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Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=CA renter]One has to do with physiology (slow metabolism and how different foods affect different body types), the other has to do with psychology (inability to gauge risk and/or consider long-term consequences). [/quote]
You seem to think that different people with different physiology are entitled to eat the same food.
About about eating food that matches one’s physiology (like matching the house you buy to your income)? How about ability to gauge the long term consequence to one’s health?
If one has allergies to peanuts, one would avoid them. Certain people should not be eating cakes, potatoes, bread, cheese, butter, etc… That’s kinda tough but that’s the way it is.
I personally never buy butter and don’t even eat one stick in 5 years. I’ve seen enough fat people put butter on muffins, and eat 2-3 muffins at a time, that I can’t have sympathy at all.[/quote]
I agree with CAR that some individuals are genetically predisposed to a slow metabolism. But if they know they’re this way, they need to cut way back on sugars/starches and fats and push themselves to keep up an exercise regimen. If they don’t do this, they very well could be stuck with a myriad of health issues from a very young age.
I agree with brian that most people can make better food choices but also know that food choices are largely cultural and so are ingrained in an adult (who grew up passing large bread baskets and other “double-recipe” starchy and fried dishes around the table and engaging in second/third helpings, for example). I’ve been to relatives’ houses who have this tradition at dinnertime and some are overweight and some aren’t. Usually the ones that aren’t overweight (mostly males) have a lot of heavy manual tasks to do every day (often in triple-digit heat).
Unless I’m making food to freeze, I have always prepared meals to equal one serving each for the exact amount of people I am cooking for. Even food I freeze is divided up into individual meal containers. I do not usually have leftovers and endeavor not to waste any food.
brian, you are correct in that using condiments such as butter, sour cream, mayo, excessive salad dressing, gravy, etc ALL have a great effect on how many calories you are taking in.
I think many American cultures needlessly overspend on groceries, buy the “wrong” stuff, habitually prepare too much food and also throw too much food away.
I don’t know how this problem can be fixed except for moving away from a household that engages in these practices and living and eating on your own. Or eating different (mostly raw) food separately from the rest of the family you live with.
You can’t fix everyone. You can only fix yourself. And you have to really want to reduce your weight . . . just like a person has to want to quit smoking.
My family and friends are always amazed that throughout my life I have been able to exist (even with a family to feed) on 1/3 to 1/4 the “grocery budget” of a typical American family. And it wasn’t always because I was “cash-strapped.” I just believe that this money could better be spent elsewhere (or saved), buying too much food causes it to go stale and/or expire (and produce to spoil) and grocery stores are everywhere to get fresh things only as I need them.
If I were living “by myself” and did not have pets I would be willing to “take the challenge” of living on <=$100 mo of groceries (incl hshld and personal items). Yes, I think this is still possible . . . even at today's prices :-]
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=CA renter]One has to do with physiology (slow metabolism and how different foods affect different body types), the other has to do with psychology (inability to gauge risk and/or consider long-term consequences). [/quote]
You seem to think that different people with different physiology are entitled to eat the same food.
About about eating food that matches one’s physiology (like matching the house you buy to your income)? How about ability to gauge the long term consequence to one’s health?
If one has allergies to peanuts, one would avoid them. Certain people should not be eating cakes, potatoes, bread, cheese, butter, etc… That’s kinda tough but that’s the way it is.
I personally never buy butter and don’t even eat one stick in 5 years. I’ve seen enough fat people put butter on muffins, and eat 2-3 muffins at a time, that I can’t have sympathy at all.[/quote]
I agree with CAR that some individuals are genetically predisposed to a slow metabolism. But if they know they’re this way, they need to cut way back on sugars/starches and fats and push themselves to keep up an exercise regimen. If they don’t do this, they very well could be stuck with a myriad of health issues from a very young age.
I agree with brian that most people can make better food choices but also know that food choices are largely cultural and so are ingrained in an adult (who grew up passing large bread baskets and other “double-recipe” starchy and fried dishes around the table and engaging in second/third helpings, for example). I’ve been to relatives’ houses who have this tradition at dinnertime and some are overweight and some aren’t. Usually the ones that aren’t overweight (mostly males) have a lot of heavy manual tasks to do every day (often in triple-digit heat).
