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Allan from Fallbrook
ParticipantBreeze: Now, that was quite a feat. In the past, you’ve at least made a passing attempt to address the questions I’ve posed.
In this case, nothing. As always, long on rhetoric, polemic and articulating the lofty visions of the Obama Administration, but no response to the fact that this is clearly business as usual.
Obama’s policy on Iran? Look at who he appointed as his point man.
Obama’s policy on YOUR CIVIL LIBERTIES? Quite clear there, too. He reversed himself on FISA and has been nearly silent on the Patriot Act.
Obama’s policy on trade with China? Now, that’s interesting. He’s accused China of currency manipulation, violation of trade agreements (similar to the US accusations against Japan in the 1980s during a Republican Administration) and is trying to demonize the Chinese government for their part in our economy’s collapse.
Yes, Obama is quite progressive, isn’t he?
Present some facts and quit with the spin. Your guy is Business As Usual. Deal with it.
ParticipantBreeze: Now, that was quite a feat. In the past, you’ve at least made a passing attempt to address the questions I’ve posed.
In this case, nothing. As always, long on rhetoric, polemic and articulating the lofty visions of the Obama Administration, but no response to the fact that this is clearly business as usual.
Obama’s policy on Iran? Look at who he appointed as his point man.
Obama’s policy on YOUR CIVIL LIBERTIES? Quite clear there, too. He reversed himself on FISA and has been nearly silent on the Patriot Act.
Obama’s policy on trade with China? Now, that’s interesting. He’s accused China of currency manipulation, violation of trade agreements (similar to the US accusations against Japan in the 1980s during a Republican Administration) and is trying to demonize the Chinese government for their part in our economy’s collapse.
Yes, Obama is quite progressive, isn’t he?
Present some facts and quit with the spin. Your guy is Business As Usual. Deal with it.
ParticipantBreeze: Now, that was quite a feat. In the past, you’ve at least made a passing attempt to address the questions I’ve posed.
In this case, nothing. As always, long on rhetoric, polemic and articulating the lofty visions of the Obama Administration, but no response to the fact that this is clearly business as usual.
Obama’s policy on Iran? Look at who he appointed as his point man.
Obama’s policy on YOUR CIVIL LIBERTIES? Quite clear there, too. He reversed himself on FISA and has been nearly silent on the Patriot Act.
Obama’s policy on trade with China? Now, that’s interesting. He’s accused China of currency manipulation, violation of trade agreements (similar to the US accusations against Japan in the 1980s during a Republican Administration) and is trying to demonize the Chinese government for their part in our economy’s collapse.
Yes, Obama is quite progressive, isn’t he?
Present some facts and quit with the spin. Your guy is Business As Usual. Deal with it.
ParticipantBreeze: Now, that was quite a feat. In the past, you’ve at least made a passing attempt to address the questions I’ve posed.
In this case, nothing. As always, long on rhetoric, polemic and articulating the lofty visions of the Obama Administration, but no response to the fact that this is clearly business as usual.
Obama’s policy on Iran? Look at who he appointed as his point man.
Obama’s policy on YOUR CIVIL LIBERTIES? Quite clear there, too. He reversed himself on FISA and has been nearly silent on the Patriot Act.
Obama’s policy on trade with China? Now, that’s interesting. He’s accused China of currency manipulation, violation of trade agreements (similar to the US accusations against Japan in the 1980s during a Republican Administration) and is trying to demonize the Chinese government for their part in our economy’s collapse.
Yes, Obama is quite progressive, isn’t he?
Present some facts and quit with the spin. Your guy is Business As Usual. Deal with it.
ParticipantBreeze: Now, that was quite a feat. In the past, you’ve at least made a passing attempt to address the questions I’ve posed.
In this case, nothing. As always, long on rhetoric, polemic and articulating the lofty visions of the Obama Administration, but no response to the fact that this is clearly business as usual.
