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Allan from Fallbrook
Participantzk: Excellent post. One of the best I’ve read in a while, in fact. The lack of credulity in this country is amazing. What 20 years ago would have been easily dismissed as conspiracy theory, poorly researched journalism or outright lies is now accepted as gospel, and by those who, based on education and experience, should know better (and John I am not addressing this to you).
Some of the retorts and ripostes on the various Pigginton threads are great examples. Rather than respond with a well-reasoned argument, instead you get ad hominem attacks or Wikipedia links. Critical thinking and factual analysis is going the way of the dodo, thanks to the sound bite and the 24 hour news cycle.
Participantzk: Excellent post. One of the best I’ve read in a while, in fact. The lack of credulity in this country is amazing. What 20 years ago would have been easily dismissed as conspiracy theory, poorly researched journalism or outright lies is now accepted as gospel, and by those who, based on education and experience, should know better (and John I am not addressing this to you).
Some of the retorts and ripostes on the various Pigginton threads are great examples. Rather than respond with a well-reasoned argument, instead you get ad hominem attacks or Wikipedia links. Critical thinking and factual analysis is going the way of the dodo, thanks to the sound bite and the 24 hour news cycle.
ParticipantJohn: This is regional brinksmanship on the part of the Russians. Georgia is a US ally, and Putin can accomplish two things here: 1) Humble the US (through our inaction) in the region, and 2) Show the other countries, including new NATO members like Poland, who is holding the whip hand.
Western Europe has grown increasingly dependent on Russian controlled fuel sources. As of late, the largest security concerns that NATO has handled have been in Afghanistan, and, if that is any example of their fighting spirit, they have a serious problem.
I don’t think beyond jawing about a cease fire and trying to calm the situation, the US (or NATO) is going to do much of anything. Largely because we can’t. I think Putin has us (and Europe) by the short and curlies, and he knows it.
ParticipantJohn: This is regional brinksmanship on the part of the Russians. Georgia is a US ally, and Putin can accomplish two things here: 1) Humble the US (through our inaction) in the region, and 2) Show the other countries, including new NATO members like Poland, who is holding the whip hand.
Western Europe has grown increasingly dependent on Russian controlled fuel sources. As of late, the largest security concerns that NATO has handled have been in Afghanistan, and, if that is any example of their fighting spirit, they have a serious problem.
I don’t think beyond jawing about a cease fire and trying to calm the situation, the US (or NATO) is going to do much of anything. Largely because we can’t. I think Putin has us (and Europe) by the short and curlies, and he knows it.
ParticipantJohn: This is regional brinksmanship on the part of the Russians. Georgia is a US ally, and Putin can accomplish two things here: 1) Humble the US (through our inaction) in the region, and 2) Show the other countries, including new NATO members like Poland, who is holding the whip hand.
Western Europe has grown increasingly dependent on Russian controlled fuel sources. As of late, the largest security concerns that NATO has handled have been in Afghanistan, and, if that is any example of their fighting spirit, they have a serious problem.
I don’t think beyond jawing about a cease fire and trying to calm the situation, the US (or NATO) is going to do much of anything. Largely because we can’t. I think Putin has us (and Europe) by the short and curlies, and he knows it.
ParticipantJohn: This is regional brinksmanship on the part of the Russians. Georgia is a US ally, and Putin can accomplish two things here: 1) Humble the US (through our inaction) in the region, and 2) Show the other countries, including new NATO members like Poland, who is holding the whip hand.
Western Europe has grown increasingly dependent on Russian controlled fuel sources. As of late, the largest security concerns that NATO has handled have been in Afghanistan, and, if that is any example of their fighting spirit, they have a serious problem.
I don’t think beyond jawing about a cease fire and trying to calm the situation, the US (or NATO) is going to do much of anything. Largely because we can’t. I think Putin has us (and Europe) by the short and curlies, and he knows it.
