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ParticipantIt appears that 90% of the Huffpost comment crowd (5 pgs worth) asked Pelosi to resign when she publicly came out yesterday stating that she was “never associated” (lol) with Filner and called for his resignation as Mayor of SD.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/15/nancy-pelosi-bob-filner_n_3764227.html
WHY? Primarily because she said absolutely nothing all the while the Lewinsky-Clinton affair was in full force.
This (in)action renders her both a hypocrite and a “jealous prune” who needs to retire ASAP.
See, I told you guys that voters of every stripe have l-o-o-ong memories :=]
ParticipantSK, are you implying here that the mortgage applications you reviewed were signed by borrowers PRIOR to being typed in with fictitious information by mortgage brokers?
And, are you stating that the loan applicants you interviewed told you that they, in essence, signed a “blank document” for a mortgage to purchase real property after which they were told by their broker that everything was okay and they would get the loan??
Participant[quote=SK in CV]…In many cases (particularly in the instances you describe), those income figures were provided by someone other than the borrower.[/quote]
SK, those “income figures” had to be listed on the application somewhere. Then the applicants SIGNED the application, in essence, stating that they were declaring that the number represented on that document as their income was, in fact, true.
So, the “gardener and the maid” at all times KNEW what income they were using to obtain a (“80/20” or 100% LTV) mortgage on whatever kind of property they were attempting to buy at the time. On my block, this “real-life gardener and maid” (yes, for reals, Piggs) managed to pay $590K for a property which sold for about $267K just 2.5 yrs later as an REO.
Just because a (greedy, corrupt) “loan officer” filled in bogus income figures on a mtg application that the borrower signed and, in doing so, blatantly lied about, this doesn’t reduce the culpability of the borrower in the massive foreclosure mess we experienced from 2006 forward. In ALL of these cases, unqualified borrowers were attempting to purchase properties (and most were successful in doing so) which clearly were out of their league. These borrowers did so with their eyes wide open, IMO.
Participant[quote=njtosd] . . . I personally wonder whether Filner may be showing signs of dementia. I agree that the most recent victim seems an odd choice – it makes more sense if he is in the early stages of dementia. This type is not Alzheimers, but frontal lobe. These people slowly lose their “civilization,” and ultimately do things like disrobe in public and engage in (very) sexually inappropriate activities. It starts early and can progress slowly, and in the early stages is hard to distinguish from run of the mill bad behavior. That would be bad for the city – if it’s the result of a disease I wonder whether the city would be on the hook financially.[/quote]
nj, this is an interesting theory which I never considered. Filner has been a lot of things in the past but “groper” and “pervert” don’t fit the bill.
And I don’t buy that he’s “unsocialized” and doesn’t know how to act.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]The ever-present Allred is giving Taylor Baldwin an interview on the Filner fiasco at 3:50 pm today.
http://www.utsandiego.com/tv/watch-live/
And the Hedgecock show (w/Allred and Goldsmith) repeats itself at 6 pm this evening. The Filner segment begins approx 30 mins in.[/quote]
I watched the Baldwin/Allred clip. In it, Allred repeatedly brags that she has won multi-million-dollar awards and “confidential settlements” for her sexual harrassment and gender-discrimination “victim” clients.
It is clear that this Filner debacle is all about money for her. I’m just wondering if she ever got the memo that the City of SD has been teetering on the edge of BK in recent years.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]Boxer and now Feinstein? now appear to be grandstanding for Filner’s resignation and Boxer has undoubtedly spent hundreds of hours with Filner over the years and knows him WELL. She has decided to take this stand … not on any proven facts but because she is embarrassed for he CA Dem party of which she is a longtime member and doesn’t want any flies swarming around HER starched cuffs. Her stance is all about HER credibility and the DEMS ability to maintain their stronghold on the CA electorate in the future. Neither politician has any percipient knowledge whatsoever about the events Feelner is accused of and in fact neither of them reside or work in SD County.[/quote]
Sorry, I didn’t mean Feinstein (fmr Mayor of SF) was calling for Filner’s resignation. I meant Nancy Pelosi (D) SF, CA (fmr Speaker of the House and now House Minority Leader who knows Filner VERY WELL) is now calling for his resignation, along with Barbara Boxer.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/aug/07/countdown-those-asking-filner-to-resign/#&panel1-1
Again, Pelosi has no percipient knowledge of Filner’s “indiscretions” in SD as she has never resided there nor represented any constituencies there. In taking this stand, it is obvious that she, along with Boxer, are “towing the party line” for “public relations” reasons.
