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[quote=carli]Ok, got it, now you’ve added some weird personal attacks about my family and me to your false claims, anecdotes, and previously posted articles about the plight of border kids trying to get an education. Nothing you’ve provided qualifies as actual data. Show me a study or anything that could be considered factual that supports your claims.

Remember, you claimed we are spending “a fortune” and “billions” on the situation and that we’re paying for 25% more schools, teachers and administrators in South County than necessary due to non-resident children. But I can’t find anything to support that. Can you?

I’ll wait. And until then, I’m not interested in going around and around so you can spout more hate about immigration and make uninformed, nasty statements about my family and me. Thank you.[/quote]You’re crying “wolf” now. No one has “attacked” you or your family. It is very, very difficult to explain this situation to someone who has never experienced anything like this in the schools their own children attended. School starts around here on July 20 this year, I believe. Wait until August 1-3, after all the students have successfully matriculated into the new school year and simply drive thru one of the South County high school student parking lots for yourself (around 10:00 – 10:30 am is best as all the spaces will be filled at that time). Try to observe the percentage of license plates of parked cars which have Baja, CA license plates. (Of course, this does not account for all the Mexican students dropped off and picked up daily or who ride the trolley and bus from and to the the border every day, but it’s a start.) Until you see it with your own eyes and hear it with your own ears, you won’t be able to truly understand the depth and breadth of the problem. You may choose whichever HS you want to visit. While you’re here, you may as well visit the parking lots of at least two!

The problem is that South County public school administrators and the teacher’s union like the “status quo” because it keeps all of them in a job and padding their defined benefit pensions year after year just by virtue of occupying their positions. So they’re not going to be too helpful with actual “statistics” and they most certainly know (or have a very close approximation of) exactly what they are! Regardless of what students and their parents/”guardians” are claiming on their bogus “guardianship affidavits.” I would be interested to know the percentage of “guardianship affidavits” which were filed this past year within CVESD and SUHSD (and prior years for comparison, if that info is available) in relation to the number of enrolled students each district actually has. I mean, seriously, what is the true percentage of US-resident kids who are actually residing with a “guardian” instead of their parent(s)?

We all KNOW that there is no such thing as a “border kid.” What is the reason behind using that euphemism, carli? Political correctness, perhaps?? A kid attending a CA public school in SD or Imperial County either resides in Mexico or resides in the US … end of story. The border is a thin strip of land where no one resides. A kid can’t live in both countries at the same time, unless their OWN parents actually OWN or RENT residential property on this side of the border and it is furnished and available at whim for ALL the members of their family to come here and occupy it on any given day of the year (meaning NOT leased out to a third party) and they DO occupy it during the school year as their principal residence. There ARE a few homes like this in South County but they are mostly owned by Mexico City and Guadalajara residents, NOT residents of Tijuana and other border cities. And these families only spend 2-3 weeks per year actually using the home. Their minor children (if they have any) are schooled in Mexico.

None of these non-resident daily border-crossing kids stealing seats from SD County schools are in a “plight.” They can and should be getting their educations in Tijuana and surrounds … where they RESIDE. CA taxpayers owe them nothing.

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[quote=spdrun]bearishgurl: seems like most of the kids mentioned in the articles are non-resident CITIZENS. Exactly how common is this? I’d think there was a limited supply of such people.

As far as non-resident, non-citizen children crossing the border to attend school daily, I think the border guards would have something to say about that – eventually.[/quote]Many Mexican citizen children have documents to get across the border and back. Their parents often shop north of the border and some of them have relatives living on this side as well.

CA LAW states that students proving residency for public school attendance purposes MUST LIVE WITHIN the district AND within the attendance boundaries of the school they are attempting to enroll in. OR, successfully seek and obtain a zone transfer or interdistrict transfer from the district they are residents of or the district they wish to attend a particular school in.

Of course, one living in MEXICO is not considered a resident of ANY school district in CA. They are NON-residents.

Citizenship of the students or their parents has no bearing on whether daily border crossers are entitled to attend public school in CA or TX. ONLY “residency” does.

