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July 3, 2008 at 8:27 AM in reply to: McCain should win in landslide. Obama turning out to be a lightweight. #232748July 3, 2008 at 8:27 AM in reply to: McCain should win in landslide. Obama turning out to be a lightweight. #232760
Allan from Fallbrook
Participantsurveyor: The best illustration I can think of regarding Israel’s getting screwed in negotiations is the 1993 Oslo Peace Accords.
Israel scrupulously followed the agreement, while the PLO failed to live up to nearly all of the agreed upon points. Most notoriously, Arafat did not deliver upon his promise to remove the central tenet of the PLO Charter, which is the denial of Israel’s right to exist.
The Accords called for the creation of a Palestinian state, and were hailed by the Clinton Administration as a means for finally stopping the violence and offering a real solution. In point of fact, Arafat had no intention of following through, as his actions clearly show, and he “rewarded” Israel’s diplomacy by launching a new intifada in 2000.
The Palestinians are nothing other than disposable pawns, and have been used by the Syrians, Jordanians and Saudis for years as just that. If the goal is truly a self sufficient Palestinian state, why do all of the neighboring Arab nations treat them as castoffs? Look at Jordan’s treatment of the Palestinians, including forced expulsion, and tell me how bad Israel is.
The Europeans have consistently made a hash of the Middle East, from the British Mandate for Palestine to the French in the Levant (Lebanon). Now we are trusting their diplomatic skills in Iran, a country committed to regional hegemony and utterly contemptuous of the Europeans.
July 3, 2008 at 8:27 AM in reply to: McCain should win in landslide. Obama turning out to be a lightweight. #232800Allan from Fallbrook
Participantsurveyor: The best illustration I can think of regarding Israel’s getting screwed in negotiations is the 1993 Oslo Peace Accords.
Israel scrupulously followed the agreement, while the PLO failed to live up to nearly all of the agreed upon points. Most notoriously, Arafat did not deliver upon his promise to remove the central tenet of the PLO Charter, which is the denial of Israel’s right to exist.
The Accords called for the creation of a Palestinian state, and were hailed by the Clinton Administration as a means for finally stopping the violence and offering a real solution. In point of fact, Arafat had no intention of following through, as his actions clearly show, and he “rewarded” Israel’s diplomacy by launching a new intifada in 2000.
The Palestinians are nothing other than disposable pawns, and have been used by the Syrians, Jordanians and Saudis for years as just that. If the goal is truly a self sufficient Palestinian state, why do all of the neighboring Arab nations treat them as castoffs? Look at Jordan’s treatment of the Palestinians, including forced expulsion, and tell me how bad Israel is.
The Europeans have consistently made a hash of the Middle East, from the British Mandate for Palestine to the French in the Levant (Lebanon). Now we are trusting their diplomatic skills in Iran, a country committed to regional hegemony and utterly contemptuous of the Europeans.
July 3, 2008 at 8:27 AM in reply to: McCain should win in landslide. Obama turning out to be a lightweight. #232811Allan from Fallbrook
Participantsurveyor: The best illustration I can think of regarding Israel’s getting screwed in negotiations is the 1993 Oslo Peace Accords.
Israel scrupulously followed the agreement, while the PLO failed to live up to nearly all of the agreed upon points. Most notoriously, Arafat did not deliver upon his promise to remove the central tenet of the PLO Charter, which is the denial of Israel’s right to exist.
The Accords called for the creation of a Palestinian state, and were hailed by the Clinton Administration as a means for finally stopping the violence and offering a real solution. In point of fact, Arafat had no intention of following through, as his actions clearly show, and he “rewarded” Israel’s diplomacy by launching a new intifada in 2000.
The Palestinians are nothing other than disposable pawns, and have been used by the Syrians, Jordanians and Saudis for years as just that. If the goal is truly a self sufficient Palestinian state, why do all of the neighboring Arab nations treat them as castoffs? Look at Jordan’s treatment of the Palestinians, including forced expulsion, and tell me how bad Israel is.
The Europeans have consistently made a hash of the Middle East, from the British Mandate for Palestine to the French in the Levant (Lebanon). Now we are trusting their diplomatic skills in Iran, a country committed to regional hegemony and utterly contemptuous of the Europeans.
July 2, 2008 at 3:01 PM in reply to: McCain should win in landslide. Obama turning out to be a lightweight. #232466Allan from Fallbrook
Participantgandalf: This is way more fun than work, as evidenced by the couple of pissed off client calls I fielded today cuz I was spending a bit too much time on Pigginton’s. Not that they knew that, of course. They just knew I was behind on some promised deliverables.