Unless I’m making food to freeze, I have always prepared meals to equal one serving each for the exact amount of people I am cooking for. Even food I freeze is divided up into individual meal containers. I do not usually have leftovers and endeavor not to waste any food.
brian, you are correct in that using condiments such as butter, sour cream, mayo, excessive salad dressing, gravy, etc ALL have a great effect on how many calories you are taking in.
I think many American cultures needlessly overspend on groceries, buy the “wrong” stuff, habitually prepare too much food and also throw too much food away.
I don’t know how this problem can be fixed except for moving away from a household that engages in these practices and living and eating on your own. Or eating different (mostly raw) food separately from the rest of the family you live with.
You can’t fix everyone. You can only fix yourself. And you have to really want to reduce your weight . . . just like a person has to want to quit smoking.
My family and friends are always amazed that throughout my life I have been able to exist (even with a family to feed) on 1/3 to 1/4 the “grocery budget” of a typical American family. And it wasn’t always because I was “cash-strapped.” I just believe that this money could better be spent elsewhere (or saved), buying too much food causes it to go stale and/or expire (and produce to spoil) and grocery stores are everywhere to get fresh things only as I need them.
If I were living “by myself” and did not have pets I would be willing to “take the challenge” of living on <=$100 mo of groceries (incl hshld and personal items). Yes, I think this is still possible . . . even at today's prices :-]
Participant[quote=walterwhite] . . . maybe instead of crappy activities you can go for a walk, or practice meditation or grow bonsai trees or do 2 h of yoga per day. Or get rid of your car.[/quote]
scaredy, I agree with this, although I haven’t quite figured out how to get rid of my car, lol!
[quote=walterwhite]It’s the health issues IMO that are unknowable and just risky. But that’s life you could be working and still get bankrupted[/quote]
This is SO TRUE. And just because a “health issue” turns up doesn’t mean it’s catastrophic, and . . . even if it is, why does one HAVE to engage in a bunch of life-crushing invasive procedures that aren’t likely to be effective? Why not just accept that you might be getting close to “your time” to go and enjoy what time you have left??
The gardening and 2 hrs of yoga per day could stave off a LOT of “health issues” from appearing as long as one doesn’t indulge in too much food, drink and other vices, IMHO.
I vote for retiring at the base of Mt Shasta and doing 2 hrs per day of yoga outside (weather permitting, of course :=]) And keep a (older, paid for) car in retirement, just in case you want to visit other places. Just because you’re “old” and still own a vehicle doesn’t mean you have to drive it every day … or even every week.
I think a simpler life is what we should all aspire to in “retirement.”
Participant[quote=walterwhite] . . . maybe instead of crappy activities you can go for a walk, or practice meditation or grow bonsai trees or do 2 h of yoga per day. Or get rid of your car.[/quote]
scaredy, I agree with this, although I haven’t quite figured out how to get rid of my car, lol!
[quote=walterwhite]It’s the health issues IMO that are unknowable and just risky. But that’s life you could be working and still get bankrupted[/quote]
This is SO TRUE. And just because a “health issue” turns up doesn’t mean it’s catastrophic, and . . . even if it is, why does one HAVE to engage in a bunch of life-crushing invasive procedures that aren’t likely to be effective? Why not just accept that you might be getting close to “your time” to go and enjoy what time you have left??
The gardening and 2 hrs of yoga per day could stave off a LOT of “health issues” from appearing as long as one doesn’t indulge in too much food, drink and other vices, IMHO.
I vote for retiring at the base of Mt Shasta and doing 2 hrs per day of yoga outside (weather permitting, of course :=]) And keep a (older, paid for) car in retirement, just in case you want to visit other places. Just because you’re “old” and still own a vehicle doesn’t mean you have to drive it every day … or even every week.
I think a simpler life is what we should all aspire to in “retirement.”
Participant[quote=walterwhite] . . . maybe instead of crappy activities you can go for a walk, or practice meditation or grow bonsai trees or do 2 h of yoga per day. Or get rid of your car.[/quote]
scaredy, I agree with this, although I haven’t quite figured out how to get rid of my car, lol!
