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ParticipantSeems to me that Rich’s charts on sales/foreclosures ratio tracks very well with the derivative of sales price. If you know more foreclosures are coming, you can be pretty confident that prices will keep dropping until sales exceed NOD’s
ParticipantI’m not looking for a medal here, but in my family’s case (well, the 3/8 that didn’t immigrate around 1900), we have several Union officers and an underground RR family. What exactly did we do to encourage slavery?
ParticipantI’m not looking for a medal here, but in my family’s case (well, the 3/8 that didn’t immigrate around 1900), we have several Union officers and an underground RR family. What exactly did we do to encourage slavery?
ParticipantI’m not looking for a medal here, but in my family’s case (well, the 3/8 that didn’t immigrate around 1900), we have several Union officers and an underground RR family. What exactly did we do to encourage slavery?
ParticipantI’m not looking for a medal here, but in my family’s case (well, the 3/8 that didn’t immigrate around 1900), we have several Union officers and an underground RR family. What exactly did we do to encourage slavery?
ParticipantI’m not looking for a medal here, but in my family’s case (well, the 3/8 that didn’t immigrate around 1900), we have several Union officers and an underground RR family. What exactly did we do to encourage slavery?
ParticipantMarion,
I think the answer is that polygamy is well outside the framework of marriage. It’s not hard to see how a white guy and a black woman can have a normal marriage. I think there are ample examples that a gay couple can have as close to a normal marriage as possible without opposite plumbing; controversy aside, it’s become rather commonplace.
On the other hand, polygamy in the US is neither common place, ethically acceptable (by which I mean “is it OK if the boss knows?”; the gay engineers I work with don’t advertise, but they do have family pics up), nor does it map (legally or taxably) onto the way marriage works now. It opens so many cans of worms (partial divorce, child custody, rewriting tax codes) that it can’t easily be done without extreme legislative intervention. It’s also much harder/impossible to frame as a civil rights/discrimination issue since polygamy is rather indisputably a choice.
All that said, I do have to ask, why is polygamy indisputably wrong? Polygamy and polyandry have been practiced by dozens of cultures throughout history. The groups favoring it now tend to subjugate their women, but it’s not clear to me that this is a necessary flaw. It’s also not clear to me that I want government regulating this sort of thing… as was pointed out above, just because I’m a white, straight, married American male doesn’t mean I will always be on the right side of public tyranny.
ParticipantMarion,
I think the answer is that polygamy is well outside the framework of marriage. It’s not hard to see how a white guy and a black woman can have a normal marriage. I think there are ample examples that a gay couple can have as close to a normal marriage as possible without opposite plumbing; controversy aside, it’s become rather commonplace.
On the other hand, polygamy in the US is neither common place, ethically acceptable (by which I mean “is it OK if the boss knows?”; the gay engineers I work with don’t advertise, but they do have family pics up), nor does it map (legally or taxably) onto the way marriage works now. It opens so many cans of worms (partial divorce, child custody, rewriting tax codes) that it can’t easily be done without extreme legislative intervention. It’s also much harder/impossible to frame as a civil rights/discrimination issue since polygamy is rather indisputably a choice.
All that said, I do have to ask, why is polygamy indisputably wrong? Polygamy and polyandry have been practiced by dozens of cultures throughout history. The groups favoring it now tend to subjugate their women, but it’s not clear to me that this is a necessary flaw. It’s also not clear to me that I want government regulating this sort of thing… as was pointed out above, just because I’m a white, straight, married American male doesn’t mean I will always be on the right side of public tyranny.
ParticipantMarion,
I think the answer is that polygamy is well outside the framework of marriage. It’s not hard to see how a white guy and a black woman can have a normal marriage. I think there are ample examples that a gay couple can have as close to a normal marriage as possible without opposite plumbing; controversy aside, it’s become rather commonplace.
On the other hand, polygamy in the US is neither common place, ethically acceptable (by which I mean “is it OK if the boss knows?”; the gay engineers I work with don’t advertise, but they do have family pics up), nor does it map (legally or taxably) onto the way marriage works now. It opens so many cans of worms (partial divorce, child custody, rewriting tax codes) that it can’t easily be done without extreme legislative intervention. It’s also much harder/impossible to frame as a civil rights/discrimination issue since polygamy is rather indisputably a choice.