And by the way, I “used to be” a longtime registered Democrat.
Piggs, we need to ask ourselves how Filner got re-elected four times to Congress in the 50th and 51st Districts while seemingly never having any issues with “coming onto” or “groping” women he came into contact with on official duties. At least not any issues which were made public.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Filner
-Could it be that women residing in the Washington DC area, in general, have thicker skin (or are possibly far less litigious than women in SD are)?
-Or did he recently experience a trauma which changed his personality?
-OR, more likely, IMHO, did he (unknowingly) enter into a hotbed of entrenched political dysfunction when he ran for and won the mayoral seat for the City of SD??
Methinks that the 1st scenario (1/3) and the 3rd scenario (2/3) played their parts in the position City and Filner find themselves in today.
I just feel that it’s very unfortunate for SD on many levels that this public maelstrom went down the way it did.
ParticipantThe ever-present Allred is giving Taylor Baldwin an interview on the Filner fiasco at 3:50 pm today.
http://www.utsandiego.com/tv/watch-live/
And the Hedgecock show (w/Allred and Goldsmith) repeats itself at 6 pm this evening. The Filner segment begins approx 30 mins in.
ParticipantI keep seeing pots and kettles calling out each other whilst falling from the same rack :=0
Participant[quote=paulflorez]Filner should resign. Even if he didn’t do any of the things people accused him of doing, he didn’t handle his response well. When you stand up to established power brokers in the city, you’re going to make enemies and they will do things to hurt you or simply give you enough rope to hurt yourself. Once he admitted acting inappropriately, he lost my support…[/quote]
paulflorez, I agree that Filner did not handle his response well. He should have chained multiple counsel to his ankle very early on (upon the first allegation leveled against him) and had his counsel speak for him at all times. He should have done this even if he had to pay their initial retainer out of his pocket. A CA public official, whether elected or appointed has a right to taxpayer-paid counsel when or if they are accused criminally or civilly of behavior which occurred while in the line of duty.
I looked again carefully at the “to-and-fro” e-mail messages between City fiscal employees over this (petty, in the big picture) issue of the mayor’s office lacking receipts for roughly $3K of expenditures over a 3-4 month period. They are unusually polite and professional (when their writers have likely known each other for many years, if not decades) and their language appeared to be carefully “couched” to each other to make it appear as if the mayor’s office had committed some kind of crime. If truth be told, the City Attorney’s office could have very well put the writers up to this stunt in order to “create” a paper trail for their “witch hunt.” I believe the City attorney’s office OR the writer(s) (with the CA’s permission), “leaked” the msgs to the press. I believe this because of what Goldsmith said on the Roger H show today. He even appeared to me to be mildly amused when Roger played the devil’s advocate and asked, “Well, what if he doesn’t step down? He doesn’t have to, you know,” or something like that. This stunt was as transparent as a pane of glass to me.
I’m disappointed that Goldsmith has morphed from a no-nonsense civil judge in East County to a political animal virtually overnight.
If Filner’s attorney(s) ever get a chance to depose or cross-examine the writers of these e-mail msgs it’s going to get REALLY UGLY for them and everyone else they end up implicating when backed into a corner, IMHO. Being an ex-bureaucrat myself, I’ve seen a LOT in my day and am ever-cognizant that the character of a witness/deponent who is testifying is ALWAYS fair game, ESP gubment witnesses. Some of these longtime City employees (rank not necessarily important) and the City’s “power brokers” could very well be one and the same person. We must remember that these witnesses “histories” with the rest of the players in this saga go back a l-o-o-ong way, much of it memorialized in black and white, only to be dredged now up by those in the Filner camp possessing l-o-o-ong memories. Don’t for a minute think it won’t happen.
’nuff said. If this thing morphs into court in another month or so, it looks like more than just Filner will be forced to step down or “retire” … it’s all the same thing.
It’s such a dirty shame that City is so political that it can’t get anything else done right now .. but given its entrenched players, not the least bit surprising … at least not to me.
Participant[quote=paramount]I heard filner had issues with credit card use as well.[/quote]
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/aug/12/filner-credit-cards-westgate-nutribullet-mexico/
I saw a link in the above article about a $511 charge incurred in Spring 2013 on Feelner’s City credit card for 5-6 visits to the Westgate Hotel (across the st from City Hall) where his former? bodyguards are now telling the press he “met women.” Uhh, folks, the Westgate’s daily rates start at $194 night.
http://www.westgatehotel.com/rooms-suites/deluxe-rooms
These obviously weren’t “room charges.” These charges were very likely at the coffee shop or lounge, where HUNDREDS of local court, city and county employees go during lunch and after work and many “power meetings” of all stripes are routinely held. Feelner could have taken female community activists, developers or other female local elected officials there for lunch, a 10:00 am pastry and coffee or happy hour for all we know :=0
I downloaded the link with the e-mails back and forth about those bills. Each elected official (local and state) is allowed a certain amount of personal expense per month to run their office as they see fit. If that is a latte machine for their staff, so be it.
