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Allan from Fallbrook
Participantafx: “Trade follows the flag”. It’s been true since the Roman Empire and it remains true today.
I was not trying to conflate Bush with Obama (regarding your Obama = Bush remark), but the recent Presidents (Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43 and now Obama) are all working off of the same playbook.
I know Breezie doesn’t want to hear this, but Clinton was involved in destroying our civil liberties, too (NSA Carnivore/Echelon programs, FISA). Obama supports FISA and even reversed his position during the campaign on the issue. Do you think that the Patriot Act will be going away during his tenure? I don’t.
While I applaud his decision to close Gitmo, he will undoubtedly continue the policy of extraordinary rendition (started during the Clinton Administration, by the way), and continue to prosecute the War on Terror following the same guidelines as set down during the Bush Administration.
Participantafx: “Trade follows the flag”. It’s been true since the Roman Empire and it remains true today.
I was not trying to conflate Bush with Obama (regarding your Obama = Bush remark), but the recent Presidents (Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43 and now Obama) are all working off of the same playbook.
I know Breezie doesn’t want to hear this, but Clinton was involved in destroying our civil liberties, too (NSA Carnivore/Echelon programs, FISA). Obama supports FISA and even reversed his position during the campaign on the issue. Do you think that the Patriot Act will be going away during his tenure? I don’t.
While I applaud his decision to close Gitmo, he will undoubtedly continue the policy of extraordinary rendition (started during the Clinton Administration, by the way), and continue to prosecute the War on Terror following the same guidelines as set down during the Bush Administration.
Participantafx: “Trade follows the flag”. It’s been true since the Roman Empire and it remains true today.
I was not trying to conflate Bush with Obama (regarding your Obama = Bush remark), but the recent Presidents (Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43 and now Obama) are all working off of the same playbook.
I know Breezie doesn’t want to hear this, but Clinton was involved in destroying our civil liberties, too (NSA Carnivore/Echelon programs, FISA). Obama supports FISA and even reversed his position during the campaign on the issue. Do you think that the Patriot Act will be going away during his tenure? I don’t.
While I applaud his decision to close Gitmo, he will undoubtedly continue the policy of extraordinary rendition (started during the Clinton Administration, by the way), and continue to prosecute the War on Terror following the same guidelines as set down during the Bush Administration.
Participantafx: “Trade follows the flag”. It’s been true since the Roman Empire and it remains true today.
I was not trying to conflate Bush with Obama (regarding your Obama = Bush remark), but the recent Presidents (Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43 and now Obama) are all working off of the same playbook.
I know Breezie doesn’t want to hear this, but Clinton was involved in destroying our civil liberties, too (NSA Carnivore/Echelon programs, FISA). Obama supports FISA and even reversed his position during the campaign on the issue. Do you think that the Patriot Act will be going away during his tenure? I don’t.
While I applaud his decision to close Gitmo, he will undoubtedly continue the policy of extraordinary rendition (started during the Clinton Administration, by the way), and continue to prosecute the War on Terror following the same guidelines as set down during the Bush Administration.
Participantafx: “Trade follows the flag”. It’s been true since the Roman Empire and it remains true today.
I was not trying to conflate Bush with Obama (regarding your Obama = Bush remark), but the recent Presidents (Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43 and now Obama) are all working off of the same playbook.
I know Breezie doesn’t want to hear this, but Clinton was involved in destroying our civil liberties, too (NSA Carnivore/Echelon programs, FISA). Obama supports FISA and even reversed his position during the campaign on the issue. Do you think that the Patriot Act will be going away during his tenure? I don’t.
While I applaud his decision to close Gitmo, he will undoubtedly continue the policy of extraordinary rendition (started during the Clinton Administration, by the way), and continue to prosecute the War on Terror following the same guidelines as set down during the Bush Administration.
ParticipantRus: You got it exactly right. Those pushing The Plan don’t change, regardless of administration or party affiliation.
And, no, this is not some conspiracy theory. This is simply purchasing influence. The big bidders support both sides and their lobbyists work both sides of the aisle.
If you research campaign contributions from ADM, ExxonMobil and Lockheed, you’ll note something interesting: Their contributions are generally evenly split between Democrats and Republicans.
What folks like Breezie fail to realize is this: It isn’t about politics, it’s about money and it always has been.
ParticipantRus: You got it exactly right. Those pushing The Plan don’t change, regardless of administration or party affiliation.
And, no, this is not some conspiracy theory. This is simply purchasing influence. The big bidders support both sides and their lobbyists work both sides of the aisle.
If you research campaign contributions from ADM, ExxonMobil and Lockheed, you’ll note something interesting: Their contributions are generally evenly split between Democrats and Republicans.
What folks like Breezie fail to realize is this: It isn’t about politics, it’s about money and it always has been.
ParticipantRus: You got it exactly right. Those pushing The Plan don’t change, regardless of administration or party affiliation.
And, no, this is not some conspiracy theory. This is simply purchasing influence. The big bidders support both sides and their lobbyists work both sides of the aisle.
