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scaredy, what are you growing in your “orchard?” Is there anything you are harvesting now??

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Ask yourselves why this book is now a “reading assignment” for HS seniors in some public schools …[/quote]

For the same politically correct reasons that Deasy is framing the discussion around iPads in LAUSD as being a civil rights issue that ‘these kids’ deserve to have iPads like the rich kids… 🙂

FF is just a symptom. The primary driver is bad habits gain in an extended adolescence and delayed marriage, which is then further complicated by a sedentary lifestyle which is further propagated by C&C.

As for ‘health clubs’ maybe 10% of the attendees are fit? Every time I show up, I see pretty typical American pudge and a boat load of people going thru the motions. Now if you’re showing up at 5AM, it tends to be the hard core crowd. mid-morning to mid-afternoon, the retire/sponsored set and after work, the harried I’m checking my workout box group.

Too much sitting, too much convenient food.[/quote]

I dunno, nsr. C&C was always around, even when there were only 2-3 FF joints to choose from. HOWEVER, workers probably didn’t commute as far as they do now, on average, and, in any case, didn’t have anywhere near the housing choices they have today.

The “commute” part of C&C is ALWAYS a conscious choice. The worker chose to put themselves through that. Eating FF for lunch or serving it to your family for dinner is also a conscious choice as there are many alternatives.

As for the gym, I see a LOT of fit people there (I think to think of myself as included in that group :)) but I have to admit that the majority of the regulars I see there (fit to extremely fit) are mostly boomers with a smattering of seniors. These are the people with more time to spend there getting in shape. The majority of the weightlifting crowd appear to be male HS and college students.

As for the “hard-core” 5 am crowd, I wouldn’t know because I don’t go there at that time :=0

I’ve observed that the 7 am crowd is composed of mostly seniors and some of them are in awesome shape. But my gym has been around for 23 years and many of its members have been going there that long.

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[quote=spdrun]Wait, so students get credit for giving the teacher something which their parents PAID for?(!) Wouldn’t that result in wealthier students getting higher grades — poorer students might borrow the book or want to re-sell it after they’re done. Sounds pretty discriminatory and bizarre.[/quote]

I completely agree. And this is not the first time this has happened to my kid(s). In my mind, public schools aren’t supposed to do this. They’re not supposed to base a “grade” on what the student can afford to contribute to the classroom (or afford to buy in order to get the grade). Today’s CA public school is also “divorcing itself” from extracurricular activities, even if the kids participating in it are wearing a school logo on their uniforms or holding themselves out as representing a certain school when traveling to other schools for competition (ex: cheerleading, dance, show choir, etc). The District(s) will now no longer provide all the equipment/clothing needed to participate in the activity (or provide any of it) or provide the transportation used for competitions/games or even stage sets, etc. In spite of what seems like constant fundraising, these expenses are very pricey for parents (in the thousands of dollars).

CA Districts seem to now be afraid of liability for activities conducted after school hours and demand releases from parents for all these activities or their kids won’t be able to participate in them.

My kids have all gone to public schools where the majority of the student population is relatively affluent but I seriously doubt these shenanigans would be accepted by most parents of students who attend public schools in a lower socioeconomic area.

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[quote=spdrun]I think they offered some salads as well, but most people would come back with one of the numbered burger ‘n fries combos and a soda. (Can’t say that I was totally innocent of this either.)

It was really a shame since there were a few good/cheap vegetarian Indian places down the road, but the crowd was sufficiently boring as to be grossed out by the prospect of Indian food.[/quote]

I’ve tried a couple of FF salads from “Jack” which were ordered for me by others.

They are good but when you count the calories for the salad plus the dressing they give you to put on it, it easily exceeds 1200 calories if you eat the whole thing (it doesn’t easily keep for later).

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My kid has a reading assignment this semester in English and will be tested on it after multiple discussions take place in the classroom:

If the books are turned into the teacher (parents paid for them) by the end of the semester, each student turning one in gets extra credit 🙂

Ask yourselves why this book is now a “reading assignment” for HS seniors in some public schools …

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[quote=spdrun]Yet when I worked for a company at an office complex in suburban NJ after college, the closest restaurant was Wendy’s. There were others a few traffic lights away on the highway, but people typically grabbed lunch from the closest place.[/quote]

Wendys in the worst diet for your health … especially their shakes which have more than a full day’s calorie allotment (for a very active person).

