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Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantRus: I didn’t call you Pollyanna. I asked that you don’t call me Pollyanna.
I don’t condone torture. I never have. I don’t condone rendition. I hever have.
Before you start appending any labels on me, please get your facts straight.
ParticipantRus: I didn’t call you Pollyanna. I asked that you don’t call me Pollyanna.
I don’t condone torture. I never have. I don’t condone rendition. I hever have.
Before you start appending any labels on me, please get your facts straight.
ParticipantRus: I didn’t call you Pollyanna. I asked that you don’t call me Pollyanna.
I don’t condone torture. I never have. I don’t condone rendition. I hever have.
Before you start appending any labels on me, please get your facts straight.
ParticipantCasca: I’m a little curious about your background. I spent three years in a place where torture was commonplace, as was the attitude that the end always justified the means. Having seen firsthand the effects of torture and knowing that it doesn’t work (it yields information of extremely poor value), I don’t advocate it.
What has Gitmo gotten us, in terms of usable intel? Very little, actually. I have friends in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and there has been little in terms of intel yield coming out of Gitmo. How many prosecutions have resulted? Again, very few. So what purpose does it serve? Meanwhile, we are taken to task for it’s existence, and for what it says about how we do business.
My views on the subject are the product of hard won experience. Yours?
ParticipantCasca: I’m a little curious about your background. I spent three years in a place where torture was commonplace, as was the attitude that the end always justified the means. Having seen firsthand the effects of torture and knowing that it doesn’t work (it yields information of extremely poor value), I don’t advocate it.
What has Gitmo gotten us, in terms of usable intel? Very little, actually. I have friends in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and there has been little in terms of intel yield coming out of Gitmo. How many prosecutions have resulted? Again, very few. So what purpose does it serve? Meanwhile, we are taken to task for it’s existence, and for what it says about how we do business.
My views on the subject are the product of hard won experience. Yours?
ParticipantCasca: I’m a little curious about your background. I spent three years in a place where torture was commonplace, as was the attitude that the end always justified the means. Having seen firsthand the effects of torture and knowing that it doesn’t work (it yields information of extremely poor value), I don’t advocate it.
What has Gitmo gotten us, in terms of usable intel? Very little, actually. I have friends in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and there has been little in terms of intel yield coming out of Gitmo. How many prosecutions have resulted? Again, very few. So what purpose does it serve? Meanwhile, we are taken to task for it’s existence, and for what it says about how we do business.
My views on the subject are the product of hard won experience. Yours?
ParticipantCasca: I’m a little curious about your background. I spent three years in a place where torture was commonplace, as was the attitude that the end always justified the means. Having seen firsthand the effects of torture and knowing that it doesn’t work (it yields information of extremely poor value), I don’t advocate it.
What has Gitmo gotten us, in terms of usable intel? Very little, actually. I have friends in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and there has been little in terms of intel yield coming out of Gitmo. How many prosecutions have resulted? Again, very few. So what purpose does it serve? Meanwhile, we are taken to task for it’s existence, and for what it says about how we do business.
My views on the subject are the product of hard won experience. Yours?
ParticipantCasca: I’m a little curious about your background. I spent three years in a place where torture was commonplace, as was the attitude that the end always justified the means. Having seen firsthand the effects of torture and knowing that it doesn’t work (it yields information of extremely poor value), I don’t advocate it.
What has Gitmo gotten us, in terms of usable intel? Very little, actually. I have friends in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and there has been little in terms of intel yield coming out of Gitmo. How many prosecutions have resulted? Again, very few. So what purpose does it serve? Meanwhile, we are taken to task for it’s existence, and for what it says about how we do business.
My views on the subject are the product of hard won experience. Yours?
ParticipantDan,
Your view of Cuba is a little at odds with Human Rights Watch: http://www.hrw.org/englishwr2k7/docs/2007/01/11/cuba14886.htm
My own experiences with Cuba date back to my time in Central America during the 1980s, mainly dealing with the DGI (Cuban intelligence services) boys and their operations in El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. They had pretty well infested those countries and were doing a land office business in shipping in ComBloc weapons throughout the region.
I don’t find Fidel’s brand of communism to be very different from the Soviet’s, at least when it comes to “Wars of National Liberation”, such as their intervention in Angola (a little off the beaten path for a Caribbean country).
I recall pictures of Marti being everywhere in Central America as well (the FMLN in Salvador were his namesake), along with Sandino and Che.
On a personal note, I find it revolting that the US maintains a prison (Gitmo) equally as repressive as those found in Cuba. I can’t wait to see that place shut down.