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carli, the “academic paper” you posted on statistics on children of undocumented immigrants:

http://dornsife.usc.edu/assets/sites/731/docs/chirla_v10_small.pdf

… mainly discusses CA RESIDENT children of undocumented immigrants in CA. Ex: children of lettuce pickers in Salinas, children of garment workers in LA, children of beef and poultry workers in San Joaquin, Merced and Fresno Counties, etc.

The paper has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with the subject I brought up – which only affects San Diego and Imperial Counties. That is … foreign children and US Citizen NON-RESIDENT children who live OUTSIDE the US crossing the border every day to attend US schools!

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[quote=carli]. . . I’m sure you’ve noticed the motto of Rich’s Piggington forum listed at the bottom of the page, “In God We Trust. Everyone Else Bring Data.” I believe you and I fall under the “Everyone Else” category. :-)[/quote]carli, I have been out of town all week. I DID post links but you failed to read the links (especially the CA links) and watch the videos. The kids themselves interviewed in the links I provided stated that there is an underground network at their SD South County school where they try to alert each other if any of the other border crossing student’s residency is questioned by their school (usually triggered by poor attendance and punctuality, falling asleep in class, etc). In one link, the protagonist clearly stated that he “thought” there were 100 students at his (Chula Vista) high school who reside in MX (likely a lower estimate than reality) and that he had to camp on the floor of his “aunt’s” house for a month when he was tipped off by a fellow border-crossing student that he might have a home visit from the school to inquire about his residency. (This is not uncommon, btw). My OWN kids have even told me numerous times over the years that dozens of their classmates admitted to them that they live in MX! Even when they were in elementary school and I asked, “why don’t you invite xyz to your birthday party,” they would respond, “Oh, he/she lives in TJ and won’t be able to come.”

SUHSD administrators admitted in one link that I provided here that they had no way of verifying the information given to them by prospective or continuing students’ parent (or adults pretending to be parents) and had to depend on the addresses and “guardianship affidavits” filed to establish residency as being the truth.

The reason I posted links as old as 25 years here is because I wanted to emphasize how long this charade has actually been going on! (It’s actually been going on as far back as I remember but it is much more “lucrative” today for a MX student to attend school in the US because the differences in the quality between the public schools in the two countries is markedly greater now than it was in the ’70’s and ’80’s.) In any case, most of the links I posted were from the last four years.

You’re another one who needs to flick the flies off your starched cuffs from your lofty seat in your NIMBY tower (30+ miles away from the int’l border?) and put on your glasses. I brought data. I ALWAYS bring data. I have had hundreds of folders of bookmarks FULL of data for YEARS in one of my browsers. If you choose not to READ, WATCH and LEARN, that’s on YOU!

Just like with the serious problems CA residents have with Covered CA and Medi-Cal under the ACA and the dozens of links I furnished for your information on that thread, you don’t and didn’t read any of them because you really don’t want to know. Why?? Because these issues don’t affect YOU or YOUR kids. Plain and simple.

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[quote=harvey][quote=njtosd]
Brexit aside – questioning the practical reality and costs associated with immigration does not make one, by definition, an ugly nativist anti immigration type. Almost 7% of kids K-12 in US schools have at least one parent who is undocumented. That is a significant issue and I am so tired of everyone acting like there’s a money tree somewhere that can pay for all of it. Everyone wants to be nice but there is not an endless supply of $.[/quote]

What’s the issue?

K-12 education is a long-term investment that society makes. Public education has historically provided huge returns.

All of American history teaches us that educating children, including the children of immigrants, has tremendous benefits for all Americans. There’s no reason why the documentation status of a child’s parents would change that outcome. Educating children in America – all children – is a win for everyone.[/quote]Um, harvey, we’ve been thru this before a few times on this forum. The immigration status of the parents are of little concern when tens of thousands of kids are crossing the border every day to attend public school in CA alone (very possibly as much as 40K). They’re non-residents who are taking up seats of the children of bona-fide taxpaying residents. In SD County, a portion of the seats these non-resident students are taking up (using “fake” addresses and fake “guardianship affidavits”) are in modern, well-equipped schools built with Mello Roos Bonds. The parents and other homeowners in the area who are paying these bonds (some paying over 1.5% of their assessed value just in MR bonds) are beyond livid that their local school is overflowing with border-crossing students! As they should be. See re CA:

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2016/may/19/survey-tijuana-san-diego-students-lead-increasingl/

http://www.ewa.org/blog-latino-ed-beat/students-living-mexico-cross-border-attend-us-schools

http://www.neontommy.com/news/2013/02/crossing-border-us-education

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/immigration/unfair.htm

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2008/0523/p01s05-usgn.html

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/immigration/unfair.htm

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-07-23/local/me-179_1_student-visas

Re: AZ, NM & TX:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/children-cross-mexican-border-to-receive-a-us-education/2013/09/20/1237862a-1bdd-11e3-8685-5021e0c41964_story.html

http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2013/09/18/before-the-school-bell-rings-some-students-make-an-international-journey

http://kut.org/post/these-el-paso-students-travel-back-and-forth-across-border-daily-attend-school

http://tucson15.nytimes-institute.com/2015/05/29/students-commute-from-mexican-border-town-for-u-s-education/

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/32958239/ns/us_news-education/t/students-told-prove-texas-residency-or-leave/#.V2in6xLvabY

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/09/11/texas.border.schools/

http://www.chron.com/opinion/outlook/article/Mexican-children-cross-border-to-go-to-school-1807611.php

The problem is of epidemic proportions along the southwest border of the US. However, AZ and NM do NOT have state residency requirements to attend public school there while TX and CA DO have very specific residency requirements. In CA, it is the LAW that the student must be a resident of the district and attendance area of a particular public school to be able to attend it (absent possession of a zone transfer or inter-district transfer issued to them by a CA school district (their own or another district within their own county).

This has been the “dirty little secret” here in South SD County that no one wants to talk about let alone even attempt to address, including CVESD’s and SUHSD’s public school administrators at the very top. And it is well beyond high time that this subject was placed front and center in this important election year. Tens of thousands of resident families here in South County (including my own) have watched their kids age out of the public school system over the years while it was filled to the brim the entire time our kids were attending grades K thru 12 with dozens and even hundreds of “border-crossing students” in every school …. all day, every day. Many of the students joke in secret with each other that they actually live in TJ (or beyond in MX) and make the trek to that school every day via private car or trolley/bus and ALL of our administrators and teachers full well know it and have known it for decades.

It’s easy for someone who lives 25-200 miles from the Int’l border to post self-righteous comments on this forum implying that other posters are “racist” or “nativist” whilst simultaneously flicking the flies off their own starched cuffs, lol …. Of course, the problem is not in THEIR backyard and THEIR OWN kids’ education(s) have not been noticeably impacted by this phenomenon. So it all seems so “benign” to them that “a handful of deserving Latino kids” (read: the token Latina in flu’s kid’s class that he posted here about) are receiving a US public education. The issue is NOT about race or nationality. It is about RESIDENCY, plain and simple.

Sure, a portion (20-30%?) of these daily border-crossing K-12 students are “anchor babies.” But their parents are never going to move to the attendance area of the US schools their kid(s) are (successfully) stealing seats from. Why? Because it costs 4-10x as much for housing within 10 miles north of the Int’l border than it does to live in or around Tijuana, BC. It’s never going to happen. This situation will go on until the school districts hire more residency personnel to cross reference addresses, do drive-bys on boarded up and unoccupied homes (which district students are using as their “addresses”) and step up their unannounced residency checks on ALL students who filed “guardianship affidavits” to prove residency (including inspection of bdrms and clothes closets) of addresses these students’ listed as their purported “residence” on their “guardianship affidavit.”

Just like the receipt of TANF (cash aid), a student using a “guardianship affidavit” to establish residency to attend a public school in a particular school district should be required to consent to such a search as a condition of having their affidavit accepted by the school district, IMO. A TANF recipient is not allowed to cohabitate with another wage earner whose employer has reported their wages to the state without reporting the wages of their cohabitant every month to their social worker (and have their cash aid suspended or modified, accordingly) or they could be charged with welfare fraud. By agreeing to collect TANF, they agree in writing to be subject to a random, unannounced home visit. A public school student using a guardianship affidavit to establish “residency” to attend a particular school should be forced to agree to be subject to the same scrutiny. The public education they are receiving off the backs of CA taxpayers costs $7-10K per year for each student, which is about the same amount as a US citizen parent receives in cash aid (TANF) for 1-2 kids (approx $6500 for the first kid and about half that for the second kid).

