[Allan from Fallbrook]

Ex-SD: I averred from posting on this thread due to the fact it got hijacked into a diatribe on Race in America.

You’ll note that any hard questioning of Obama’s motives, history or religiosity is immediately challenged as racist.

Geraldine Ferraro was mentioned on this thread, along with the imprecation that her quotes and comments on Obama were “sickening”. Really? They were sickening? She brought up what I considered some valid points, and gets accused of race baiting, and then is forcibly ejected from the Clinton campaign.

I’m with you. I could care less about Obama’s ethnicity. I am curious about his voting record, and his relationship with Tony Rezko, and his emergence from the Chicago Democratic Machine and where those particular bodies (figuratively speaking) are buried.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Ex-SD: I averred from posting on this thread due to the fact it got hijacked into a diatribe on Race in America.

You’ll note that any hard questioning of Obama’s motives, history or religiosity is immediately challenged as racist.

Geraldine Ferraro was mentioned on this thread, along with the imprecation that her quotes and comments on Obama were “sickening”. Really? They were sickening? She brought up what I considered some valid points, and gets accused of race baiting, and then is forcibly ejected from the Clinton campaign.

I’m with you. I could care less about Obama’s ethnicity. I am curious about his voting record, and his relationship with Tony Rezko, and his emergence from the Chicago Democratic Machine and where those particular bodies (figuratively speaking) are buried.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Ex-SD: I averred from posting on this thread due to the fact it got hijacked into a diatribe on Race in America.

You’ll note that any hard questioning of Obama’s motives, history or religiosity is immediately challenged as racist.

Geraldine Ferraro was mentioned on this thread, along with the imprecation that her quotes and comments on Obama were “sickening”. Really? They were sickening? She brought up what I considered some valid points, and gets accused of race baiting, and then is forcibly ejected from the Clinton campaign.

I’m with you. I could care less about Obama’s ethnicity. I am curious about his voting record, and his relationship with Tony Rezko, and his emergence from the Chicago Democratic Machine and where those particular bodies (figuratively speaking) are buried.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Ex-SD: I averred from posting on this thread due to the fact it got hijacked into a diatribe on Race in America.

You’ll note that any hard questioning of Obama’s motives, history or religiosity is immediately challenged as racist.

Geraldine Ferraro was mentioned on this thread, along with the imprecation that her quotes and comments on Obama were “sickening”. Really? They were sickening? She brought up what I considered some valid points, and gets accused of race baiting, and then is forcibly ejected from the Clinton campaign.

I’m with you. I could care less about Obama’s ethnicity. I am curious about his voting record, and his relationship with Tony Rezko, and his emergence from the Chicago Democratic Machine and where those particular bodies (figuratively speaking) are buried.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

CA renter: Where it gets truly ugly is when you calculate inflation or unemployment or the CPI on your own (not using government “modified” statistics). You then realize that inflation and unemployment and costs/prices are far in excess of what is being reported.

Real wages have been stagnant since the 1970s, we’ve watched as they’ve exported our manufacturing base overseas and we’ve been told that the “service” economy is the way forward. Meanwhile, people get deeper and deeper in debt, while the FED, with the blessing of the President and Congress, keeps printing off more and more paper money.

World of hurt is right. It’s gonna be downright frickin’ ugly when this train finally goes off the tracks.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

CA renter: Where it gets truly ugly is when you calculate inflation or unemployment or the CPI on your own (not using government “modified” statistics). You then realize that inflation and unemployment and costs/prices are far in excess of what is being reported.

Real wages have been stagnant since the 1970s, we’ve watched as they’ve exported our manufacturing base overseas and we’ve been told that the “service” economy is the way forward. Meanwhile, people get deeper and deeper in debt, while the FED, with the blessing of the President and Congress, keeps printing off more and more paper money.

World of hurt is right. It’s gonna be downright frickin’ ugly when this train finally goes off the tracks.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

CA renter: Where it gets truly ugly is when you calculate inflation or unemployment or the CPI on your own (not using government “modified” statistics). You then realize that inflation and unemployment and costs/prices are far in excess of what is being reported.

Real wages have been stagnant since the 1970s, we’ve watched as they’ve exported our manufacturing base overseas and we’ve been told that the “service” economy is the way forward. Meanwhile, people get deeper and deeper in debt, while the FED, with the blessing of the President and Congress, keeps printing off more and more paper money.

World of hurt is right. It’s gonna be downright frickin’ ugly when this train finally goes off the tracks.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

CA renter: Where it gets truly ugly is when you calculate inflation or unemployment or the CPI on your own (not using government “modified” statistics). You then realize that inflation and unemployment and costs/prices are far in excess of what is being reported.

Real wages have been stagnant since the 1970s, we’ve watched as they’ve exported our manufacturing base overseas and we’ve been told that the “service” economy is the way forward. Meanwhile, people get deeper and deeper in debt, while the FED, with the blessing of the President and Congress, keeps printing off more and more paper money.

World of hurt is right. It’s gonna be downright frickin’ ugly when this train finally goes off the tracks.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

CA renter: Where it gets truly ugly is when you calculate inflation or unemployment or the CPI on your own (not using government “modified” statistics). You then realize that inflation and unemployment and costs/prices are far in excess of what is being reported.