ParticipantDan,
Your view of Cuba is a little at odds with Human Rights Watch: http://www.hrw.org/englishwr2k7/docs/2007/01/11/cuba14886.htm
My own experiences with Cuba date back to my time in Central America during the 1980s, mainly dealing with the DGI (Cuban intelligence services) boys and their operations in El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. They had pretty well infested those countries and were doing a land office business in shipping in ComBloc weapons throughout the region.
I don’t find Fidel’s brand of communism to be very different from the Soviet’s, at least when it comes to “Wars of National Liberation”, such as their intervention in Angola (a little off the beaten path for a Caribbean country).
I recall pictures of Marti being everywhere in Central America as well (the FMLN in Salvador were his namesake), along with Sandino and Che.
On a personal note, I find it revolting that the US maintains a prison (Gitmo) equally as repressive as those found in Cuba. I can’t wait to see that place shut down.
ParticipantDan,
Your view of Cuba is a little at odds with Human Rights Watch: http://www.hrw.org/englishwr2k7/docs/2007/01/11/cuba14886.htm
My own experiences with Cuba date back to my time in Central America during the 1980s, mainly dealing with the DGI (Cuban intelligence services) boys and their operations in El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. They had pretty well infested those countries and were doing a land office business in shipping in ComBloc weapons throughout the region.
I don’t find Fidel’s brand of communism to be very different from the Soviet’s, at least when it comes to “Wars of National Liberation”, such as their intervention in Angola (a little off the beaten path for a Caribbean country).
I recall pictures of Marti being everywhere in Central America as well (the FMLN in Salvador were his namesake), along with Sandino and Che.
On a personal note, I find it revolting that the US maintains a prison (Gitmo) equally as repressive as those found in Cuba. I can’t wait to see that place shut down.
ParticipantDan,
Your view of Cuba is a little at odds with Human Rights Watch: http://www.hrw.org/englishwr2k7/docs/2007/01/11/cuba14886.htm
My own experiences with Cuba date back to my time in Central America during the 1980s, mainly dealing with the DGI (Cuban intelligence services) boys and their operations in El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. They had pretty well infested those countries and were doing a land office business in shipping in ComBloc weapons throughout the region.
I don’t find Fidel’s brand of communism to be very different from the Soviet’s, at least when it comes to “Wars of National Liberation”, such as their intervention in Angola (a little off the beaten path for a Caribbean country).
I recall pictures of Marti being everywhere in Central America as well (the FMLN in Salvador were his namesake), along with Sandino and Che.
On a personal note, I find it revolting that the US maintains a prison (Gitmo) equally as repressive as those found in Cuba. I can’t wait to see that place shut down.
ParticipantDan,
Your view of Cuba is a little at odds with Human Rights Watch: http://www.hrw.org/englishwr2k7/docs/2007/01/11/cuba14886.htm
My own experiences with Cuba date back to my time in Central America during the 1980s, mainly dealing with the DGI (Cuban intelligence services) boys and their operations in El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. They had pretty well infested those countries and were doing a land office business in shipping in ComBloc weapons throughout the region.
I don’t find Fidel’s brand of communism to be very different from the Soviet’s, at least when it comes to “Wars of National Liberation”, such as their intervention in Angola (a little off the beaten path for a Caribbean country).
I recall pictures of Marti being everywhere in Central America as well (the FMLN in Salvador were his namesake), along with Sandino and Che.
On a personal note, I find it revolting that the US maintains a prison (Gitmo) equally as repressive as those found in Cuba. I can’t wait to see that place shut down.
ParticipantRus: Nope, I don’t “celebrate” the failure of revolutionaries in general. I do, however, have a problem with revolutionaries that aren’t true to their ideals, and that would include Castro, Che and now Chavez.
Castro, in his own way, is more repressive than Fulgencio Batista. Che was a murdering Stalinist. Chavez, now that his rhetoric has been exposed and his plans foiled, has turned into just another tinpot dictator.
Yes, I am aware of the knock on Vargas Llosa, but it doesn’t diminish the correctness of his criticism of Marquez one iota.
Lenin came to power in Russia by promising free elections following the revolution. Lo and behold, it never happened. Instead, you have Lenin followed by the likes of Lavrenti Beria, Josef Stalin and, ultimately, Vladimir Putin.
Orwell’s experiences during the Spanish Civil War illustrate one point clearly: It is rarely about the “ideals” and more generally about the “power”.
I don’t like Franco, nor does my condemnation of his opponents impute support for him.
I spent three years in places where the choices weren’t between right and wrong, but bad and worse. All due respect to your time in the Navy, but my time in the Army was very different, and the “education” I received has stayed with me to this day. Call me all the names you want, just don’t call me Polyanna.
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