Obama’s policy on Iran? Look at who he appointed as his point man.
Obama’s policy on YOUR CIVIL LIBERTIES? Quite clear there, too. He reversed himself on FISA and has been nearly silent on the Patriot Act.
Obama’s policy on trade with China? Now, that’s interesting. He’s accused China of currency manipulation, violation of trade agreements (similar to the US accusations against Japan in the 1980s during a Republican Administration) and is trying to demonize the Chinese government for their part in our economy’s collapse.
Yes, Obama is quite progressive, isn’t he?
Present some facts and quit with the spin. Your guy is Business As Usual. Deal with it.
Participantafx: Obama was given a golden opportunity to take a hard stand on FISA during the campaign and he whiffed.
He is continuing to hold the course that’s been in place for some time now (pre-dating Dubya) and do you believe his appointment of Hillary Clinton as SecState signals a radical departure of any sort?
Don’t forget, Hillary was one of the most bellicose advocates for regime change in Iraq (Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, anyone?) and Biden himself is very pro-Israel (to the extent that he’s been labeled “pro-Zionist” by some of the more strident elements of the Democratic Party).
I don’t see Obama doing away with rendition and, given the support he presently enjoys, he could do far more to dismantle the Patriot Act than he’s doing or has indicated a willingness to do.
Participantafx: Obama was given a golden opportunity to take a hard stand on FISA during the campaign and he whiffed.
He is continuing to hold the course that’s been in place for some time now (pre-dating Dubya) and do you believe his appointment of Hillary Clinton as SecState signals a radical departure of any sort?
Don’t forget, Hillary was one of the most bellicose advocates for regime change in Iraq (Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, anyone?) and Biden himself is very pro-Israel (to the extent that he’s been labeled “pro-Zionist” by some of the more strident elements of the Democratic Party).
I don’t see Obama doing away with rendition and, given the support he presently enjoys, he could do far more to dismantle the Patriot Act than he’s doing or has indicated a willingness to do.
Participantafx: Obama was given a golden opportunity to take a hard stand on FISA during the campaign and he whiffed.
He is continuing to hold the course that’s been in place for some time now (pre-dating Dubya) and do you believe his appointment of Hillary Clinton as SecState signals a radical departure of any sort?
Don’t forget, Hillary was one of the most bellicose advocates for regime change in Iraq (Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, anyone?) and Biden himself is very pro-Israel (to the extent that he’s been labeled “pro-Zionist” by some of the more strident elements of the Democratic Party).
I don’t see Obama doing away with rendition and, given the support he presently enjoys, he could do far more to dismantle the Patriot Act than he’s doing or has indicated a willingness to do.
Participantafx: Obama was given a golden opportunity to take a hard stand on FISA during the campaign and he whiffed.
He is continuing to hold the course that’s been in place for some time now (pre-dating Dubya) and do you believe his appointment of Hillary Clinton as SecState signals a radical departure of any sort?
Don’t forget, Hillary was one of the most bellicose advocates for regime change in Iraq (Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, anyone?) and Biden himself is very pro-Israel (to the extent that he’s been labeled “pro-Zionist” by some of the more strident elements of the Democratic Party).
I don’t see Obama doing away with rendition and, given the support he presently enjoys, he could do far more to dismantle the Patriot Act than he’s doing or has indicated a willingness to do.
Participantafx: Obama was given a golden opportunity to take a hard stand on FISA during the campaign and he whiffed.
He is continuing to hold the course that’s been in place for some time now (pre-dating Dubya) and do you believe his appointment of Hillary Clinton as SecState signals a radical departure of any sort?
Don’t forget, Hillary was one of the most bellicose advocates for regime change in Iraq (Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, anyone?) and Biden himself is very pro-Israel (to the extent that he’s been labeled “pro-Zionist” by some of the more strident elements of the Democratic Party).
I don’t see Obama doing away with rendition and, given the support he presently enjoys, he could do far more to dismantle the Patriot Act than he’s doing or has indicated a willingness to do.