Real wages have been stagnant since the 1970s, we’ve watched as they’ve exported our manufacturing base overseas and we’ve been told that the “service” economy is the way forward. Meanwhile, people get deeper and deeper in debt, while the FED, with the blessing of the President and Congress, keeps printing off more and more paper money.

World of hurt is right. It’s gonna be downright frickin’ ugly when this train finally goes off the tracks.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Ex-SD: I work in a pretty specialized field (seismic and blast engineering), and it seems to me that a return to some good old-fashioned 1930s WPA-type infrastructure programs (repairing and replacing bridges, roads, railways, etc) might be just the ticket.

We need something of substance to restart the economy and reinvigorate America’s manufacturing base, and it sure as hell isn’t residential housing or commercial real estate.

I like McCain’s proposal regarding building new nuke reactors. France derives 80% of their power from nukes, and they have been very successful with building and maintaining their power plants. The added benefit to America is bringing some fairly heavy engineering capability back to our shores, as well as putting folks to work on badly needed programs to fix our collapsing infrastructure and power base.

What worries me about Obama is the same thing that worries you: Where’s the beef? I will grant that he is an outstanding orator, but beyond the rhetoric, I have seen little of real substance.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Ex-SD: I work in a pretty specialized field (seismic and blast engineering), and it seems to me that a return to some good old-fashioned 1930s WPA-type infrastructure programs (repairing and replacing bridges, roads, railways, etc) might be just the ticket.

We need something of substance to restart the economy and reinvigorate America’s manufacturing base, and it sure as hell isn’t residential housing or commercial real estate.

I like McCain’s proposal regarding building new nuke reactors. France derives 80% of their power from nukes, and they have been very successful with building and maintaining their power plants. The added benefit to America is bringing some fairly heavy engineering capability back to our shores, as well as putting folks to work on badly needed programs to fix our collapsing infrastructure and power base.

What worries me about Obama is the same thing that worries you: Where’s the beef? I will grant that he is an outstanding orator, but beyond the rhetoric, I have seen little of real substance.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Ex-SD: I work in a pretty specialized field (seismic and blast engineering), and it seems to me that a return to some good old-fashioned 1930s WPA-type infrastructure programs (repairing and replacing bridges, roads, railways, etc) might be just the ticket.

We need something of substance to restart the economy and reinvigorate America’s manufacturing base, and it sure as hell isn’t residential housing or commercial real estate.

I like McCain’s proposal regarding building new nuke reactors. France derives 80% of their power from nukes, and they have been very successful with building and maintaining their power plants. The added benefit to America is bringing some fairly heavy engineering capability back to our shores, as well as putting folks to work on badly needed programs to fix our collapsing infrastructure and power base.

What worries me about Obama is the same thing that worries you: Where’s the beef? I will grant that he is an outstanding orator, but beyond the rhetoric, I have seen little of real substance.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Ex-SD: I work in a pretty specialized field (seismic and blast engineering), and it seems to me that a return to some good old-fashioned 1930s WPA-type infrastructure programs (repairing and replacing bridges, roads, railways, etc) might be just the ticket.

We need something of substance to restart the economy and reinvigorate America’s manufacturing base, and it sure as hell isn’t residential housing or commercial real estate.

I like McCain’s proposal regarding building new nuke reactors. France derives 80% of their power from nukes, and they have been very successful with building and maintaining their power plants. The added benefit to America is bringing some fairly heavy engineering capability back to our shores, as well as putting folks to work on badly needed programs to fix our collapsing infrastructure and power base.

What worries me about Obama is the same thing that worries you: Where’s the beef? I will grant that he is an outstanding orator, but beyond the rhetoric, I have seen little of real substance.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Ex-SD: I work in a pretty specialized field (seismic and blast engineering), and it seems to me that a return to some good old-fashioned 1930s WPA-type infrastructure programs (repairing and replacing bridges, roads, railways, etc) might be just the ticket.

We need something of substance to restart the economy and reinvigorate America’s manufacturing base, and it sure as hell isn’t residential housing or commercial real estate.

I like McCain’s proposal regarding building new nuke reactors. France derives 80% of their power from nukes, and they have been very successful with building and maintaining their power plants. The added benefit to America is bringing some fairly heavy engineering capability back to our shores, as well as putting folks to work on badly needed programs to fix our collapsing infrastructure and power base.

What worries me about Obama is the same thing that worries you: Where’s the beef? I will grant that he is an outstanding orator, but beyond the rhetoric, I have seen little of real substance.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Ex-SD: I would agree with everything you said, as well as adding an additional caveat: No politician, Repub or Dem, in his right mind is going to tell the American people the truth at this juncture.

The truth being that we (the United States) are essentially insolvent as of right now. We have been gaming the world financial system for about 25 years now and the bill is finally coming due.

Can you imagine the fallout if either McCain or Obama got up on the stage and laid out the facts to the American people? Sweet Jesus, it’d be chaos.

I really pity the next President. And I don’t think it really matters right now which of them wins. The mess is so huge that it dwarfs the ability of the President, Congress, etc to fix the problem. Which supposes that they had the will and the foresight to want to.

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