to get the classes to finish up. When parents and students figure out that they aren’t getting any value for their money in the CSU and UC systems, then enrollments may fall at such a rate that those system priorities will change in order to sustain itself. Until then, the status quo prevails. The twice yearly fee hikes are all about fueling the retirements of system instructors and employees and keeping their pension fund solvent. Right now, in most degree programs, a student is NOT guaranteed to graduate in four years if they successfully complete all coursework. They are unable to because the classes are simply not offered, or not enough classes are offered to meet the demand of the upperclassmen who have been admitted to a particular program and need those classes for graduation.

[bearishgurl]

In answer to your question, Scarlett, parents and students aren’t going to pay for programs they can’t get classes for and can’t finish. They aren’t going to pay to drive several hundred miles per week back and forth to different campuses just to get the classes to finish up. When parents and students figure out that they aren’t getting any value for their money in the CSU and UC systems, then enrollments may fall at such a rate that those system priorities will change in order to sustain itself. Until then, the status quo prevails. The twice yearly fee hikes are all about fueling the retirements of system instructors and employees and keeping their pension fund solvent. Right now, in most degree programs, a student is NOT guaranteed to graduate in four years if they successfully complete all coursework. They are unable to because the classes are simply not offered, or not enough classes are offered to meet the demand of the upperclassmen who have been admitted to a particular program and need those classes for graduation.

[bearishgurl]

In answer to your question, Scarlett, parents and students aren’t going to pay for programs they can’t get classes for and can’t finish. They aren’t going to pay to drive several hundred miles per week back and forth to different campuses just to get the classes to finish up. When parents and students figure out that they aren’t getting any value for their money in the CSU and UC systems, then enrollments may fall at such a rate that those system priorities will change in order to sustain itself. Until then, the status quo prevails. The twice yearly fee hikes are all about fueling the retirements of system instructors and employees and keeping their pension fund solvent. Right now, in most degree programs, a student is NOT guaranteed to graduate in four years if they successfully complete all coursework. They are unable to because the classes are simply not offered, or not enough classes are offered to meet the demand of the upperclassmen who have been admitted to a particular program and need those classes for graduation.

[bearishgurl]

In answer to your question, Scarlett, parents and students aren’t going to pay for programs they can’t get classes for and can’t finish. They aren’t going to pay to drive several hundred miles per week back and forth to different campuses just to get the classes to finish up. When parents and students figure out that they aren’t getting any value for their money in the CSU and UC systems, then enrollments may fall at such a rate that those system priorities will change in order to sustain itself. Until then, the status quo prevails. The twice yearly fee hikes are all about fueling the retirements of system instructors and employees and keeping their pension fund solvent. Right now, in most degree programs, a student is NOT guaranteed to graduate in four years if they successfully complete all coursework. They are unable to because the classes are simply not offered, or not enough classes are offered to meet the demand of the upperclassmen who have been admitted to a particular program and need those classes for graduation.

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scaredy, I agree with your post except that my last kid will be starting out in community college. I don’t mind paying for part of 2 yrs of university over and above the aid we get. What I am more worried about is will students be able to finish in 4-5 years (2 yrs CC and 2+ yrs Univ). At the rate the State Univ system has been currently laying off professors and gutting programs, I see EVERY program impacted on EVERY campus, even in “armpits” such as Merced & Fresno. UC is also scaling down programs. How long is it going to take to obtain what used to be a four-year degree if a student has to work themselves up the food chain for a few extra years to take a required 400 level class being offered only on Tuesdays at 2:00 pm every other spring semester with a cap of 30 enrollments? Or attend 2-3 different campuses simultaneously in order to graduate? I think a lot of the layoffs have to do with CSU and UC attempting to eliminate professors right before retirement vesting. It’s getting ridiculous. Right now, a one year vocational school where a student clocks in 8 hrs a day, works and earns a certificate as an HVAC technician looks good. ROP anyone??

We have aid available in the amount of about $3500 per semester for 8 semesters but is it worth it to use it in a school in which you will spin your wheels for 8 years and never graduate from? Something has to be done to restore the programs at the university level in CA and stop the incessant fee hikes EVERY semester for the last 8 years. It that time, CSU has gone up more than 100%!