As a local K-12 public school parent for 27 years (my kids never attended any one school at the same time due to age gaps), I am in hopes that a really bright flashlight will be shone on this subject in the coming months/years … no matter WHO wins in this election. It costs these states a FORTUNE to educate this never-ending northbound flow of students. These saved billions (from no longer voluntarily educating tens of thousands foreign students in our public schools within border counties) should instead be spent on CA’s crumbling infrastructure.

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[quote=spdrun]Dressing better isn’t the sign of anything other than vanity. IMHO. :)[/quote]Um, well, ok … but the folks in more than a few of these “flyover states” have a lot of pride. They like to look good for social events and church 🙂

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[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=bearishgurl]

The above comments are just another example of a broad brushstroke of the electorate painted by Piggs who are obviously wrapped up in their own fantastical delusions of how wonderful their own political views and ideologies are.[/quote]

Pitchfork peasants are riled up nativist-populists. non college educated and non cosmopolitan. In the the UK the motto was “we want our country back”.[/quote]Is there something wrong with that, FIH? Just because someone “wants their country back,” it doesn’t make them “`Pitchfork peasants” (who) ‘are riled up nativist-populists. non college educated and non cosmopolitan.'” Not by a long shot. Again, you’re painting every voter who wants change from the corrupt “status quo” with a very broad brush here.

You obviously don’t realize that many large cities in “flyover country” (which you claim are full of non-college-educated `pitchfork peasants’) are actually very “cosmopolitan” places to live and work in. Take Tulsa, OK, for example in that (gasp!) “red state.” There are LOTS of cultural things to do there and the residents there dress a helluva a lot better that those in SD, CA to attend cultural events. It also has hundreds of historical residential properties and and beautiful well-planned historical neighborhoods with park-like walkways with streams running thru, etc. The whole city is also very pretty in the fall and has gorgeous lakes on the west side.

Believe it or not, over 75K native Southern Californians have relocated to Tulsa over the past ~15 years. Many have started successful small businesses.

Yet, most of those scumbag, “uneducated, pitchfork peasants” residing in Tulsa County voted for Cruz in the primaries. Go figure :=0

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[quote=joeypants05][quote=joec]Yeah, prop tax is much much higher in Texas and also, with so much land, I don’t think Texas is as good of an investment in terms of housing, also without prop 13 that we have here. I don’t think prop 13 would ever go away completely for primary home buyers even though they may try to change it, but with businesses and the wealthy controlling all the laws, it’s unlikely anything will ever change IMO).

My parents have places in TX and they said that they’d lose money if they were to sell the place they bought and are renting.

CA with Prop 13 is a very unique state (are we the only 1 in the country?) so if people move to Texas or Nevada, or wherever, I don’t think they would ever move back to CA due to the much much much higher housing cost.

Not to mention prop tax would be higher if they bought a new place compared to the one that was sold.

Overall, I think if your income is super high, then no state income tax can make a big difference. We know dual income doctors making mil+ in a tax free state and I can see why you’d want to do that, but if that wasn’t you, then I don’t think the numbers are that great assuming you buy something not super great in CA.

A high mortgage is also a greater tax deduction if you are high income in CA so that 3k mortgage compared to TX may actually end up being 2k/month where in TX, you may be claiming the standard deduction.[/quote]

This depends on why you are buying the house. If you are buying the house as an investment then California is probably a better choice since your expected future appreciation is higher. If you are looking to buy a house to live in I’d argue that Texas is a better choice because you get more house for your money. The higher property taxes are more then offset by the income tax & SDI you don’t pay unless you are low income but if that is the case you aren’t in the market to buy a house in California.

