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bearishgurl
ParticipantI thought the Piggs would enjoy these two videos . . . in jest, of course :=]
bearishgurl
ParticipantHilarious!
I really need to find out where us proud border-dwelling ladies can order those T-shirts!
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Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=bearishgurl]You seem to getting personal again in ascribing all of HRC’s stated “phobes” to me, SK. I honestly believe that an (unk) portion of people who are verbally “polled” (whether in person on telephonically, unless it was actually during an “exit poll”) are disinclined to speak their truth in this election. That is, not to state to the pollster that they are supporting a candidate they deplore, but instead stating to the pollster that they hadn’t yet made up their minds and so just named a candidate to get rid of the pollster. Or stated they would vote for an Independent for President. At least this would be so in polls where their names would be known to the pollster. A lot of people just want to get through their day without calling undue attention upon themselves.
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So you think people are lying in an anonymous poll, that they always have the option of not responding to? And somehow answering differently than they actual think, will somehow make the poll get finished faster?
It is personal. You know Trump is a horrendous racist, and don’t care. I think that’s deplorable.
And your personal poll really is meaningless. You’ve proved over and over again here that your personal experiences are not the same as most peoples.
I know 1 person voting for Trump. He’s a rabid and unashamed racist. So between the two of us, we’re pretty much even. Still meaningless.[/quote]I don’t think most of the polls are anonymous. Pollsters get names of people to call from voter registration records (registered Dems, Reps and Independents). It’s easy to get their (home) phone numbers. I’ve phone banked for Dem candidates on numerous occasions in the past and the registered voters’ landline numbers were all provided to us and they were mostly all legitimate. Most of the voters would respond to our poll or candidate/cause spiel (unless they were in the middle of dinner, etc). Of course, this was before the masses had cell phones.
Polls on street corners would be anonymous, I suppose but the pollster would see the person they attempted to poll and could try to size them up before approaching them.
Exit polls are also anonymous but not only does the pollster see the person they are attempting to poll, they KNOW they reside in a specific precinct.
I also precinct-walked many times door to door in neighborhoods all over SD County (all south of I-8) on behalf of local candidates and KNOW how people respond at their doors to political workers … depending on if our candidate was favorable to them or not. The voters approached at their homes are not always forthcoming or even informed at first. It often takes a few minutes for them to warm up to you and listen to your spiel about your candidate/cause.
Precinct walking is a great way to meet people … and you often run into friends/relatives of people you already know or who used to work in your workplace or occupation!
bearishgurl
Participant[quote=ltsdd][quote=flyer]If Americans are really concerned about their future and the future of their children, they should be very concerned that only 10% of Americans are millionaires, and around 80% of all workers (which would encompass those from both parties) earn around $50K a year.
It’s clear that the wealth gap, among all economic strata is continuing to widen in this country, and it will be interesting to see if either candidate, if elected, can change this trend going forward. If not, there should be a lot of very disappointed voters.[/quote]
The reality is that $50K/year is a lot of money in many parts of this country. One could do OK even in some part of this county. A household with two working adults making $100K/year is probably solid (upper)middle class. . . [/quote]This is true. It reminds me of all the relatives I have in “flyover country” who are/were “professionals” such as teachers, school administrators, policemen/women or civil servants married to same or other current/former “white collar” workers such as secretary/admin/insurance personnel who all successfully retired before age 62 on pensions and retirement funds they set aside while working. Even though their state/county/city/admin jobs paid lower than CA and they didn’t get COLAs (if civil service/DOD workers), they are better off financially than the vast majority of longtime CA residents are. Of course, they all paid off their large all-brick “retirement homes” situated on 1/2 to 20 AC between age 45-55, and, of course, they had far less of a mortgage to pay off than we in CA do.
I have to laugh at Trump’s comment, “I love the poorly educated,” because the “poorly educated” actually do the real work that keep this country humming along … such as truck driving, etc. I have a favorite uncle who is more like my cousin because he is just a few years older than me (will get his first SS check on 10/1 … Yay!) I stayed with him and his spouse for a few days in their well-appointed guest room on this last trip. He has a grocery pension (his spouse has a teaching pension) but he is still working FT nearly every day and is still very physically fit. He leases some of his land for cattle ranching, bales hay for neighboring ranchers and has his own herd of cattle to oversee, plus horses and dogs and a boatload of farm equipment. One morning when I was there, he decided to separate his calves from their moms to wean them. I went with him and watched him expertly herd all 18 of his calves into a 25 foot trailer and take them to another pen where he used his dogs to quickly corral them into it, away from their moms. It was a sight to behold! It took him less time to do this than it takes me to pipe up my semi-ancient desktop computer every morning and download the msgs from my two e-mail accts (not counting the spam folders). That’s with or without a cup of coffee in my hand!