ParticipantJohn: This is regional brinksmanship on the part of the Russians. Georgia is a US ally, and Putin can accomplish two things here: 1) Humble the US (through our inaction) in the region, and 2) Show the other countries, including new NATO members like Poland, who is holding the whip hand.
Western Europe has grown increasingly dependent on Russian controlled fuel sources. As of late, the largest security concerns that NATO has handled have been in Afghanistan, and, if that is any example of their fighting spirit, they have a serious problem.
I don’t think beyond jawing about a cease fire and trying to calm the situation, the US (or NATO) is going to do much of anything. Largely because we can’t. I think Putin has us (and Europe) by the short and curlies, and he knows it.
Participantzk: I agree. Dude was a stud, and probably my favorite President. He definitely had faults, but was certainly a man of action.
I coach youth football, and make a point every season of handing out Teddy’s “Man in the Arena” speech to my players.
Another excellent bio on Teddy is “T.R.: The Last Romantic” by H.W. Brands. Very balanced, with a strong emphasis on the man himself. If you liked “Theodore Rex”, you’ll enjoy “T.R.”.
Participantzk: I agree. Dude was a stud, and probably my favorite President. He definitely had faults, but was certainly a man of action.
I coach youth football, and make a point every season of handing out Teddy’s “Man in the Arena” speech to my players.
Another excellent bio on Teddy is “T.R.: The Last Romantic” by H.W. Brands. Very balanced, with a strong emphasis on the man himself. If you liked “Theodore Rex”, you’ll enjoy “T.R.”.
Participantzk: I agree. Dude was a stud, and probably my favorite President. He definitely had faults, but was certainly a man of action.
I coach youth football, and make a point every season of handing out Teddy’s “Man in the Arena” speech to my players.
Another excellent bio on Teddy is “T.R.: The Last Romantic” by H.W. Brands. Very balanced, with a strong emphasis on the man himself. If you liked “Theodore Rex”, you’ll enjoy “T.R.”.
Participantzk: I agree. Dude was a stud, and probably my favorite President. He definitely had faults, but was certainly a man of action.
I coach youth football, and make a point every season of handing out Teddy’s “Man in the Arena” speech to my players.
Another excellent bio on Teddy is “T.R.: The Last Romantic” by H.W. Brands. Very balanced, with a strong emphasis on the man himself. If you liked “Theodore Rex”, you’ll enjoy “T.R.”.
Participantzk: I agree. Dude was a stud, and probably my favorite President. He definitely had faults, but was certainly a man of action.
I coach youth football, and make a point every season of handing out Teddy’s “Man in the Arena” speech to my players.
Another excellent bio on Teddy is “T.R.: The Last Romantic” by H.W. Brands. Very balanced, with a strong emphasis on the man himself. If you liked “Theodore Rex”, you’ll enjoy “T.R.”.
ParticipantJohn: I agree with Aecetia. Putin is former KGB, and is dedicated to returning Russia to it’s former glory. Russia’s intimidation has now moved beyond saber rattling into direct intervention.
The Europeans are entirely too dependent on Russian fuel and afraid of a resurgent “bear” in their backyard to do much of anything.
God love McCain, but I don’t think he has much of solution beyond sending the USAF in to try and interdict the Russians as they move their big iron into Georgia.
And, make no mistake, Putin has the stones to play a high-speed game of chicken with us and NATO. This the potential to get real ugly and spread into a wider war.
ParticipantJohn: I agree with Aecetia. Putin is former KGB, and is dedicated to returning Russia to it’s former glory. Russia’s intimidation has now moved beyond saber rattling into direct intervention.
The Europeans are entirely too dependent on Russian fuel and afraid of a resurgent “bear” in their backyard to do much of anything.
God love McCain, but I don’t think he has much of solution beyond sending the USAF in to try and interdict the Russians as they move their big iron into Georgia.
And, make no mistake, Putin has the stones to play a high-speed game of chicken with us and NATO. This the potential to get real ugly and spread into a wider war.
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