[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: I AM NOT VOTING FOR MCCAIN!!! Lord Almighty. He has his own baggage in my book, and I am not voting for either of them.

Do I think Obama is calculating? Yup. He’s a politician. What do all politicians do? They work to get elected. What do you have to do to get elected? Whatever it takes, baby. What about Reverend Wright? Is it really believable that Obama sat in that pew for 20 odd years and missed ALL of the rhetoric? Hmm? I found that I little hard to swallow. Any more than McCain’s aligning himself with Reverend Hagee (yeah, look this clown up and tell me what you think) and then reversing himself when he realized how much blowback there would be if he stuck with him.

As to a hasty pull out from Iraq: Open a history book to Southeast Asia, post-April 1975 and you tell me what happened when the US abruptly exited. Look at Vietnam and Cambodia once the North Vietnamese took control of South Vietnam and the Khmer Rouges and Pol Pot did the same in Cambodia. History has a nasty way of repeating itself, just like the song says.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: I AM NOT VOTING FOR MCCAIN!!! Lord Almighty. He has his own baggage in my book, and I am not voting for either of them.

Do I think Obama is calculating? Yup. He’s a politician. What do all politicians do? They work to get elected. What do you have to do to get elected? Whatever it takes, baby. What about Reverend Wright? Is it really believable that Obama sat in that pew for 20 odd years and missed ALL of the rhetoric? Hmm? I found that I little hard to swallow. Any more than McCain’s aligning himself with Reverend Hagee (yeah, look this clown up and tell me what you think) and then reversing himself when he realized how much blowback there would be if he stuck with him.

As to a hasty pull out from Iraq: Open a history book to Southeast Asia, post-April 1975 and you tell me what happened when the US abruptly exited. Look at Vietnam and Cambodia once the North Vietnamese took control of South Vietnam and the Khmer Rouges and Pol Pot did the same in Cambodia. History has a nasty way of repeating itself, just like the song says.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: I AM NOT VOTING FOR MCCAIN!!! Lord Almighty. He has his own baggage in my book, and I am not voting for either of them.

Do I think Obama is calculating? Yup. He’s a politician. What do all politicians do? They work to get elected. What do you have to do to get elected? Whatever it takes, baby. What about Reverend Wright? Is it really believable that Obama sat in that pew for 20 odd years and missed ALL of the rhetoric? Hmm? I found that I little hard to swallow. Any more than McCain’s aligning himself with Reverend Hagee (yeah, look this clown up and tell me what you think) and then reversing himself when he realized how much blowback there would be if he stuck with him.

As to a hasty pull out from Iraq: Open a history book to Southeast Asia, post-April 1975 and you tell me what happened when the US abruptly exited. Look at Vietnam and Cambodia once the North Vietnamese took control of South Vietnam and the Khmer Rouges and Pol Pot did the same in Cambodia. History has a nasty way of repeating itself, just like the song says.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: I AM NOT VOTING FOR MCCAIN!!! Lord Almighty. He has his own baggage in my book, and I am not voting for either of them.

Do I think Obama is calculating? Yup. He’s a politician. What do all politicians do? They work to get elected. What do you have to do to get elected? Whatever it takes, baby. What about Reverend Wright? Is it really believable that Obama sat in that pew for 20 odd years and missed ALL of the rhetoric? Hmm? I found that I little hard to swallow. Any more than McCain’s aligning himself with Reverend Hagee (yeah, look this clown up and tell me what you think) and then reversing himself when he realized how much blowback there would be if he stuck with him.

As to a hasty pull out from Iraq: Open a history book to Southeast Asia, post-April 1975 and you tell me what happened when the US abruptly exited. Look at Vietnam and Cambodia once the North Vietnamese took control of South Vietnam and the Khmer Rouges and Pol Pot did the same in Cambodia. History has a nasty way of repeating itself, just like the song says.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Bush lied about the WMD? Really. That’s a fairly convenient, and revisionist, piece of history. I posted a dozen plus comments earlier in the thread from senior members of the Clinton Administration, prominent Republican and Democratic party leaders, as well as Russian, French and British sources, all of whom felt Saddam had WMD. This is becoming a real tired topic, especially in light of Saddam’s USING chem weapons against the Iranians during the Iran-Iraq War and his use of chem weapons against the Kurds at Halabja. Add to this his stated intent to weaponize various forms of botulin and anthrax, along with his “trade mission” to Niger (where they have plenty of uranium and not much else) and it becomes apparent that we (the US) believed Saddam had WMD and the wherewithal to use them (since he did in the past). Please use facts, Marion, and not hyperbole. Did we catastrophically screw up the Iraq War? Yup, we did and are. But the notion that this is some gigantic lie foisted off on us by the Bush Administration is risible and doesn’t square with the intel dating back to the cessation of hostilities in Gulf War I.

sdgrrl: I’d take a careful look at Obama’s voting record, and the Chicago political machine he came from. I’d like to believe he will govern from the center, and is committed to a bi-partisan plan to restore America, but that doesn’t square with the facts to date. He is one of the most left leaning pols out there, and has now started tracking heavily to the right in an attempt to gain Republican voters alienated by Bush.