I think you are overstating the effect of the mortgage deduction but I also would argue that paying less in interest is a better choice then taking a larger deduction. The deduction only adjusts your AGI down so if your marginal total tax rate is 40% you are still paying 60 cents in interest to get a 40 deduction. I’d rather pay 6k in interest a year and only get a 1k deduction then to pay 20k in interest a year and get a 8k deduction.

There is another key factor that I believe is overlooked which is risk. The risk of having a large mortgage is that if you fall on hard times, lose your job, get very sick etc then it is much harder to sustain a 3k mortgage payment or find a replacement income that can support it. A 250k mortgage in Texas will run you about $1100 a month which would be easier to maintain in case of disaster.

Like I said in my original post to the person that started the thread, we like San Diego but simply don’t want to afford a 3-4k mortgage to live in a not great place/area when basically everywhere else in the country (excluding a few key metro areas) we could live on much less in a much nicer house and area.

We could easily be wrong and if we get there and don’t like it we can always move back or choose the next place to try out.[/quote]

joey, every . single . person/family . I’ve known who has moved from SD County to TX (several SD natives) and tried to come back later and BUY a residence here was unable to. They couldn’t because they sunk all the equity from their sold property in CA into the property they bought in TX, got tired of the place they were living in within 2-3 years of arriving and tried to sell. When push came to shove, they couldn’t get all their (CA) equity back out upon the sale of their TX home and/or closing costs of selling (mainly realty commission, which is customarily 7% there) also ate into that equity. In short, they came crawling back to CA with LESS money than they left with and in a couple of cases, much, much less (these people “over-improved” their TX mcmansion and couldn’t get ANY of the cost of their improvements back out of it upon sale). Of course, while they were gone, SD real estate went up in price in the double-digit percentages. And it didn’t matter which year it was!

TX property doesn’t appreciate well (in some areas, not at all and other areas only sporadically) due to their state’s “Homestead Act” preventing judgment and other liens from forcing foreclosure of principal residences as well as preventing owners of principal residences from taking out 2nd TD’s and HELOCs on them. Hence, the RE market in TX didn’t “crash and burn” anywhere near as badly as it did around the most of the rest of the country between 2006 and 2010. It is a very stable market but people who buy homes in TX shouldn’t expect to be able to turn around and resell them quickly … or even in 5-10 years and come out with a “profit” after all is said and done.

If you want to move to TX, you should not do it simply to have a brick mcmansion situated around a man-made lake with a matching brick mailbox at the curb, IMO. You should do it because your family is offering you an executive position in the “family biz,” you want to keep and ride horses on your property, you want to collect antique cars and store them in a bldg on your property, you got a job offer there paying way more than you could ever make in your field in any coastal job center in CA or you have inherited property there that you want to reside in or build on.

Texans have a completely different life than Californians. The difference is as much as night and day from CA in the Dallas area, IMO. It seems from your posts on this thread that you are in contract to buy a home there simply for the house you can get. As other Piggs have (correctly) pointed out here, TX property tax can easily be based upon 2-4% of the assessed value of the property. If you keep your home in CA (or sell and buy another one now in CA) and have it paid for prior to retirement, its tax bill would have only gone up 2% annually from its 1% “ad-valoream” portion of its tax (and adjusted downward over the years and readjusted to no more than its Prop 13 level pursuant to Prop 8) during RE bust/re-boom cycles. You will have a much lower tax bill on your principal residence in retirement in CA.

The half-dozen longtime San Diegans I knew who moved to TX and tried to return and re-buy a residence here could not even come close to re-buying the home they sold (or even the home they built themselves and sold) here prior to moving to TX! They ALL went to TX to be closer to other family members and HATED the fact that they had to live under A/C 9-10 months per year, the huge flying bugs of every stripe, deafening crickets at night, the dangerous ice storms, the sweltering heat and humidity, threat of tornadoes, the colloquialism, the vastly different culture, etc, etc. They ALL bought newish large brick homes in TX but it didn’t matter. They HATED it. They ALL wanted a semblance of their old Cali home back upon returning and deeply regretted selling it. Two of these returning families stayed with us while looking for a rental and were beyond dismayed of how different their lives would be now that they returned to SD as opposed to before they left.