ParticipantBreeze: Still getting your facts together? Let’s continue along with your “Obama is rebuking Bush’s policies” argument (although that word is a mite strong, giving that you haven’t provided any evidence to support it).
So here’s a couple of tidbits from my end that refute your assertion.
1) Keeping Robert Gates on as SecDef. According to no less a liberal luminary than Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor of The Nation, “Not a single member of Obama’s foreign policy and national defense team opposed the war”, adding “Gates is a terrible pick”,
2) Selection of Dennis Ross as Administration point man on Iran. Robert Naiman, analyst for Just Foreign Policy group (center-left politically) feels that this appointment “might just set the stage for war with Iraq”,
3) And, my personal favorite: Dick Cheney suggested a meeting with Obama to discuss Gitmo and “to sit down and find out precisely what it is we did and why we did it”, which Obama (and I quote) “thought was very good advice”.
In the immortal words of The Who: “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.
Can’t wait for your spin on this.
ParticipantBreeze: Still getting your facts together? Let’s continue along with your “Obama is rebuking Bush’s policies” argument (although that word is a mite strong, giving that you haven’t provided any evidence to support it).
So here’s a couple of tidbits from my end that refute your assertion.
1) Keeping Robert Gates on as SecDef. According to no less a liberal luminary than Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor of The Nation, “Not a single member of Obama’s foreign policy and national defense team opposed the war”, adding “Gates is a terrible pick”,
2) Selection of Dennis Ross as Administration point man on Iran. Robert Naiman, analyst for Just Foreign Policy group (center-left politically) feels that this appointment “might just set the stage for war with Iraq”,
3) And, my personal favorite: Dick Cheney suggested a meeting with Obama to discuss Gitmo and “to sit down and find out precisely what it is we did and why we did it”, which Obama (and I quote) “thought was very good advice”.
In the immortal words of The Who: “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.
Can’t wait for your spin on this.
ParticipantBreeze: Still getting your facts together? Let’s continue along with your “Obama is rebuking Bush’s policies” argument (although that word is a mite strong, giving that you haven’t provided any evidence to support it).
So here’s a couple of tidbits from my end that refute your assertion.
1) Keeping Robert Gates on as SecDef. According to no less a liberal luminary than Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor of The Nation, “Not a single member of Obama’s foreign policy and national defense team opposed the war”, adding “Gates is a terrible pick”,
2) Selection of Dennis Ross as Administration point man on Iran. Robert Naiman, analyst for Just Foreign Policy group (center-left politically) feels that this appointment “might just set the stage for war with Iraq”,
3) And, my personal favorite: Dick Cheney suggested a meeting with Obama to discuss Gitmo and “to sit down and find out precisely what it is we did and why we did it”, which Obama (and I quote) “thought was very good advice”.
In the immortal words of The Who: “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.
Can’t wait for your spin on this.
ParticipantBreeze: Still getting your facts together? Let’s continue along with your “Obama is rebuking Bush’s policies” argument (although that word is a mite strong, giving that you haven’t provided any evidence to support it).
So here’s a couple of tidbits from my end that refute your assertion.
1) Keeping Robert Gates on as SecDef. According to no less a liberal luminary than Katrina vanden Heuvel, editor of The Nation, “Not a single member of Obama’s foreign policy and national defense team opposed the war”, adding “Gates is a terrible pick”,
2) Selection of Dennis Ross as Administration point man on Iran. Robert Naiman, analyst for Just Foreign Policy group (center-left politically) feels that this appointment “might just set the stage for war with Iraq”,
3) And, my personal favorite: Dick Cheney suggested a meeting with Obama to discuss Gitmo and “to sit down and find out precisely what it is we did and why we did it”, which Obama (and I quote) “thought was very good advice”.
In the immortal words of The Who: “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.
Can’t wait for your spin on this.
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