When I visited him as a child, I watched him break 3 different horses at ages 12-14.
Um . . . the “poorly educated” or “high school graduates” in this country are what made it what it is today. They are the actual machinery which made America run for every American citizen and I agree with Trump in that they should be respected. Not every boomer and beyond could afford college or was even inclined to attend and it didn’t make any difference in their quality of life or quality of retirement because they lived within their means all their lives in their (flyover) home state and now, in “retirement,” have everything they want and need and often much more.
bearishgurl
Participant[quote=Hobie]”The Economist (a pretty conservative publication)”
seriously![/quote]LOL . . .bearishgurl
Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=bearishgurl]Oh yeah, I know. Everyone is “deplorable” to HRC who isn’t a deep-enough pocketed donor to her foundation or campaign. Those deep pockets include the millions of “liberal elite” in CA. Having been a longtime local Dem activist myself for nearly nine years, no one knows this fact better than I do.
I don’t believe enough “minorities” (whatever that is supposed to mean) are being adequately polled by the major pollsters. The only “polls” which will be entirely believable are those votes which are cast for the November 8 election. You must know that many people aren’t going to speak their truth if they think they will just be chastised for it. Voting, whether by mail or in person, is private. This is the only act that will tell the tale.[/quote]
That’s pretty much bullshit. She was specific about who she finds deplorable. Racists. Xenophobes. Homophobes. Islamaphobes. Now the possibility exists that you don’t find any of these deplorable and you think the emancipation declaration was a mistake, and that slavery should still be legal. At this point, it wouldn’t surprise me. In which case, you fit in just perfectly with Trump voters.
Do you really think African Americans and Hispanics are lying to pollsters and claiming to support someone else and actually support Trump? Because that is the only way your claim that minorities aren’t being adequately polled works. (Unless you don’t believe in math, which given some of your claims, seems entirely possible.) I don’t know if you remember 4 years ago. But republicans across the country were “unskewing” the polls. The polls were pretty clear that Obama would win. Republicans, including some very prominent republicans were convinced otherwise. The polls ended up underestimating the Obama’s victory. So unskew, without any basis whatsoever, if it makes you feel better.[/quote]You seem to getting personal again in ascribing all of HRC’s stated “phobes” to me, SK. I honestly believe that an (unk) portion of people who are verbally “polled” (whether in person on telephonically, unless it was actually during an “exit poll”) are disinclined to speak their truth in this election. That is, not to state to the pollster that they are supporting a candidate they deplore, but instead stating to the pollster that they hadn’t yet made up their minds and so just named a candidate to get rid of the pollster. Or stated they would vote for an Independent for President. At least this would be so in polls where their names would be known to the pollster. A lot of people just want to get through their day without calling undue attention upon themselves.
I’m not entirely convinced that the numerous polls taken daily and weekly are accurate or even within a +/- 3 point margin of error for the reason that people just generally don’t want the hassle of being judged by an army of raging liberal goons, ESPECIALLY in coastal CA and ESPECIALLY if they reside near the International Border in any state. For these reasons, I believe the current polls could be grossly underestimating the number of actual Trump supporters (“closeted” or otherwise). What I did find interesting among groups of friends and relatives (3 groups of 40-80 people in 2 “flyover states” – one decidedly deep red and the other supposedly blue) was that residents of the red state were not afraid to state “Trump all the way” to whoever wanted to know and each group of +/- 40 in gatherings and a reunion I attended appeared to have 3-5 HRC supporters each. In the (supposedly) blue state, among people discussing the election who were from all over the country (but mostly “flyover states”), about 12 of the 35-40 (out of ~80) people I spoke to stated they supported HRC and the rest Trump. Of course, I didn’t talk about the election to everyone at the events, nor did I actually speak to everyone who was there and about 15-20 people in two of the events were children. The groups consisted of Caucasians, Hispanics, African Americans, Native Americans and (a few) Asians (only because there aren’t many Asians residing in those locales) and combinations thereof.
That was the result of my “personal sampling poll” of 90-100 adults of all ages in 2 states.