[quote=walterwhite]It’s the health issues IMO that are unknowable and just risky. But that’s life you could be working and still get bankrupted[/quote]
This is SO TRUE. And just because a “health issue” turns up doesn’t mean it’s catastrophic, and . . . even if it is, why does one HAVE to engage in a bunch of life-crushing invasive procedures that aren’t likely to be effective? Why not just accept that you might be getting close to “your time” to go and enjoy what time you have left??
The gardening and 2 hrs of yoga per day could stave off a LOT of “health issues” from appearing as long as one doesn’t indulge in too much food, drink and other vices, IMHO.
I vote for retiring at the base of Mt Shasta and doing 2 hrs per day of yoga outside (weather permitting, of course :=]) And keep a (older, paid for) car in retirement, just in case you want to visit other places. Just because you’re “old” and still own a vehicle doesn’t mean you have to drive it every day … or even every week.
I think a simpler life is what we should all aspire to in “retirement.”
Participant[quote=walterwhite] . . . maybe instead of crappy activities you can go for a walk, or practice meditation or grow bonsai trees or do 2 h of yoga per day. Or get rid of your car.[/quote]
scaredy, I agree with this, although I haven’t quite figured out how to get rid of my car, lol!
[quote=walterwhite]It’s the health issues IMO that are unknowable and just risky. But that’s life you could be working and still get bankrupted[/quote]
This is SO TRUE. And just because a “health issue” turns up doesn’t mean it’s catastrophic, and . . . even if it is, why does one HAVE to engage in a bunch of life-crushing invasive procedures that aren’t likely to be effective? Why not just accept that you might be getting close to “your time” to go and enjoy what time you have left??
The gardening and 2 hrs of yoga per day could stave off a LOT of “health issues” from appearing as long as one doesn’t indulge in too much food, drink and other vices, IMHO.
I vote for retiring at the base of Mt Shasta and doing 2 hrs per day of yoga outside (weather permitting, of course :=]) And keep a (older, paid for) car in retirement, just in case you want to visit other places. Just because you’re “old” and still own a vehicle doesn’t mean you have to drive it every day … or even every week.
I think a simpler life is what we should all aspire to in “retirement.”
Participant[quote=walterwhite] . . . maybe instead of crappy activities you can go for a walk, or practice meditation or grow bonsai trees or do 2 h of yoga per day. Or get rid of your car.[/quote]
scaredy, I agree with this, although I haven’t quite figured out how to get rid of my car, lol!
[quote=walterwhite]It’s the health issues IMO that are unknowable and just risky. But that’s life you could be working and still get bankrupted[/quote]
This is SO TRUE. And just because a “health issue” turns up doesn’t mean it’s catastrophic, and . . . even if it is, why does one HAVE to engage in a bunch of life-crushing invasive procedures that aren’t likely to be effective? Why not just accept that you might be getting close to “your time” to go and enjoy what time you have left??
The gardening and 2 hrs of yoga per day could stave off a LOT of “health issues” from appearing as long as one doesn’t indulge in too much food, drink and other vices, IMHO.
I vote for retiring at the base of Mt Shasta and doing 2 hrs per day of yoga outside (weather permitting, of course :=]) And keep a (older, paid for) car in retirement, just in case you want to visit other places. Just because you’re “old” and still own a vehicle doesn’t mean you have to drive it every day … or even every week.
I think a simpler life is what we should all aspire to in “retirement.”
Participant[quote=CONCHO][quote=briansd1]I didn’t know that Steve Jobs was of Arabic decent.
http://iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=16680
[/quote]Wow look at that family resemblance. What a sad story, sounds like he would have been a great dad.[/quote]
This is a good example of what I was trying to say here last week.
http://piggington.com/ignore_ron_paul_are_the_new_marching_orders?page=1
I had recently done a lot of research on natural father and stepfather adoption for a case I was working on. Back in “Jobs’ day” and far beyond, “natural fathers” who were “unwed” had virtually no rights in CA, practically speaking. MANY fathers were permanently estranged from their blood kin . . . not of their own choice and often for life.
The “Jobs story” here turned out just like the vast majority of them did.