All that said, I do have to ask, why is polygamy indisputably wrong? Polygamy and polyandry have been practiced by dozens of cultures throughout history. The groups favoring it now tend to subjugate their women, but it’s not clear to me that this is a necessary flaw. It’s also not clear to me that I want government regulating this sort of thing… as was pointed out above, just because I’m a white, straight, married American male doesn’t mean I will always be on the right side of public tyranny.
ParticipantMarion,
I think the answer is that polygamy is well outside the framework of marriage. It’s not hard to see how a white guy and a black woman can have a normal marriage. I think there are ample examples that a gay couple can have as close to a normal marriage as possible without opposite plumbing; controversy aside, it’s become rather commonplace.
On the other hand, polygamy in the US is neither common place, ethically acceptable (by which I mean “is it OK if the boss knows?”; the gay engineers I work with don’t advertise, but they do have family pics up), nor does it map (legally or taxably) onto the way marriage works now. It opens so many cans of worms (partial divorce, child custody, rewriting tax codes) that it can’t easily be done without extreme legislative intervention. It’s also much harder/impossible to frame as a civil rights/discrimination issue since polygamy is rather indisputably a choice.
All that said, I do have to ask, why is polygamy indisputably wrong? Polygamy and polyandry have been practiced by dozens of cultures throughout history. The groups favoring it now tend to subjugate their women, but it’s not clear to me that this is a necessary flaw. It’s also not clear to me that I want government regulating this sort of thing… as was pointed out above, just because I’m a white, straight, married American male doesn’t mean I will always be on the right side of public tyranny.
ParticipantMarion,
I think the answer is that polygamy is well outside the framework of marriage. It’s not hard to see how a white guy and a black woman can have a normal marriage. I think there are ample examples that a gay couple can have as close to a normal marriage as possible without opposite plumbing; controversy aside, it’s become rather commonplace.
On the other hand, polygamy in the US is neither common place, ethically acceptable (by which I mean “is it OK if the boss knows?”; the gay engineers I work with don’t advertise, but they do have family pics up), nor does it map (legally or taxably) onto the way marriage works now. It opens so many cans of worms (partial divorce, child custody, rewriting tax codes) that it can’t easily be done without extreme legislative intervention. It’s also much harder/impossible to frame as a civil rights/discrimination issue since polygamy is rather indisputably a choice.
All that said, I do have to ask, why is polygamy indisputably wrong? Polygamy and polyandry have been practiced by dozens of cultures throughout history. The groups favoring it now tend to subjugate their women, but it’s not clear to me that this is a necessary flaw. It’s also not clear to me that I want government regulating this sort of thing… as was pointed out above, just because I’m a white, straight, married American male doesn’t mean I will always be on the right side of public tyranny.
ParticipantWell, if gay marriage and interracial marriage rulings are any example, polygamy might well become legal when about 40% of people approve of the practice. That sort of large minority isn’t happening right now, except maybe in Utah where they were forced to write a ban into their original constitution.
Realize for a moment, though, that polygamy laws come from the dominant culture. We may find it distateful, but polygamy is legal in the Muslim world because their religion allows it. It used to be legal in pre-state Utah beecause their religion allowed it. I think our problem with polygamy isn’t hippie triads living in San Francisco and abusing Vaseline, but cultures where women are bred to be property.
ParticipantWell, if gay marriage and interracial marriage rulings are any example, polygamy might well become legal when about 40% of people approve of the practice. That sort of large minority isn’t happening right now, except maybe in Utah where they were forced to write a ban into their original constitution.
Realize for a moment, though, that polygamy laws come from the dominant culture. We may find it distateful, but polygamy is legal in the Muslim world because their religion allows it. It used to be legal in pre-state Utah beecause their religion allowed it. I think our problem with polygamy isn’t hippie triads living in San Francisco and abusing Vaseline, but cultures where women are bred to be property.
ParticipantWell, if gay marriage and interracial marriage rulings are any example, polygamy might well become legal when about 40% of people approve of the practice. That sort of large minority isn’t happening right now, except maybe in Utah where they were forced to write a ban into their original constitution.
Realize for a moment, though, that polygamy laws come from the dominant culture. We may find it distateful, but polygamy is legal in the Muslim world because their religion allows it. It used to be legal in pre-state Utah beecause their religion allowed it. I think our problem with polygamy isn’t hippie triads living in San Francisco and abusing Vaseline, but cultures where women are bred to be property.
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