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July 2, 2007 at 5:04 PM #9433July 2, 2007 at 5:31 PM #63431
NotCranky
ParticipantThe post and the link above is propaganda. Here is what I posted to comments section in that tabloid paper.
“Any chance he is being paid or has negotiated a plea for this little reformative act he is performing? I would bet my life that it is simplistic propaganda and all you people (previous 21 posters to propaganda machine)are happy to put the lid on any debate about western oppression and hijacking of the oil economies in the middle east has anything to do with it. Baloney”
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I wonder why they have 21 posts that celebrate this propaganda and none that calls it out for the BS that it is. Of course they use religious content to motivate these warriors.
Make sure you check back there for my post JG.
July 2, 2007 at 5:31 PM #63485ParticipantThe post and the link above is propaganda. Here is what I posted to comments section in that tabloid paper.
“Any chance he is being paid or has negotiated a plea for this little reformative act he is performing? I would bet my life that it is simplistic propaganda and all you people (previous 21 posters to propaganda machine)are happy to put the lid on any debate about western oppression and hijacking of the oil economies in the middle east has anything to do with it. Baloney”
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I wonder why they have 21 posts that celebrate this propaganda and none that calls it out for the BS that it is. Of course they use religious content to motivate these warriors.
Make sure you check back there for my post JG.
July 2, 2007 at 5:53 PM #63435(former)FormerSanDiegan
ParticipantRustico, so when we leave Iraq, do you think they will stop ?
Below is a list of Sunni terrorist groups and their stated goals. Most are aimed at creating an Islamist state in (insert country name here) and/or the destruction of Israel. I think that the statements by Mr. Butt are along the same lines.
Among the current identified countries that terrorists want to convert to Islamic States are: Phillippines, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, India, Algeria, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Israel, Yemen.
There are likely others. Once they control these countries, do you think there might be other terrorist groups that rise up to control some other regions ?
* (ASG): Separatist. Aims for the establishment of an Islamic state in the Southern Philippines.
* Al-Gama’at al-Islamiya (GI): The violent overthrow of the Egyptian Government and establishment of an Islamic state and the removal of Western influence from the Arab world.
* Al-Jihad: Aims for violent overthrow of the Egyptian government and the establishment of an Islamic state in Egypt, destruction of U.S. and Israeli interests.
* Al-Qaeda: Led by Osama bin Laden, its aims are the expulsion of Western forces from Saudi Arabia, overthrow of the House of Saud, and the destruction of Israel and governments that support Israeli foreign policy.
* Al-Qaeda in Iraq: Aims to create a Sunni Islamic state in Iraq.
* Ansar al-Islam(AI): Aims to create an Islamic state in Iraq; alleged link with Al-Qaeda.
* Armed Islamic Group (Groupe Islamique Armée) (GIA): The aim of the GIA is the violent overthrow of the Algerian government and the creation an Islamic state in Algeria.
* Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ): The aim of the EIJ is to
overthrow the Egyptian Government and replace it with an Islamic state, global Jihad against non-Muslims societies.* Front Pembela Islam (FPI): An anarchic terrorist group growing in some parts of Indonesia. They have a primary agenda to force the government to implement the Islamic laws within the country.
* Hamas: Islamic organization based in Gaza City with the aim of the destruction of Israel and the creation of an Islamic state in its place. Considered to be terrorist by Israel, the United States and the EU.
* Islamic Army of Aden (IAA): The IAA’s aim is to overthrow the Yemeni government and resist U.S. interests in the region.
* Islamic Jihad
* Jaish e Mohammed (JeM): JeM seeks separation of Kashmir from Indian control.
* Jeemah Islamiyah (JI): JI’s aim is the creation of a unified Islamic state in Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia and the Southern Philippines.
* Lashkar e Tayyaba (LeT): LeT seeks an independent Kashmir and reestablishment of Islamic rule over India.
* Jaish e Mohammed (JeM): JeM seeks separation of Kashmir from Indian control.
* Moro Islamic Liberation Front: Aims to create Islamic state in Mindanao, Philippines.
* Palestinian Army of Islam or Jaysh al Islam
* Salafist Group for Call and Combat (Groupe Salafiste pour la Predication et le Combat) (GSPC): Its aim is to create an Islamic state in Algeria.
July 2, 2007 at 5:53 PM #63489ParticipantRustico, so when we leave Iraq, do you think they will stop ?
Below is a list of Sunni terrorist groups and their stated goals. Most are aimed at creating an Islamist state in (insert country name here) and/or the destruction of Israel. I think that the statements by Mr. Butt are along the same lines.
Among the current identified countries that terrorists want to convert to Islamic States are: Phillippines, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, India, Algeria, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Israel, Yemen.
There are likely others. Once they control these countries, do you think there might be other terrorist groups that rise up to control some other regions ?
* (ASG): Separatist. Aims for the establishment of an Islamic state in the Southern Philippines.
* Al-Gama’at al-Islamiya (GI): The violent overthrow of the Egyptian Government and establishment of an Islamic state and the removal of Western influence from the Arab world.
* Al-Jihad: Aims for violent overthrow of the Egyptian government and the establishment of an Islamic state in Egypt, destruction of U.S. and Israeli interests.