And why does it cost $3-$4K in mortgage payment to live in a not-so-good area of SD County? Does that include taxes and insurance? Either I am missing something important here or you are seeking to buy a $750K+ home with little to nothing down. What is wrong with your Escondido home? Are you selling it to move to TX??

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[quote=SK in CV][quote=The-Shoveler]”British millenials are ticked off”

I am not sure that is not just the media talking for them like they do here saying they want a condo and bike to work when they really want a house in the suburbs and a BMW.[/quote]

I think they are. I think they googled “what’s the EU?” this morning and realized that they should have been paying attention.[/quote]LOL …

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[quote=zk][quote=FlyerInHi]This what happens when news outlets like the Sun enable the pitchfork peasants.[/quote]

And Trump wouldn’t be where he is without Fox et.al. encouraging America’s pitchfork peasants….[/quote]This is another pompous statement. Fox News is on cable (and satellite) TV. One can’t get Fox News in their home in my area of SD County unless they sign up for a minimum $53.50 TV pkg (+ telecommunications tax and incl box rental) with a cable or satellite provider (just TWO providers to choose from around here). OR … spend hundreds setting up their own antenna system where they still would have a monthly fee of $15-$20. And $53.50 month presumes the customer already has high-speed internet service with that same provider! If they don’t (and just want to order TV service only), the price to get Fox News is $65-$70 month.

“Pitchfork peasants” can’t afford that expense every month. They are lucky if they have a rabbit-ear antenna which can still pick up local TV channels for free … that is, IF their local area broadcasting has not yet gone “all digital” (as it has in most areas of SD County).

The above comments are just another example of a broad brushstroke of the electorate painted by Piggs who are obviously wrapped up in their own fantastical delusions of how wonderful their own political views and ideologies are.

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[quote=livinincali][quote=spdrun]Can California leave the US so they’re not stuck propping up Mississippi and Oklahoma?[/quote]

No. CA would rather force their social/progressive vision of the way things should be on Mississippi and Oklahoma. It’s all about power.[/quote]Ha, ha, I’m fairly certain that the residents of both of these states just laugh at us “Californicators,” instead.

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[quote=spdrun]Can California leave the US so they’re not stuck propping up Mississippi and Oklahoma?[/quote]Umm, I don’t know about MS but OK doesn’t need “propping up” by the likes of over-indebted Californians and their over-indebted state gubment. They’re doing fine by themselves, in spite of having several populous communities in the path of “Tornado Alley.” Oklahomans are a very hardy and resourceful bunch of folks who have been getting along fine for years … that is until “Obamacare” came on board and caused several of their major insurance carriers to leave the state and many of their urban-based medical providers to drop out of the exchange-carrier network. But at least they weren’t stupid enough (as Cali was) to adopt “enhanced Medicaid.” A large portion of the state’s residents are eligible to access medical care through the IHS (approx 550-600K people), including their many, modern IHS and tribally funded hospitals and clinics.

And OK has only been fighting a “meth scourge” in its eastern (rural) parts of the state because when all the East SD County meth labs were raided and busted up by the SDSO in combination with the NTF and DEA back in ’98-99, a lot of those lab operators were subsequently found guilty of felonies and sent off to prison. When they were released (5-12 years later), they ALL defected to OK, AR and MO to ply their usual trade (yes, people, that same trade which they just did major time for in CA) in heavily wooded areas where policing was thin. These states don’t have the multi-agency policing resources as does the “police state” we all know and love as San Diego County, CA (an int’l border county). This lack of coordinated law enforcement has allowed OK’s makeshift meth labs to operate largely underground for years whilst insidiously polluting OK’s many streams, rivers and lakes. Most of these labs aren’t caught until they catch fire or until the teachers of the children who are living in them turn their student’s injuries over to social service agencies.

Instead of “feeling sorry” for Oklahomans, you Piggs would do better to instead ask themselves how this happened and WHO was/is responsible for it!

As a public service, the IHS is picking up most of the slack in attempt to detox/rehab OK/AR/MO rural meth addicts (whether they are eligible to access IHS … or not).