Also, I think there are and will be more kids from the millenium boom generation graduating from CA high schools than CA public universities have room for. Of course, not all HS graduates attend these schools, but I don’t see how impaction on ALL the campuses in each and every program offered can be averted. I don’t see applicants being able to freely pick and choose which campus they want to attend anymore. County resident applicants and other nearby residents may be given first preference in admissions, based upon GPA, of course. There will be many students turned away in the coming years.

A university degree isn’t the be-all and end-all for every HS graduate. There are many options out there.

None of my children have or will take out student loans, ever. I don’t believe in them.

[bearishgurl]

scaredy, I agree with your post except that my last kid will be starting out in community college. I don’t mind paying for part of 2 yrs of university over and above the aid we get. What I am more worried about is will students be able to finish in 4-5 years (2 yrs CC and 2+ yrs Univ). At the rate the State Univ system has been currently laying off professors and gutting programs, I see EVERY program impacted on EVERY campus, even in “armpits” such as Merced & Fresno. UC is also scaling down programs. How long is it going to take to obtain what used to be a four-year degree if a student has to work themselves up the food chain for a few extra years to take a required 400 level class being offered only on Tuesdays at 2:00 pm every other spring semester with a cap of 30 enrollments? Or attend 2-3 different campuses simultaneously in order to graduate? I think a lot of the layoffs have to do with CSU and UC attempting to eliminate professors right before retirement vesting. It’s getting ridiculous. Right now, a one year vocational school where a student clocks in 8 hrs a day, works and earns a certificate as an HVAC technician looks good. ROP anyone??

We have aid available in the amount of about $3500 per semester for 8 semesters but is it worth it to use it in a school in which you will spin your wheels for 8 years and never graduate from? Something has to be done to restore the programs at the university level in CA and stop the incessant fee hikes EVERY semester for the last 8 years. It that time, CSU has gone up more than 100%!

Also, I think there are and will be more kids from the millenium boom generation graduating from CA high schools than CA public universities have room for. Of course, not all HS graduates attend these schools, but I don’t see how impaction on ALL the campuses in each and every program offered can be averted. I don’t see applicants being able to freely pick and choose which campus they want to attend anymore. County resident applicants and other nearby residents may be given first preference in admissions, based upon GPA, of course. There will be many students turned away in the coming years.

A university degree isn’t the be-all and end-all for every HS graduate. There are many options out there.

None of my children have or will take out student loans, ever. I don’t believe in them.

[bearishgurl]

scaredy, I agree with your post except that my last kid will be starting out in community college. I don’t mind paying for part of 2 yrs of university over and above the aid we get. What I am more worried about is will students be able to finish in 4-5 years (2 yrs CC and 2+ yrs Univ). At the rate the State Univ system has been currently laying off professors and gutting programs, I see EVERY program impacted on EVERY campus, even in “armpits” such as Merced & Fresno. UC is also scaling down programs. How long is it going to take to obtain what used to be a four-year degree if a student has to work themselves up the food chain for a few extra years to take a required 400 level class being offered only on Tuesdays at 2:00 pm every other spring semester with a cap of 30 enrollments? Or attend 2-3 different campuses simultaneously in order to graduate? I think a lot of the layoffs have to do with CSU and UC attempting to eliminate professors right before retirement vesting. It’s getting ridiculous. Right now, a one year vocational school where a student clocks in 8 hrs a day, works and earns a certificate as an HVAC technician looks good. ROP anyone??

We have aid available in the amount of about $3500 per semester for 8 semesters but is it worth it to use it in a school in which you will spin your wheels for 8 years and never graduate from? Something has to be done to restore the programs at the university level in CA and stop the incessant fee hikes EVERY semester for the last 8 years. It that time, CSU has gone up more than 100%!

Also, I think there are and will be more kids from the millenium boom generation graduating from CA high schools than CA public universities have room for. Of course, not all HS graduates attend these schools, but I don’t see how impaction on ALL the campuses in each and every program offered can be averted. I don’t see applicants being able to freely pick and choose which campus they want to attend anymore. County resident applicants and other nearby residents may be given first preference in admissions, based upon GPA, of course. There will be many students turned away in the coming years.

A university degree isn’t the be-all and end-all for every HS graduate. There are many options out there.

None of my children have or will take out student loans, ever. I don’t believe in them.