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[quote=The-Shoveler]From my experience, the married Office Cube workers eat mostly home prepared food and are not really too fat for the most part (The single ones not so much).
I think Construction workers and those who are not working in offices etc… actually end up getting fatter from FF.[/quote]

Construction workers are about the only folk who can get away with a FF diet and still maintain their weight because they get a boatload of exercise … a lot of it directly in the heat. That is, until their cholesterol levels catch up with them :=0

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[quote=no_such_reality][quote=spdrun]What about to food containing obesogenic compounds? (Though I’d agree that C&C is a large part of it.)[/quote]

The above, processed foods, ready to eat, massive increase in restaurant meals are all related to the commute/two worker households.

For as important as food is, it’s really pretty amazing how little the scientific community consensus there is on really what food does what.[/quote]

nsr, when I was a FT “worker bee” (for decades) with kids at home, I NEVER ate at FF joints. I ALWAYS brown-bagged my lunch (EVERY day except for holiday potlucks). Occasionally, I went to happy hour dtn after work (maybe 4-6 times per yr). My oldest got a happy meal from their dad on Thursday nights for a few years because I had two jobs back then.

I stopped at the commissary one night per week after work and usually arrived home by 6:30 pm with the groceries.

The only time we ate out was when we were on the road … almost NEVER while at home.

I think its BS that American worker-parents feel they have to feed their kids fast food … or eat out regularly … especially two-parent families where both work.

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[quote=spdrun]What about to food containing obesogenic compounds? (Though I’d agree that C&C is a large part of it.)[/quote]

I think Mickey D’s and its assorted competition plays a larger part in obesity in America than C & C does.

The reason is because there is a faction of the C & C group who have regularly frequented “the gym” for all or most of their working lives. I see them regularly but don’t know what the percentage of worker-bees are who have ingrained this habit into their daily/weekly routines.

The beauty of some of those rural NorCal counties is that their leaders were/are so focused on “preservation” that they didn’t and don’t issue permits for fast food restaurants and their incipient garish storefronts and signage … which is good for residents and tourists alike 🙂

I don’t even stop at them if I’m on the open road for 12+ hrs, that is … unless I have a kid in tow with me who is whining for one. I pack road snacks from home or wherever I’m staying and always carry a small ice chest of water, fruit and veggies and deli meat/cheese.

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[quote=6packscaredy]I like the yard work.

I think what I want to be for my final stretch is a strength inspiration/trainer for old men.

Not a college prof.[/quote]

Those “hippie farmers” up there are undoubtedly in better shape than their So-Cal brethren, most of whom have likely sat in offices, cubicles and vehicles most of their lives.

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I put Lake County on my retirement shortlist over the summer.

http://www.lakecounty.com/AboutLC/photos/scenic.htm

I’m leaning towards between Conestoga and the bottom of the lake but finding it’s a bit of a pricey region to buy in. Still exploring other areas of the county.

I know it would be a good place for me … just about perfect!

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[quote=spdrun]Unless they find a massive strike of oil there, northern CA will still be sleepy, quiet, and relatively cheap in 20 years. Too far from SF or Portland to become really suburbanized.

Think now much northern New England’s population has changed in 20 years, and you get the idea.[/quote]

Absolutely, spdrun. Even the masses of boomers retiring from now to 2020 want to be close to a big city hospital and/or trauma center. As “bucolic” as it is up there, it is attractive to live in only to certain types of individuals (ex: the scaredycats and bearishgurls of the world) :=]

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[quote=6packscaredy]No point.

10 years from now everything will be different.

Not worth planning.

Too much yard work to do.[/quote]

I don’t think so, scaredy. At least it won’t be that much different, if any, in Humboldt County. It hasn’t changed all that much up there in 50 years.

I’m sure you know that being an “armchair traveler” isn’t the same as actually going there. Your kids will love it.

I think you should hire help with some or all of the trimming of your (orchard?) and hit the road … just this once.

It will change your perspective on things.

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[quote=6packscaredy][quote=no_such_reality][quote=6packscaredy]what about arcata ca? i see a place on the coast like right ont he coast can be had for the 150’s. why the hell is everyone here in southern ca again? i cant remember…[/quote]

Because in Eureka, you’ve got 4 subcultures. Loggers, large scale ranchers, organic hippie farmers, & herb growers.[/quote]

I would like to befriend you all[/quote]

I thought so, scaredy. I could see you as a (latent) “organic hippie farmer” and/or “herb grower” (with a PT alter-ego as a college prof). Seriously …

Why NOT??

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