For a high-ranking elected or appointed officer of a large CA city, county or the state has a typical monthly vehicle allowance is $400-$700 and a typical office-expense allowance of $700-1500.
Why Feelner’s office did not submit receipts for these charges is unclear, but it could be because no one is doing the work because the mayor’s office is in such “turmoil.”
Feelner is a 20-yr veteran of Congress, for G@d’s sake. He KNOWS he is supposed to submit receipts for his expenses.
Goldsmith stated on the Roger Hedgecock show at 11:30 today
http://www.utsandiego.com/tv/sponsored-segments/
that his office had a proposal before the Council for its regular meeting of August 28 to ask a Superior Court judge for an “emergency injunction” or something of that nature which would, in effect, strip Feelner of his mayoral duties due to him not providing receipts for his official expenditures on the City credit card. I just don’t see this maneuver being successful if the receipts they are asking for are in the possession of Feelner’s counsel or filed with the court in response, ESPECially if Feelner’s employee(s) who were supposed to do this work have used this debacle as an “opportunity” to go out on “stress leave.” That is SOP among employees working for an elected official.
As usual, Allred took the oppty on Roger’s show this morning to grandstand and joke that she has heard from more women (but they refused to come forward) but admits no court has decided anything yet and she is only representing ONE client (a City employee) in a lawsuit against the City.
Boxer and now Feinstein? now appear to be grandstanding for Filner’s resignation and Boxer has undoubtedly spent hundreds of hours with Filner over the years and knows him WELL. She has decided to take this stand … not on any proven facts but because she is embarrassed for he CA Dem party of which she is a longtime member and doesn’t want any flies swarming around HER starched cuffs. Her stance is all about HER credibility and the DEMS ability to maintain their stronghold on the CA electorate in the future. Neither politician has any percipient knowledge whatsoever about the events Feelner is accused of and in fact neither of them reside or work in SD County.
Goldsmith is misguided. Instead of trying to find out what REALLY happened, he seems to be trying to find ANY REASON that might stick to the ceiling to get a judge to agree to strip the mayor of his duties.
Remember, that if Goldsmith is actually successful with this coup, this doesn’t mean Feelner won’t collect his municipal salary while he is stripped of his duties. It only means he will show up for work and his duties will have been assigned elsewhere. It doesn’t get him out of office.
Any Pigg residents of SD should ask themselves how they feel about paying Filner for doing nothing until the outcome of all the “investigations” is reached.
I wouldn’t put too much stock in the supposed “investigations” currently in progress by the County Sheriff’s Dept and the AG’s office that Allred brought up on the Hedgecock show. They have both (the AG moreso) investigated the h@ll out of a LOT of prominent San Diegans over the decades without anything ever coming from it. They are the (supposedly “impartial”) parties SD local gubments always call on when they want to order a “witch hunt.” H@ll, even HEDGECOCK was at one time under the microscope by all the same players! And he likely still uses the same shirt laundry today!
It’s very possible that Filner left “rehab” early because his counsel advised him to do so. In staying, it might appear to the public that he thinks he is guilty of all the charges currently being thrown at him.
It’s all just a big y-a-a-a-aw-w-w-wn … this too, shall pass.
ParticipantThe most-recent and “15th victim” was a senior-citizen volunteer coordinator for the City. She HAD to have been ~300 lbs (275 min) and at LEAST as old as the mayor. I’m just having a HARD TIME believing that “Mayor Feely Mealy” came onto her, ESP in the manner that she said he did LOL …
If she is filing a claim on the City for this alleged “behavior,” then she needs to be interviewed extensively, as do her “witnesses” and again, any resident flies on the wall.
Because the ever-present Allred is literally “speaking” for this “victim,” my take is that the 15th victim (and a few prior “victims”) have filed or are filing a claim with the City for sexual harassment as we all know that Allred doesn’t work for free :=]
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=gov&group=00001-01000&file=910-913.2
Some Piggs might laugh, but even though I am not a current resident of SD, I DO feel for it and have longtime friends who work in this “system” and want only what is in the best interest of its citizenry. And that is to summarily SHUT DOWN any bogus claims of “emotional distress” and get on with the business of the City.