Thankfully, the old CA Civil Code sections dealing with “illegitimacy” have since been repealed in the early nineties.
Participant[quote=CONCHO][quote=briansd1]I didn’t know that Steve Jobs was of Arabic decent.
http://iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=16680
[/quote]Wow look at that family resemblance. What a sad story, sounds like he would have been a great dad.[/quote]
This is a good example of what I was trying to say here last week.
http://piggington.com/ignore_ron_paul_are_the_new_marching_orders?page=1
I had recently done a lot of research on natural father and stepfather adoption for a case I was working on. Back in “Jobs’ day” and far beyond, “natural fathers” who were “unwed” had virtually no rights in CA, practically speaking. MANY fathers were permanently estranged from their blood kin . . . not of their own choice and often for life.
The “Jobs story” here turned out just like the vast majority of them did.
Thankfully, the old CA Civil Code sections dealing with “illegitimacy” have since been repealed in the early nineties.
Participant[quote=CONCHO][quote=briansd1]I didn’t know that Steve Jobs was of Arabic decent.
http://iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=16680
[/quote]Wow look at that family resemblance. What a sad story, sounds like he would have been a great dad.[/quote]
This is a good example of what I was trying to say here last week.
http://piggington.com/ignore_ron_paul_are_the_new_marching_orders?page=1
I had recently done a lot of research on natural father and stepfather adoption for a case I was working on. Back in “Jobs’ day” and far beyond, “natural fathers” who were “unwed” had virtually no rights in CA, practically speaking. MANY fathers were permanently estranged from their blood kin . . . not of their own choice and often for life.
The “Jobs story” here turned out just like the vast majority of them did.
Thankfully, the old CA Civil Code sections dealing with “illegitimacy” have since been repealed in the early nineties.
Participant[quote=CONCHO][quote=briansd1]I didn’t know that Steve Jobs was of Arabic decent.
http://iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=16680
[/quote]Wow look at that family resemblance. What a sad story, sounds like he would have been a great dad.[/quote]
This is a good example of what I was trying to say here last week.
http://piggington.com/ignore_ron_paul_are_the_new_marching_orders?page=1
I had recently done a lot of research on natural father and stepfather adoption for a case I was working on. Back in “Jobs’ day” and far beyond, “natural fathers” who were “unwed” had virtually no rights in CA, practically speaking. MANY fathers were permanently estranged from their blood kin . . . not of their own choice and often for life.
The “Jobs story” here turned out just like the vast majority of them did.
Thankfully, the old CA Civil Code sections dealing with “illegitimacy” have since been repealed in the early nineties.
Participant[quote=CONCHO][quote=briansd1]I didn’t know that Steve Jobs was of Arabic decent.
http://iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=16680
[/quote]Wow look at that family resemblance. What a sad story, sounds like he would have been a great dad.[/quote]
This is a good example of what I was trying to say here last week.
http://piggington.com/ignore_ron_paul_are_the_new_marching_orders?page=1
I had recently done a lot of research on natural father and stepfather adoption for a case I was working on. Back in “Jobs’ day” and far beyond, “natural fathers” who were “unwed” had virtually no rights in CA, practically speaking. MANY fathers were permanently estranged from their blood kin . . . not of their own choice and often for life.
The “Jobs story” here turned out just like the vast majority of them did.
Thankfully, the old CA Civil Code sections dealing with “illegitimacy” have since been repealed in the early nineties.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]And it doesnt look like all the money in the world cant help him anymore. Very sad indeed.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/08/26/steve-jobs-apple-photo-resignation-ceo-sick/?adid=hero1
[/quote]I surmised Jobs was probably entering hospice at the time of his resignation announcement after all he has been through.
see: http://piggington.com/when_is_a_house_historic_and_when_is_it_a_teardown
My heart goes out to Steve and his family at this time.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]And it doesnt look like all the money in the world cant help him anymore. Very sad indeed.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/08/26/steve-jobs-apple-photo-resignation-ceo-sick/?adid=hero1
[/quote]I surmised Jobs was probably entering hospice at the time of his resignation announcement after all he has been through.
see: http://piggington.com/when_is_a_house_historic_and_when_is_it_a_teardown
My heart goes out to Steve and his family at this time.
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