If you research campaign contributions from ADM, ExxonMobil and Lockheed, you’ll note something interesting: Their contributions are generally evenly split between Democrats and Republicans.
What folks like Breezie fail to realize is this: It isn’t about politics, it’s about money and it always has been.
ParticipantRus: You got it exactly right. Those pushing The Plan don’t change, regardless of administration or party affiliation.
And, no, this is not some conspiracy theory. This is simply purchasing influence. The big bidders support both sides and their lobbyists work both sides of the aisle.
If you research campaign contributions from ADM, ExxonMobil and Lockheed, you’ll note something interesting: Their contributions are generally evenly split between Democrats and Republicans.
What folks like Breezie fail to realize is this: It isn’t about politics, it’s about money and it always has been.
ParticipantRus: You got it exactly right. Those pushing The Plan don’t change, regardless of administration or party affiliation.
And, no, this is not some conspiracy theory. This is simply purchasing influence. The big bidders support both sides and their lobbyists work both sides of the aisle.
If you research campaign contributions from ADM, ExxonMobil and Lockheed, you’ll note something interesting: Their contributions are generally evenly split between Democrats and Republicans.
What folks like Breezie fail to realize is this: It isn’t about politics, it’s about money and it always has been.
Participantafx: When you look at the sums of money necessary to buy (and, let’s be honest, that’s exactly what’s happening) the Presidency, it becomes patently obvious who and what are behind the scenes.
arraya: Talk to anyone in SOF and they’ll tell you that bin Laden was killed sometime in 2002 in a cave in caused by an airstrike. This was never confirmed, because they couldn’t recover the bodies, but rumor has it that an airstrike caused a cave in somewhere in the Tora Bora region that killed 100 – 200 al Qaeda and Taliban members.
Breeze: You can fulminate against the Republicans all you want, but read your history. From the beginning, and I mean the absolute beginning, it’s been about the money. The original draft of the Constitution contained the phrase “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Property” (it was subsequently amended). Louisiana Purchase, Lewis & Clark (who were searching for trade routes as part of their mandate), Manifest Destiny, “Gunboat Diplomacy”, all of it. The United States has always been a going concern.
Ask arraya about USMC Major Smedley Butler.
Participantafx: When you look at the sums of money necessary to buy (and, let’s be honest, that’s exactly what’s happening) the Presidency, it becomes patently obvious who and what are behind the scenes.
arraya: Talk to anyone in SOF and they’ll tell you that bin Laden was killed sometime in 2002 in a cave in caused by an airstrike. This was never confirmed, because they couldn’t recover the bodies, but rumor has it that an airstrike caused a cave in somewhere in the Tora Bora region that killed 100 – 200 al Qaeda and Taliban members.
Breeze: You can fulminate against the Republicans all you want, but read your history. From the beginning, and I mean the absolute beginning, it’s been about the money. The original draft of the Constitution contained the phrase “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Property” (it was subsequently amended). Louisiana Purchase, Lewis & Clark (who were searching for trade routes as part of their mandate), Manifest Destiny, “Gunboat Diplomacy”, all of it. The United States has always been a going concern.
Ask arraya about USMC Major Smedley Butler.
Participantafx: When you look at the sums of money necessary to buy (and, let’s be honest, that’s exactly what’s happening) the Presidency, it becomes patently obvious who and what are behind the scenes.
arraya: Talk to anyone in SOF and they’ll tell you that bin Laden was killed sometime in 2002 in a cave in caused by an airstrike. This was never confirmed, because they couldn’t recover the bodies, but rumor has it that an airstrike caused a cave in somewhere in the Tora Bora region that killed 100 – 200 al Qaeda and Taliban members.
Breeze: You can fulminate against the Republicans all you want, but read your history. From the beginning, and I mean the absolute beginning, it’s been about the money. The original draft of the Constitution contained the phrase “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Property” (it was subsequently amended). Louisiana Purchase, Lewis & Clark (who were searching for trade routes as part of their mandate), Manifest Destiny, “Gunboat Diplomacy”, all of it. The United States has always been a going concern.
Ask arraya about USMC Major Smedley Butler.
Participantafx: When you look at the sums of money necessary to buy (and, let’s be honest, that’s exactly what’s happening) the Presidency, it becomes patently obvious who and what are behind the scenes.
arraya: Talk to anyone in SOF and they’ll tell you that bin Laden was killed sometime in 2002 in a cave in caused by an airstrike. This was never confirmed, because they couldn’t recover the bodies, but rumor has it that an airstrike caused a cave in somewhere in the Tora Bora region that killed 100 – 200 al Qaeda and Taliban members.
Breeze: You can fulminate against the Republicans all you want, but read your history. From the beginning, and I mean the absolute beginning, it’s been about the money. The original draft of the Constitution contained the phrase “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Property” (it was subsequently amended). Louisiana Purchase, Lewis & Clark (who were searching for trade routes as part of their mandate), Manifest Destiny, “Gunboat Diplomacy”, all of it. The United States has always been a going concern.
Ask arraya about USMC Major Smedley Butler.
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