Ah, who needs a stupid job, anyways?
July 2, 2008 at 3:01 PM in reply to: McCain should win in landslide. Obama turning out to be a lightweight. #232587Allan from Fallbrook
Participantgandalf: This is way more fun than work, as evidenced by the couple of pissed off client calls I fielded today cuz I was spending a bit too much time on Pigginton’s. Not that they knew that, of course. They just knew I was behind on some promised deliverables.
Ah, who needs a stupid job, anyways?
July 2, 2008 at 3:01 PM in reply to: McCain should win in landslide. Obama turning out to be a lightweight. #232597Allan from Fallbrook
Participantgandalf: This is way more fun than work, as evidenced by the couple of pissed off client calls I fielded today cuz I was spending a bit too much time on Pigginton’s. Not that they knew that, of course. They just knew I was behind on some promised deliverables.
Ah, who needs a stupid job, anyways?
July 2, 2008 at 3:01 PM in reply to: McCain should win in landslide. Obama turning out to be a lightweight. #232638Allan from Fallbrook
Participantgandalf: This is way more fun than work, as evidenced by the couple of pissed off client calls I fielded today cuz I was spending a bit too much time on Pigginton’s. Not that they knew that, of course. They just knew I was behind on some promised deliverables.
Ah, who needs a stupid job, anyways?
July 2, 2008 at 3:01 PM in reply to: McCain should win in landslide. Obama turning out to be a lightweight. #232647Allan from Fallbrook
Participantgandalf: This is way more fun than work, as evidenced by the couple of pissed off client calls I fielded today cuz I was spending a bit too much time on Pigginton’s. Not that they knew that, of course. They just knew I was behind on some promised deliverables.
Ah, who needs a stupid job, anyways?
July 2, 2008 at 1:01 PM in reply to: McCain should win in landslide. Obama turning out to be a lightweight. #232401Allan from Fallbrook
Participantafx: Might be time for us to resume nuclear testing in the Pacific, no?
Light a couple of 50 megaton air burst nukes over some isolated atoll and watch the reaction from the Mid-East, Moscow, Beijing and San Francisco.
I am kidding, by the way. I might be a hawk, but I ain’t crazy.
July 2, 2008 at 1:01 PM in reply to: McCain should win in landslide. Obama turning out to be a lightweight. #232522Allan from Fallbrook
Participantafx: Might be time for us to resume nuclear testing in the Pacific, no?
Light a couple of 50 megaton air burst nukes over some isolated atoll and watch the reaction from the Mid-East, Moscow, Beijing and San Francisco.
I am kidding, by the way. I might be a hawk, but I ain’t crazy.
July 2, 2008 at 1:01 PM in reply to: McCain should win in landslide. Obama turning out to be a lightweight. #232535Allan from Fallbrook
Participantafx: Might be time for us to resume nuclear testing in the Pacific, no?
Light a couple of 50 megaton air burst nukes over some isolated atoll and watch the reaction from the Mid-East, Moscow, Beijing and San Francisco.
I am kidding, by the way. I might be a hawk, but I ain’t crazy.
July 2, 2008 at 1:01 PM in reply to: McCain should win in landslide. Obama turning out to be a lightweight. #232573Allan from Fallbrook
Participantafx: Might be time for us to resume nuclear testing in the Pacific, no?
Light a couple of 50 megaton air burst nukes over some isolated atoll and watch the reaction from the Mid-East, Moscow, Beijing and San Francisco.
I am kidding, by the way. I might be a hawk, but I ain’t crazy.
July 2, 2008 at 1:01 PM in reply to: McCain should win in landslide. Obama turning out to be a lightweight. #232584Allan from Fallbrook
Participantafx: Might be time for us to resume nuclear testing in the Pacific, no?
Light a couple of 50 megaton air burst nukes over some isolated atoll and watch the reaction from the Mid-East, Moscow, Beijing and San Francisco.
I am kidding, by the way. I might be a hawk, but I ain’t crazy.
July 2, 2008 at 12:21 PM in reply to: McCain should win in landslide. Obama turning out to be a lightweight. #232366Allan from Fallbrook
Participantafx: You know that Putin, ex-KGB officer that he is, is licking his chops at the prospect of destabilization in the region. The Soviets had numerous contingency plans drawn up during the Cold War for exactly this type, or these types, of scenario(s).
I’m more curious about the Chinese. They are starting to feel their oats and the nationalistic vitriol accompanying the run-up to the Olympic Games shows what path they are on.
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