[bearishgurl]

scaredy, I agree with your post except that my last kid will be starting out in community college. I don’t mind paying for part of 2 yrs of university over and above the aid we get. What I am more worried about is will students be able to finish in 4-5 years (2 yrs CC and 2+ yrs Univ). At the rate the State Univ system has been currently laying off professors and gutting programs, I see EVERY program impacted on EVERY campus, even in “armpits” such as Merced & Fresno. UC is also scaling down programs. How long is it going to take to obtain what used to be a four-year degree if a student has to work themselves up the food chain for a few extra years to take a required 400 level class being offered only on Tuesdays at 2:00 pm every other spring semester with a cap of 30 enrollments? Or attend 2-3 different campuses simultaneously in order to graduate? I think a lot of the layoffs have to do with CSU and UC attempting to eliminate professors right before retirement vesting. It’s getting ridiculous. Right now, a one year vocational school where a student clocks in 8 hrs a day, works and earns a certificate as an HVAC technician looks good. ROP anyone??

We have aid available in the amount of about $3500 per semester for 8 semesters but is it worth it to use it in a school in which you will spin your wheels for 8 years and never graduate from? Something has to be done to restore the programs at the university level in CA and stop the incessant fee hikes EVERY semester for the last 8 years. It that time, CSU has gone up more than 100%!

Also, I think there are and will be more kids from the millenium boom generation graduating from CA high schools than CA public universities have room for. Of course, not all HS graduates attend these schools, but I don’t see how impaction on ALL the campuses in each and every program offered can be averted. I don’t see applicants being able to freely pick and choose which campus they want to attend anymore. County resident applicants and other nearby residents may be given first preference in admissions, based upon GPA, of course. There will be many students turned away in the coming years.

A university degree isn’t the be-all and end-all for every HS graduate. There are many options out there.

None of my children have or will take out student loans, ever. I don’t believe in them.

[bearishgurl]

scaredy, I agree with your post except that my last kid will be starting out in community college. I don’t mind paying for part of 2 yrs of university over and above the aid we get. What I am more worried about is will students be able to finish in 4-5 years (2 yrs CC and 2+ yrs Univ). At the rate the State Univ system has been currently laying off professors and gutting programs, I see EVERY program impacted on EVERY campus, even in “armpits” such as Merced & Fresno. UC is also scaling down programs. How long is it going to take to obtain what used to be a four-year degree if a student has to work themselves up the food chain for a few extra years to take a required 400 level class being offered only on Tuesdays at 2:00 pm every other spring semester with a cap of 30 enrollments? Or attend 2-3 different campuses simultaneously in order to graduate? I think a lot of the layoffs have to do with CSU and UC attempting to eliminate professors right before retirement vesting. It’s getting ridiculous. Right now, a one year vocational school where a student clocks in 8 hrs a day, works and earns a certificate as an HVAC technician looks good. ROP anyone??

We have aid available in the amount of about $3500 per semester for 8 semesters but is it worth it to use it in a school in which you will spin your wheels for 8 years and never graduate from? Something has to be done to restore the programs at the university level in CA and stop the incessant fee hikes EVERY semester for the last 8 years. It that time, CSU has gone up more than 100%!

Also, I think there are and will be more kids from the millenium boom generation graduating from CA high schools than CA public universities have room for. Of course, not all HS graduates attend these schools, but I don’t see how impaction on ALL the campuses in each and every program offered can be averted. I don’t see applicants being able to freely pick and choose which campus they want to attend anymore. County resident applicants and other nearby residents may be given first preference in admissions, based upon GPA, of course. There will be many students turned away in the coming years.

A university degree isn’t the be-all and end-all for every HS graduate. There are many options out there.

None of my children have or will take out student loans, ever. I don’t believe in them.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=HiggyBaby]…Nice job bg! You are fighting the good fight!…?[/quote]

11th District COFI, Baby … I’ve been playing this same poker game since the mid-eighties and haven’t been overly shocked or disappointed yet!

[bearishgurl]

[quote=HiggyBaby]…Nice job bg! You are fighting the good fight!…?[/quote]

11th District COFI, Baby … I’ve been playing this same poker game since the mid-eighties and haven’t been overly shocked or disappointed yet!

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