[Allan from Fallbrook]

beachlover: I’m not conflating Gitmo/Abu Ghraib with the Lewinsky situation (and, AGAIN, it had nothing to do with Clinton’s keeping his zipper up, it had to do with a sitting President SUBORNING PERJURY.).

I am, however, bringing your attention to Clinton’s policy of extraordinary rendition (he started the policy and used it extensively), whereby individuals that the US suspected (and that word is key) were sent to “black” sites throughout the world, including Egypt, Saudi and Jordan, and questioned without due process, rights or representation.

Clinton’s hands were quite dirty and not only on rendition, but also in his support of covert eavesdropping programs like NSA’s Carnivore and Echelon.

As to Catholic schooling: I was merely bantering on this point and was NOT drawing a comparison or trying to minimize anything. Before you start pontificating about Dubya, get your facts straight. The US has been actively involved in covert ops going back to before WWII. As I said in an earlier post, assemble your facts before trying to blackball Dubya like he represents some aberrant behavior. History tells a vastly different story. Read it.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

afx: My dad was from Chicago and my mom was from Detroit, so I had the benefit growing up of listening to the whole ‘Hawks v. ‘Wings rivalry and all that entailed.

My family hails from the Midwest, so all my cousins were hockey freaks and my growing up in the SF/Bay Area never got me into the whole hockey mindset. I do like the Sharks, though I concur with a buddy of mine who claims the best hockey is played in the NCAA.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

afx: My dad was from Chicago and my mom was from Detroit, so I had the benefit growing up of listening to the whole ‘Hawks v. ‘Wings rivalry and all that entailed.

My family hails from the Midwest, so all my cousins were hockey freaks and my growing up in the SF/Bay Area never got me into the whole hockey mindset. I do like the Sharks, though I concur with a buddy of mine who claims the best hockey is played in the NCAA.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

afx: My dad was from Chicago and my mom was from Detroit, so I had the benefit growing up of listening to the whole ‘Hawks v. ‘Wings rivalry and all that entailed.

My family hails from the Midwest, so all my cousins were hockey freaks and my growing up in the SF/Bay Area never got me into the whole hockey mindset. I do like the Sharks, though I concur with a buddy of mine who claims the best hockey is played in the NCAA.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

afx: My dad was from Chicago and my mom was from Detroit, so I had the benefit growing up of listening to the whole ‘Hawks v. ‘Wings rivalry and all that entailed.

My family hails from the Midwest, so all my cousins were hockey freaks and my growing up in the SF/Bay Area never got me into the whole hockey mindset. I do like the Sharks, though I concur with a buddy of mine who claims the best hockey is played in the NCAA.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

afx: My dad was from Chicago and my mom was from Detroit, so I had the benefit growing up of listening to the whole ‘Hawks v. ‘Wings rivalry and all that entailed.

My family hails from the Midwest, so all my cousins were hockey freaks and my growing up in the SF/Bay Area never got me into the whole hockey mindset. I do like the Sharks, though I concur with a buddy of mine who claims the best hockey is played in the NCAA.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

TG: What a day yesterday, huh? It’s fun when you have a season finish with that much high drama.

I especially enjoyed watching Chad Pennington come home and beat the Jets and give us the added bonus of sending the hated Patsies home for the playoffs.

Then Dallas gets jolly stomped by Philly and there’s Jerry Jones looking like someone just shot his dog (which, in a sense, they did). Best of all worlds, he stands by his word and retains both the talent and the coaching staff for next season. I always felt like he hired Wade Philips to get the taste of Parcells out (and easy going Wade would let him meddle in team affairs to his heart’s content).

Speaking of Parcells, the Raiders are setting an appointment to speak with him in the offseason. God help everybody if he winds up in the Raiders front office, because I think the Antichrist will appear the following day.

I may not be a Chargers fan, but I hate Denver far worse and there was no better way to end the day than watching the Chargers O line literally pummel the Denver D into the dirt. One of the things I do like about the Chargers is Rivers; that boy is just bone nasty and hates to lose. He is rapidly becoming the face of that offense and his personality and Cutler’s stood in stark contrast last night. Cutler gave up. Rivers didn’t and stuck that win right down Denver’s throat. That match up with Indy will be fun next week.

afx: Why doesn’t it surprise me you’re a Kings fan? Everything makes perfect sense now. Go Sharks! Stinky LA sports; Bay Area, baby!

[Allan from Fallbrook]

TG: What a day yesterday, huh? It’s fun when you have a season finish with that much high drama.

I especially enjoyed watching Chad Pennington come home and beat the Jets and give us the added bonus of sending the hated Patsies home for the playoffs.

Then Dallas gets jolly stomped by Philly and there’s Jerry Jones looking like someone just shot his dog (which, in a sense, they did). Best of all worlds, he stands by his word and retains both the talent and the coaching staff for next season. I always felt like he hired Wade Philips to get the taste of Parcells out (and easy going Wade would let him meddle in team affairs to his heart’s content).

Speaking of Parcells, the Raiders are setting an appointment to speak with him in the offseason. God help everybody if he winds up in the Raiders front office, because I think the Antichrist will appear the following day.

I may not be a Chargers fan, but I hate Denver far worse and there was no better way to end the day than watching the Chargers O line literally pummel the Denver D into the dirt. One of the things I do like about the Chargers is Rivers; that boy is just bone nasty and hates to lose. He is rapidly becoming the face of that offense and his personality and Cutler’s stood in stark contrast last night. Cutler gave up. Rivers didn’t and stuck that win right down Denver’s throat. That match up with Indy will be fun next week.

afx: Why doesn’t it surprise me you’re a Kings fan? Everything makes perfect sense now. Go Sharks! Stinky LA sports; Bay Area, baby!