* Al-Qaeda: Led by Osama bin Laden, its aims are the expulsion of Western forces from Saudi Arabia, overthrow of the House of Saud, and the destruction of Israel and governments that support Israeli foreign policy.
* Al-Qaeda in Iraq: Aims to create a Sunni Islamic state in Iraq.
* Ansar al-Islam(AI): Aims to create an Islamic state in Iraq; alleged link with Al-Qaeda.
* Armed Islamic Group (Groupe Islamique Armée) (GIA): The aim of the GIA is the violent overthrow of the Algerian government and the creation an Islamic state in Algeria.
* Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ): The aim of the EIJ is to
overthrow the Egyptian Government and replace it with an Islamic state, global Jihad against non-Muslims societies.* Front Pembela Islam (FPI): An anarchic terrorist group growing in some parts of Indonesia. They have a primary agenda to force the government to implement the Islamic laws within the country.
* Hamas: Islamic organization based in Gaza City with the aim of the destruction of Israel and the creation of an Islamic state in its place. Considered to be terrorist by Israel, the United States and the EU.
* Islamic Army of Aden (IAA): The IAA’s aim is to overthrow the Yemeni government and resist U.S. interests in the region.
* Islamic Jihad
* Jaish e Mohammed (JeM): JeM seeks separation of Kashmir from Indian control.
* Jeemah Islamiyah (JI): JI’s aim is the creation of a unified Islamic state in Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia and the Southern Philippines.
* Lashkar e Tayyaba (LeT): LeT seeks an independent Kashmir and reestablishment of Islamic rule over India.
* Jaish e Mohammed (JeM): JeM seeks separation of Kashmir from Indian control.
* Moro Islamic Liberation Front: Aims to create Islamic state in Mindanao, Philippines.
* Palestinian Army of Islam or Jaysh al Islam
* Salafist Group for Call and Combat (Groupe Salafiste pour la Predication et le Combat) (GSPC): Its aim is to create an Islamic state in Algeria.
July 2, 2007 at 6:00 PM #63437Participant“Rustico, so when we leave Iraq, do you think they will stop ?”
No. Why would they?
July 2, 2007 at 6:00 PM #63491Participant“Rustico, so when we leave Iraq, do you think they will stop ?”
No. Why would they?
July 2, 2007 at 6:20 PM #63439kewp
ParticipantOh GMAFB. Why don’t they give the guy a turban and have him holding one of those fizzing cartoon bombs while they are at it?
Read the 9/11 report. Read OSB’s own words. Read anything except this crappy propaganda.
I have no love for Islam (or any religion for that matter), but given our track record in the Middle East I can’t see how anyone would be surprised at their response.
July 2, 2007 at 6:20 PM #63493ParticipantOh GMAFB. Why don’t they give the guy a turban and have him holding one of those fizzing cartoon bombs while they are at it?
Read the 9/11 report. Read OSB’s own words. Read anything except this crappy propaganda.
I have no love for Islam (or any religion for that matter), but given our track record in the Middle East I can’t see how anyone would be surprised at their response.
July 2, 2007 at 6:52 PM #63441surveyor
Participantread the article
If you read the article, it actually asks and tells Muslims to renounce terror.
July 2, 2007 at 6:52 PM #63495Participantread the article
If you read the article, it actually asks and tells Muslims to renounce terror.
July 2, 2007 at 7:15 PM #63451ParticipantWhat is your point? Why wouldn’t a propaganda piece in a British tabloid magazine ask Muslims to renounce terror? Anyway the article wasn’t for Muslim consumption it was for Christian British tabloid reader consumption.It was a brainwashing piece or a hoax. I really wish it was the latter, but I doubt it.
July 2, 2007 at 7:15 PM #63504ParticipantWhat is your point? Why wouldn’t a propaganda piece in a British tabloid magazine ask Muslims to renounce terror? Anyway the article wasn’t for Muslim consumption it was for Christian British tabloid reader consumption.It was a brainwashing piece or a hoax. I really wish it was the latter, but I doubt it.
July 2, 2007 at 8:19 PM #63463Participantprops
I get the impression that it is not just a propaganda piece because it actually holds muslims accountable and tells them that they need to change their ways.
The usual and dishonest way is to blame the U.S., blame Israel, blame Iraq, blame the world because it is not Islamic enough. The writer gets to the heart of the matter and suggests that in order to evolve as a society, the ummah has to give up the self-victimization and also tells the Western society that they shouldn’t be pandering and accomodating the islamists.
Compared to all the other stuff I’ve read, this looked like an honest dialogue.
July 2, 2007 at 8:19 PM #63516Participantprops
I get the impression that it is not just a propaganda piece because it actually holds muslims accountable and tells them that they need to change their ways.
The usual and dishonest way is to blame the U.S., blame Israel, blame Iraq, blame the world because it is not Islamic enough. The writer gets to the heart of the matter and suggests that in order to evolve as a society, the ummah has to give up the self-victimization and also tells the Western society that they shouldn’t be pandering and accomodating the islamists.
Compared to all the other stuff I’ve read, this looked like an honest dialogue.
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