Being a Democrat doesn’t make one a Marxist, and being a Republican doesn’t make one a war mongering fascist. However, one needs to call them as they lay, and behind the flowery rhetoric lies a true politician, someone willing to do whatever is necessary to get elected, whether that means dumping his minister of 20 years or conveniently refashioning history to “fit” his message.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Bush lied about the WMD? Really. That’s a fairly convenient, and revisionist, piece of history. I posted a dozen plus comments earlier in the thread from senior members of the Clinton Administration, prominent Republican and Democratic party leaders, as well as Russian, French and British sources, all of whom felt Saddam had WMD. This is becoming a real tired topic, especially in light of Saddam’s USING chem weapons against the Iranians during the Iran-Iraq War and his use of chem weapons against the Kurds at Halabja. Add to this his stated intent to weaponize various forms of botulin and anthrax, along with his “trade mission” to Niger (where they have plenty of uranium and not much else) and it becomes apparent that we (the US) believed Saddam had WMD and the wherewithal to use them (since he did in the past). Please use facts, Marion, and not hyperbole. Did we catastrophically screw up the Iraq War? Yup, we did and are. But the notion that this is some gigantic lie foisted off on us by the Bush Administration is risible and doesn’t square with the intel dating back to the cessation of hostilities in Gulf War I.

sdgrrl: I’d take a careful look at Obama’s voting record, and the Chicago political machine he came from. I’d like to believe he will govern from the center, and is committed to a bi-partisan plan to restore America, but that doesn’t square with the facts to date. He is one of the most left leaning pols out there, and has now started tracking heavily to the right in an attempt to gain Republican voters alienated by Bush.

Being a Democrat doesn’t make one a Marxist, and being a Republican doesn’t make one a war mongering fascist. However, one needs to call them as they lay, and behind the flowery rhetoric lies a true politician, someone willing to do whatever is necessary to get elected, whether that means dumping his minister of 20 years or conveniently refashioning history to “fit” his message.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Bush lied about the WMD? Really. That’s a fairly convenient, and revisionist, piece of history. I posted a dozen plus comments earlier in the thread from senior members of the Clinton Administration, prominent Republican and Democratic party leaders, as well as Russian, French and British sources, all of whom felt Saddam had WMD. This is becoming a real tired topic, especially in light of Saddam’s USING chem weapons against the Iranians during the Iran-Iraq War and his use of chem weapons against the Kurds at Halabja. Add to this his stated intent to weaponize various forms of botulin and anthrax, along with his “trade mission” to Niger (where they have plenty of uranium and not much else) and it becomes apparent that we (the US) believed Saddam had WMD and the wherewithal to use them (since he did in the past). Please use facts, Marion, and not hyperbole. Did we catastrophically screw up the Iraq War? Yup, we did and are. But the notion that this is some gigantic lie foisted off on us by the Bush Administration is risible and doesn’t square with the intel dating back to the cessation of hostilities in Gulf War I.

sdgrrl: I’d take a careful look at Obama’s voting record, and the Chicago political machine he came from. I’d like to believe he will govern from the center, and is committed to a bi-partisan plan to restore America, but that doesn’t square with the facts to date. He is one of the most left leaning pols out there, and has now started tracking heavily to the right in an attempt to gain Republican voters alienated by Bush.

Being a Democrat doesn’t make one a Marxist, and being a Republican doesn’t make one a war mongering fascist. However, one needs to call them as they lay, and behind the flowery rhetoric lies a true politician, someone willing to do whatever is necessary to get elected, whether that means dumping his minister of 20 years or conveniently refashioning history to “fit” his message.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Bush lied about the WMD? Really. That’s a fairly convenient, and revisionist, piece of history. I posted a dozen plus comments earlier in the thread from senior members of the Clinton Administration, prominent Republican and Democratic party leaders, as well as Russian, French and British sources, all of whom felt Saddam had WMD. This is becoming a real tired topic, especially in light of Saddam’s USING chem weapons against the Iranians during the Iran-Iraq War and his use of chem weapons against the Kurds at Halabja. Add to this his stated intent to weaponize various forms of botulin and anthrax, along with his “trade mission” to Niger (where they have plenty of uranium and not much else) and it becomes apparent that we (the US) believed Saddam had WMD and the wherewithal to use them (since he did in the past). Please use facts, Marion, and not hyperbole. Did we catastrophically screw up the Iraq War? Yup, we did and are. But the notion that this is some gigantic lie foisted off on us by the Bush Administration is risible and doesn’t square with the intel dating back to the cessation of hostilities in Gulf War I.