[Allan from Fallbrook]

TG: What a day yesterday, huh? It’s fun when you have a season finish with that much high drama.

I especially enjoyed watching Chad Pennington come home and beat the Jets and give us the added bonus of sending the hated Patsies home for the playoffs.

Then Dallas gets jolly stomped by Philly and there’s Jerry Jones looking like someone just shot his dog (which, in a sense, they did). Best of all worlds, he stands by his word and retains both the talent and the coaching staff for next season. I always felt like he hired Wade Philips to get the taste of Parcells out (and easy going Wade would let him meddle in team affairs to his heart’s content).

Speaking of Parcells, the Raiders are setting an appointment to speak with him in the offseason. God help everybody if he winds up in the Raiders front office, because I think the Antichrist will appear the following day.

I may not be a Chargers fan, but I hate Denver far worse and there was no better way to end the day than watching the Chargers O line literally pummel the Denver D into the dirt. One of the things I do like about the Chargers is Rivers; that boy is just bone nasty and hates to lose. He is rapidly becoming the face of that offense and his personality and Cutler’s stood in stark contrast last night. Cutler gave up. Rivers didn’t and stuck that win right down Denver’s throat. That match up with Indy will be fun next week.

afx: Why doesn’t it surprise me you’re a Kings fan? Everything makes perfect sense now. Go Sharks! Stinky LA sports; Bay Area, baby!

[Allan from Fallbrook]

TG: What a day yesterday, huh? It’s fun when you have a season finish with that much high drama.

I especially enjoyed watching Chad Pennington come home and beat the Jets and give us the added bonus of sending the hated Patsies home for the playoffs.

Then Dallas gets jolly stomped by Philly and there’s Jerry Jones looking like someone just shot his dog (which, in a sense, they did). Best of all worlds, he stands by his word and retains both the talent and the coaching staff for next season. I always felt like he hired Wade Philips to get the taste of Parcells out (and easy going Wade would let him meddle in team affairs to his heart’s content).

Speaking of Parcells, the Raiders are setting an appointment to speak with him in the offseason. God help everybody if he winds up in the Raiders front office, because I think the Antichrist will appear the following day.

I may not be a Chargers fan, but I hate Denver far worse and there was no better way to end the day than watching the Chargers O line literally pummel the Denver D into the dirt. One of the things I do like about the Chargers is Rivers; that boy is just bone nasty and hates to lose. He is rapidly becoming the face of that offense and his personality and Cutler’s stood in stark contrast last night. Cutler gave up. Rivers didn’t and stuck that win right down Denver’s throat. That match up with Indy will be fun next week.

afx: Why doesn’t it surprise me you’re a Kings fan? Everything makes perfect sense now. Go Sharks! Stinky LA sports; Bay Area, baby!

[Allan from Fallbrook]

TG: What a day yesterday, huh? It’s fun when you have a season finish with that much high drama.

I especially enjoyed watching Chad Pennington come home and beat the Jets and give us the added bonus of sending the hated Patsies home for the playoffs.

Then Dallas gets jolly stomped by Philly and there’s Jerry Jones looking like someone just shot his dog (which, in a sense, they did). Best of all worlds, he stands by his word and retains both the talent and the coaching staff for next season. I always felt like he hired Wade Philips to get the taste of Parcells out (and easy going Wade would let him meddle in team affairs to his heart’s content).

Speaking of Parcells, the Raiders are setting an appointment to speak with him in the offseason. God help everybody if he winds up in the Raiders front office, because I think the Antichrist will appear the following day.

I may not be a Chargers fan, but I hate Denver far worse and there was no better way to end the day than watching the Chargers O line literally pummel the Denver D into the dirt. One of the things I do like about the Chargers is Rivers; that boy is just bone nasty and hates to lose. He is rapidly becoming the face of that offense and his personality and Cutler’s stood in stark contrast last night. Cutler gave up. Rivers didn’t and stuck that win right down Denver’s throat. That match up with Indy will be fun next week.

afx: Why doesn’t it surprise me you’re a Kings fan? Everything makes perfect sense now. Go Sharks! Stinky LA sports; Bay Area, baby!

[Allan from Fallbrook]

TG/SDR: I don’t mean to get ahead of myself, but you’re (Chargers) up 45 – 21 with less than 10 minutes to play and it looks like Indy will be coming here next week.

I’m going to stand by what I said, that the Chargers are one of the most dangerous teams in football (although if LT is out that could become a problematic statement).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

TG/SDR: I don’t mean to get ahead of myself, but you’re (Chargers) up 45 – 21 with less than 10 minutes to play and it looks like Indy will be coming here next week.

I’m going to stand by what I said, that the Chargers are one of the most dangerous teams in football (although if LT is out that could become a problematic statement).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

TG/SDR: I don’t mean to get ahead of myself, but you’re (Chargers) up 45 – 21 with less than 10 minutes to play and it looks like Indy will be coming here next week.

I’m going to stand by what I said, that the Chargers are one of the most dangerous teams in football (although if LT is out that could become a problematic statement).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

TG/SDR: I don’t mean to get ahead of myself, but you’re (Chargers) up 45 – 21 with less than 10 minutes to play and it looks like Indy will be coming here next week.

I’m going to stand by what I said, that the Chargers are one of the most dangerous teams in football (although if LT is out that could become a problematic statement).

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