Methinks we’re embarking on a very interesting and exciting election season!
bearishgurl
Participantflyer, if you don’t mind my asking, do you intend to vote for a presidential candidate in Election 2016? You’ve repeatedly stated here on the forum that you feel both the Rep and Dem candidates are essentially frauds.
Inquiring minds and all that ….
bearishgurl
Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=bearishgurl][quote=spdrun]That too. So we’d be increasing the police state for minimal benefit.[/quote]CA has an ICE checkpoint as well, usually situated just west of Winterhaven. However it was closed in recent weeks, likely due to intermittent road construction projects on I-8 for approx 100 miles. Not sure but it appears that the interstate may be in the process of widening east of the SD County mtns.[/quote]
I think it’s usually closed there. In fact, I’ve made that drive more than 20 times in the last 5 years. I’ve never see a checkpoint just west of Winterhaven. Tons of ICE agents hang out there near Gordon Wells. There’s been one on westbound 8, permanently, between El Cajon and the summit.
The highway project is between El Centro and Yuma.[/quote]Yes, I know about the one 4-5 miles east of Alpine.
I myself have made the drive to/from Flagstaff (via I-8/AZ 85/I-10/I-17) 18 times in the past five years (another dozen times were directly to or from CO via I-15/I-70) where no checkpoints exist. Another handful of times (4?) were to/from TX via I-8/I-10 where two more checkpoints existed. It’s been a few years since I drove to TX directly from SD but as I recall, there used to be a checkpoint near the AZ/NM border and another between Deming and Las Cruces, NM. I can’t remember how long ago I was stopped at a checkpoint in CA but as I recall, it was on the west end of the dunes (Gordon Wells??).
To AriDzona’s credit, they now have a new fwy, the AZ 303. Now that I actually had a smart phone in my possession on the way back home last week, I was able to see it on a current map (NOT the 10+ year-old paper maps in my glove compartment) and try it out! WOW … it took an hour off my l-o-o-o-ong drive home from ABQ (with multiple construction projects) last week! The 303 got me around all the PHX rush hour mess in record time and drops onto the 10 just a few miles east of JCT AZ 85. Even though it’s like driving on the moon, it serves its purpose to Phoenician exurban dwellers, I suppose ….. it’s really fast!
bearishgurl
Participant[quote=spdrun]That too. So we’d be increasing the police state for minimal benefit.[/quote]CA has an ICE checkpoint as well, usually situated just west of Winterhaven. However it was closed in recent weeks, likely due to intermittent road construction projects on I-8 for approx 100 miles. Not sure but it appears that the interstate may be in the process of widening east of the SD County mtns.
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Participant[quote=spdrun]
eVerify takes care of illegal’s getting jobs and will self deport. Next a change in policy to letting the border patrol do there thing should take care of the rest.
I don’t see why immigration (legal or illegal) is a big enough deal to justify expanding the surveillance state and police state. More electronic tracking of employees is the former, increased power of the Border Patrol is the latter.
The current situation is fine. Honestly, I’d rather work with quite a few illegal immigrants vs a lot of lazy-ass locally-born folk.[/quote]spd, many of them will NOT “self-deport” if they can’t get jobs. Especially if they have children who are US citizens who are enrolled in US schools (with free transportation to/from and free breakfast/lunch 5 days per wk) and their child(ren)’s other parent is collecting SNAP benefits for them and has a place to live in the US (whether under their own name or someone else’s). These workers will simply remain underground and continue to work “under the table” doing landscaping, housekeeping and other labor for individuals and sole proprietors, as they are now. Nothing will change.
bearishgurl
Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=bearishgurl]I have heard these suggestions (and more) from local “border-wall supporters” which are representative of local business people as well as individuals of ALL races and Nationalities including Hispanic, Filipino, Caucasian, Black, Native American and/or any combination thereof.
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Trump support among minorities is almost non-existent. Hispanic support is less than 1/2 of what Romney’s was 4 years ago, which was 1/3 less than Bush’s 8 years earlier. In some surveys, his support among African Americans is, within the margin of error, zero.
More than half of his support is from deplorables. You know, racists, xenophobes, homophobes. Clinton’s mistake in describing that support is that she underestimated it. More than 30% of his supporters think that freeing the slaves was a mistake. Great group you’ve thrown yourself in with. He is a shitstain on the country’s underpants that will never come out.[/quote]Oh yeah, I know. Everyone is “deplorable” to HRC who isn’t a deep-enough pocketed donor to her foundation or campaign. Those deep pockets include the millions of “liberal elite” in CA. Having been a longtime local Dem activist myself for nearly nine years, no one knows this fact better than I do.