Do NOT feel sorry for Oklahomans, please. They’re fine and they’re dealing as they always have and always will. A very large portion of OK adults are also collecting off gas and oil leases for life (quarterly, biannually or annually) which they “inherited” (in addition to their employment and pension incomes). When they die, their heirs will do same. Many of them actually feel sorry for us … for the day-to-day conditions we urban Californians must deal with just to get thru life. The vast majority of “Okies” like to come to Cali for a vacation to see the sights but they wouldn’t want to live here. You can trust me on that :=0

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[quote=SK in CV][quote=bearishgurl][quote=SK in CV] . . . The US does not have an open border. The US has never had an open border. I can’t think of a single elected official, or any significant candidate who has proposed an open border. And the net undocumented population has remained pretty constant over the last 7 years. It’s the same size now as it was in 2008. If there was an open border, there would be more.[/quote]It’s “open enough” to allow Mexicans and Americans alike to cross back and forth daily (to drive their kids to school in the US or drive to school in the US (for a teenaged driver).

SK, did your kids attend public school in the “other CV?” That is …. in Carmel Valley (SD)? You know … the CV which is ~30 miles from the border? And if so, did THEIR SCHOOLS have dozens or even hundreds of Mexican-citizen students who crossed the border every morning to attend it?

How far away do you currently reside from an AZ/MX int’l border crossing gate? 150-200 miles, perhaps?

What you know and can tell us about the habits of daily (northbound in the morning) “border crossers” would likely fit neatly into a thimble.[/quote]

My kids attended public school. Some of the other students weren’t US citizens. Some were undocumented. I don’t know the actual number, and I’m pretty sure any of the numbers from you are a huge exaggeration. Because that’s what you do.

I don’t know what any of the other questions have to do with the discussion. You don’t like Mexicans coming across the border, legally or otherwise. I get that. You don’t have to. You can move.

It wasn’t significantly different when I was in elementary school. The kids in SY and IB schools mostly spoke Spanish.

I spent a lot of weekends down there. My sister’s former in-laws grew up there, though only 1 of 6 kids was born in the US. The others would be dreamers today. 4 of the 6 have degrees. One of them an assistant US attorney, now retired. One a retired college professor. Of the 6, I’m pretty sure only my brother in law was ever in jail (for selling dope, 6 months, around 1970). He’s retired now. Built about 2,000 homes in so cal over the last 40 years. One delivers mail in Coronado., she’s retiring next year. The youngest, the only US born child, has been running an after-school program for ESL kids in IB for 25 years. Their father, Miguel, died right about the same time my father died, around 1990. His car still had Baja plates on it, because it was registered in Mexico. He lived in IB, but worked as a cook in a restaurant in Tijuana, drove back and forth every work day from when he moved his family to IB in 1955 after his 5th child was born, until he died 35 years later. And that kid that was born in 1955? I don’t see him much anymore. He’s works 9 months a year with doctors without borders, since he retired after 30 as a officer with the USN after they put him through medical school. He was born a few months before me in 1955. In Tijuana. He was technically and illegal alien until a month before he earned his MD in the early 80’s. It was a Reagan thing. Now he’s a US citizen.

So all those kids that you hate, that were in your kids, and continue in classrooms today? I know some of those kids. I wish my kids had more like them in their classrooms.[/quote]I know lots of boomers (full, 1/2, 1/4 Mexican … who cares?) just as you’re describing here, SK. Perhaps themselves or some or all of their siblings were born in the US (their MX parent(s) usually weren’t). The vast majority of them have retired from successful careers and are now collecting DB pensions. I’ve lived in this county for close to 40 years and have seen all that you’ve seen. But now that South County has literally doubled the elementary schools it used to have and has several more middle/high schools than it used to have (all built with MR bonds), there are far, far more daily “border-crossing students” taking up our public classroom seats.

The dirty little secret is that South County really didn’t need all those new schools but the new homeowners paying humongous MR demanded them, especially those in the later phases of Otay Ranch, who are paying property tax + MR equivalent to 2.77% of their assessed value! They didn’t want to send their kids to older “west-side” schools and schools in the earlier (mainly Eastlake) tracts, which also had (lesser) MR, were overcrowded with students from the communities they were built to serve.