sdgrrl: I’d take a careful look at Obama’s voting record, and the Chicago political machine he came from. I’d like to believe he will govern from the center, and is committed to a bi-partisan plan to restore America, but that doesn’t square with the facts to date. He is one of the most left leaning pols out there, and has now started tracking heavily to the right in an attempt to gain Republican voters alienated by Bush.

Being a Democrat doesn’t make one a Marxist, and being a Republican doesn’t make one a war mongering fascist. However, one needs to call them as they lay, and behind the flowery rhetoric lies a true politician, someone willing to do whatever is necessary to get elected, whether that means dumping his minister of 20 years or conveniently refashioning history to “fit” his message.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

marion: Bush lied about the WMD? Really. That’s a fairly convenient, and revisionist, piece of history. I posted a dozen plus comments earlier in the thread from senior members of the Clinton Administration, prominent Republican and Democratic party leaders, as well as Russian, French and British sources, all of whom felt Saddam had WMD. This is becoming a real tired topic, especially in light of Saddam’s USING chem weapons against the Iranians during the Iran-Iraq War and his use of chem weapons against the Kurds at Halabja. Add to this his stated intent to weaponize various forms of botulin and anthrax, along with his “trade mission” to Niger (where they have plenty of uranium and not much else) and it becomes apparent that we (the US) believed Saddam had WMD and the wherewithal to use them (since he did in the past). Please use facts, Marion, and not hyperbole. Did we catastrophically screw up the Iraq War? Yup, we did and are. But the notion that this is some gigantic lie foisted off on us by the Bush Administration is risible and doesn’t square with the intel dating back to the cessation of hostilities in Gulf War I.

sdgrrl: I’d take a careful look at Obama’s voting record, and the Chicago political machine he came from. I’d like to believe he will govern from the center, and is committed to a bi-partisan plan to restore America, but that doesn’t square with the facts to date. He is one of the most left leaning pols out there, and has now started tracking heavily to the right in an attempt to gain Republican voters alienated by Bush.

Being a Democrat doesn’t make one a Marxist, and being a Republican doesn’t make one a war mongering fascist. However, one needs to call them as they lay, and behind the flowery rhetoric lies a true politician, someone willing to do whatever is necessary to get elected, whether that means dumping his minister of 20 years or conveniently refashioning history to “fit” his message.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Aecetia: What is it with you and arcana? Seriously. Who are we talking about? I remember it had some young blond, Jenny somethingorother, in it. Was there another female character who was in a Bond flick? I love Bond, so I should know this. It wasn’t like Lois Childs, was it? Some obscure Bond Girl no one remembers. Well, other than you, that is.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Aecetia: What is it with you and arcana? Seriously. Who are we talking about? I remember it had some young blond, Jenny somethingorother, in it. Was there another female character who was in a Bond flick? I love Bond, so I should know this. It wasn’t like Lois Childs, was it? Some obscure Bond Girl no one remembers. Well, other than you, that is.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Aecetia: What is it with you and arcana? Seriously. Who are we talking about? I remember it had some young blond, Jenny somethingorother, in it. Was there another female character who was in a Bond flick? I love Bond, so I should know this. It wasn’t like Lois Childs, was it? Some obscure Bond Girl no one remembers. Well, other than you, that is.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Aecetia: What is it with you and arcana? Seriously. Who are we talking about? I remember it had some young blond, Jenny somethingorother, in it. Was there another female character who was in a Bond flick? I love Bond, so I should know this. It wasn’t like Lois Childs, was it? Some obscure Bond Girl no one remembers. Well, other than you, that is.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Aecetia: What is it with you and arcana? Seriously. Who are we talking about? I remember it had some young blond, Jenny somethingorother, in it. Was there another female character who was in a Bond flick? I love Bond, so I should know this. It wasn’t like Lois Childs, was it? Some obscure Bond Girl no one remembers. Well, other than you, that is.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

SDR: Dude, I was like 18 or 19 or something and I saw it on an Army base in Germany. It was the only thing playing, so cut me a little slack. Geez, it’s not like my favorite movie or anything!

Aecetia: It WAS a memorable line, alright?

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