I don’t believe enough “minorities” (whatever that is supposed to mean) are being adequately polled by the major pollsters. The only “polls” which will be entirely believable are those votes which are cast for the November 8 election. You must know that many people aren’t going to speak their truth if they think they will just be chastised for it. Voting, whether by mail or in person, is private. This is the only act that will tell the tale.
bearishgurl
Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=bearishgurl] I see that your great state of AZ (AriDzona, which I spent two entire days driving thru in recent weeks … SW to NE corner and vice versa) is turning redder by the day. [/quote]
No, it’s not getting redder. The ICE checkpoint on 8, east of the CA border doesn’t move. It’s been in the same place for at least 5 years.[/quote]In recent years, its been at various points west of Dateland. Earlier than that, it was east of Dateland in at least two trips I made. Your state was very red until HRC got a “bounce” from her convention where everyone sung kumbaya. Then it became slightly bluer and has been turning redder again in the month of September.
You must know that the “fat lady” hasn’t even entered the stage yet, SK.
bearishgurl
ParticipantGlad to see here that my (current and former) nemesis’ are now discussing that all important border wall (as if it could become a possibility) :=]
The “consensus” down here in my world among those “border dwellers” is that the border wall must be impermeable … that is that its foundation should be dug deep enough to prevent people crawling under it or digging tunnels beneath it. I have heard these suggestions (and more) from local “border-wall supporters” which are representative of local business people as well as individuals of ALL races and Nationalities including Hispanic, Filipino, Caucasian, Black, Native American and/or any combination thereof.
Nice to see you here posting again, SK! I see that your great state of AZ (AriDzona, which I spent two entire days driving thru in recent weeks … SW to NE corner and vice versa) is turning redder by the day. Of course, I didn’t make it through before getting my tires sniffed out by the well-trained German Shepards working your infamous east-west roving ICE checkpoints :=0
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ParticipantBack from a lo-o-o-ng road trip thru the heartland of America where my (circa 2010) semi-smart phone (“donated” to me by one of my kids 2 yrs ago) died on me. I ended up visiting an AT&T store on 9/2 where I purchased a Galaxy S7 Active with 6 buttons which I can feel while I’m driving and with an industrial-grade textured gold metal back which is supposed to be dustproof and waterproof (haven’t yet had a chance to validate these claims). So far, so good, but I may need to “reprogram” one or more of the actual buttons (3 on the sides and 3 on the bottom) because they cause my phone to go silent and other (undesired) effects when accidentally hit. This phone is so incredible and I have a LOT to learn about it. It has a faster computer in it than my two desktop computers which I use all day every day!
The AT&T corporate store I visited while traveling gave me a break because I was a transfer into them from Cingular back in the day and I had not been under contract with them for nearly 10 years so they waived the activation fee and gave me 3 GB data per month for free (of which I have used very little so far). My monthly bill will not increase at all to operate this phone except for the interest-free $26 month to pay for this (expensive) phone (which I am free to pay off any time). It is big and bright and I can see it in the direct sun … even in high-altitude states such as CO where there is no cloud cover!
I didn’t have any problem whatsoever with it recognizing my Jabra bluetooth earpiece. It found it right away.
I’m very happy with my new phone so far and did not realize what I was missing while using multiple used phones over the years (from “donations” from relatives and ebay phone purchases) for which the updating was soon to be or already expired. My phone which recently died took 1.5 to 2 minutes to load one web page and was often unsuccessful! I believe my new phone was introduced on or about 5/1/16.
The Galaxy S7 Android a great phone but can be a bit complicated to learn for a phone-technophobe type like myself. I did not want an iphone because I needed a heavy-duty case with buttons I can feel and the ability to add to its 32 mb memory at a later date. I’m hoping to keep my new phone for a very long time.
I plan on ordering a (~$5) “glass” screen cover for it tomorrow (AT&T wanted $35 for it and retail stores do not yet carry it – it has a cutout for the front 3 buttons which differentiate it from other Galaxy S7 screen covers).
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btw, my 22+ year-old car ran like a top and floated like a boat for the entire trip. Double and triple tractor trailer drivers were my friends! Total trip mileage was 4422. “V-rated” tires are the bomb!!
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