A few years back, a group of Otay Ranch parents went ballistic at CVESD and SUHSD over border-crossing students (Mexican Nationals) taking up slots in the classrooms of their “assigned” new schools while their own kids were turned away and reassigned to a school further away due to lack of room. They had a big blowout parent meeting with the PTB over residency verification issues and the District managed to find a few slots in their assigned schools for more RESIDENT students (to placate some of the parents of whom were paying thru the nose in MR). As well they should have. That exercise got rid of some of the problem of border-crossing students in certain schools. However, the older schools in non-MR areas still have very large portions of their student bodies (15% on up to 45%) whose parents have managed to “game” the residency verification by using fake “guardianship affidavits” and having their names added to or replaced on 1-2 of a RESIDENT friend’s or relative’s utility bills and using addresses of boarded up homes or otherwise unoccupied homes for “residency purposes.”

The reality is that only about 5% of homes in many south county westside (west of the 805) blocks (primarily in NC and CV) have school-aged children. Of course, many school aged kids are using their grandparents address to attend school because the parents live in an area of SD with very low-rated schools. And another 5% or so of parents with school-aged children in the area are homeschooling. However, all the public schools are still open in the older areas of the westside. If the district wasn’t able to fill them with a never ending sieve of students from “down south” every day, they would undoubtedly have to close some or even most of them (which isn’t a bad thing … they could save the cost of the utilities to run them). The reality is that the teacher’s unions don’t want the loss of “teaching billets” in the district (even though a very high percentage of south county teachers already have 30 years of service in and can retire today on essentially a pension equal to their full highest pay for life). Another large chunk of them are nearing the 30 year service mark. I know because I work out with many of them.

I don’t “hate” the Mexican-citizen students or their parents for taking advantage of a “system” which allows them to. I blame the superintendents and school administrations for overtly condoning the practice of accepting students right and left from out of the country and looking the other way and claiming their “hands are tied” on residency matters. It is a corrupt system that places dozens of “non resident, out of country” ESL students at every grade level in every school and and affects the quality of education received by the English-speaking American RESIDENT students at that same school and grade level. When given proof that certain students are actually living in MX while using local address XYZ of a long boarded-up home, the administration doesn’t care and doesn’t want to know. So there you have it. We’re paying to operate at least 25% more public schools than we need to in South County and paying the (unnecessary) salaries of 25% more teachers and administrators so we can spread all the non-resident students around and provide an (expensive) K-12 education to students actually living in another country! This practice has the effect of completely filling up all these schools in older areas which would otherwise be closed due to lack of a sufficient student body actually residing within their attendance boundaries.

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[quote=flu]Funny. One of my kids nicest friend in school is Latino. Her parents are one of the nicest parents and always at school volunteering. She’s one of the brightest kids in class. And of her oldest cousins serves at Camp Pendleton. Imagine that. Some brown people that actually live in Carmel V.[/quote]I take it your kid’s “nicest friend” lives in CV (Carmel Valley)? She’s not being driven up there from MX every day??

Once again, you’re off-topic, flu. I was discussing public school RESIDENCY and open borders and you’ve decided to play the race card again (your usual MO) and turn the discussion into accusing people of being “racist,” and “hateful.”

Glad you hear your kids’ school has a “token `brown person.'”

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[quote=SK in CV] . . . The US does not have an open border. The US has never had an open border. I can’t think of a single elected official, or any significant candidate who has proposed an open border. And the net undocumented population has remained pretty constant over the last 7 years. It’s the same size now as it was in 2008. If there was an open border, there would be more.[/quote]It’s “open enough” to allow Mexicans and Americans alike to cross back and forth daily (to drive their kids to school in the US or drive to school in the US (for a teenaged driver).

SK, did your kids attend public school in the “other CV?” That is …. in Carmel Valley (SD)? You know … the CV which is ~30 miles from the border? And if so, did THEIR SCHOOLS have dozens or even hundreds of Mexican-citizen students who crossed the border every morning to attend it?

How far away do you currently reside from an AZ/MX int’l border crossing gate? 150-200 miles, perhaps?

What you know and can tell us about the habits of daily (northbound in the morning) “border crossers” would likely fit neatly into a thimble.

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