My stance isn’t about Feelner at all. It’s about SD’s RESIDENTS and also in the City maintaining (if at all possible) its “position” as “America’s Finest City.”
And NO, DeMaio wasn’t and isn’t the answer. SD would have been much WORSE OFF with DeMaio left “in charge.” You people just can’t even imagine the havoc with City finances that his particular (problematic) ego would surely cause … straight out of the gate. SD taxpayers would have surely been on the hook for MILLIONS in legal bills generated by DeMaio’s (delusional) ego. He had and has no regard for THE LAW. It was his way or the highway. Had he actually been elected, SD’s tragic downfall would have been that the Justices just don’t see it his way.
DeMaio can’t fix it … and YOU can’t “fix it,” folks. It is what it is. Filner is smart enough to realize he must work within the “system” created long ago.
That’s all I’m saying. WE DON’T REALLY KNOW how many of these “so-called victims” are actually legitimate. Have you ever heard of copycat opportunists?
Unless proven in court otherwise, give Filner the benefit of the doubt and let him lead … for now.
Are there any viable alternatives currently “waiting in the wings” to run for SD mayor? Ask yourselves why there was such little interest in the last mayoral campaign …
Participant[quote=6packscaredy]http://theweek.com/article/index/248281/its-not-your-imagination-bmw-drivers-are-the-biggest-jerks
not that this proves anything…but it is research…
the hypothesis was people who drive BMWs are actually jerks…[/quote]
What is the prevailing hypothesis from the “research” done on “blue-haired ladies” getting (18 mph over) speeding tickets in their aging Lexus sedan in the middle of nowhere?
http://piggington.com/one_for_bearishgirl#comment-231797
Actually, I’ve never met a box of hair dye … up close and personal, that is … at least not YET lol …
Just kidding, scaredy, you don’t have to answer that :=D
Participant[quote=paramount]BG: If one can afford to buy in Temecula Proper, there are plenty areas of San Diego one could buy in as well.
I could move to San Diego tomorrow if I so desired, and while I don’t totally discount your thoughts and this has been well covered, there are obviously really good reasons to choose Temecula over San Diego.
I make considerably more than the average person who lives in San Diego, and in fact there is considerable wealth in Temecula.
I guess what it comes down to is schools: except for a few exclusive areas of San Diego, Temecula Schools are in general better than San Diego schools.[/quote]
[quote=6packscaredy] . . . i think really the main goal is not to enjoy one’s self, but to avoid suffering.[/quote]
Well, scaredy, not sure you mean that in a RE context, but if you do, my feeling is that there is far less suffering for a family in the long run if the parents have a shorter commute.
Paramount, I believe you when you say you could buy a home in SD. But, even though you are a Native San Diegan?, you won’t. Why? Because, even though you know you can likely get a largish lot in SD, you really don’t want a 1500 sf home … or a ~1700 sf fixer. You want a *newer,* more spacious house just like the vast majority in your demographic and younger. You would rather commute to work so you can have this kind of house for the same money and that’s okay. The quality of (public) “schools” between SD County and RIV County are a smokescreen, IMHO. You know that SDUSD has several programs available whereby a parent can pick their kids’ schools out (within reason). You know there are many very good public schools of all levels in SD (SDUSD) and also in adjoining Districts.
The choices to move to exurbia (and yes, TV is “exurbia” to SD County workers) all boil down to age and size of home for the same money. That’s the primary draw of TV to SD County workers.
Oh, and if TV supposedly has “Texas (RE) prices,” its weather is, more often than not, like TX than the SoCal coast as well! You pay for what you get, Paramount!
ParticipantParamount, I remember when you were discontented, ESPecially with the commute time to/from SD. But I don’t think you’ll have to worry about TV becoming “unpopular” due to comments made on a single blog.
There are TOO MANY prospective BUYERS out there who want a *newer* and *bigger* house for less money. They don’t CARE where its located.
There seems to be a HUGE HOMEBUYING CONTINGENT in “Gen Y” who doesn’t give a rat’s ass about a big lot (too much work) and doesn’t CARE if they have to commute ~1 hr+ to/from work to get the house they want at a particular price point … at least they don’t seem to care at the time they sign on the dotted line…
There will ALWAYS BE a “captive homebuying audience” for TV but they won’t have as much net worth, income or longevity as homebuyers in more convenient SoCal locations do.
It these factors don’t bother you, they don’t bother me 🙂
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