Why I am leaving San Diego

[protorio]

[quote=Ima Nass]My wife and I thought about moving to San Diego. Drove around some of the so-called villages, and La Jolla …and left. [/quote]

This is exactly the out-of-towner perspective that I was talking about. The old “locals only/tourists-go-home” attitude would be: fine!

Sit down and have a talk with anyone over 30 who grew up here and we’ll tell you the good and bad, just like any hometown. But there’s a reason a lot of us decide to stay – and with prices where they’re headed, more of us can and will.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

[quote=Ima Nass]My wife and I thought about moving to San Diego. Drove around some of the so-called villages, and La Jolla …and left. San Diego is just a smaller version of LA, but with more dangerous ramps onto freeways. The Gaslamp District, Italian district, and Old Town just don’t feel real. The atmosphere is more touristy than lived-in. IMHO the Bay area is the only place in California that has a good feel factor. When people don’t feel the need to convince themselves of the greatness, or otherwise of a place then the place is accepted just for what it is …good, or bad. When the reverse is happening it’s because there remains this nagging doubt. It as if soCal is in a tussle with itself over it’s identity.[/quote]

Youra Nass –

Love the username ! It says it all. To each his own.

BTW, you’ve obviously never used the freeway on ramps east of downtown LA towards Pasadena. They have stop signs at the end of the 30-foot long on-ramp and about 15 feet from stop sign to the end of the lane in which to merge. Nothing remotely as dangerous in San Diego.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

[quote=Ima Nass]My wife and I thought about moving to San Diego. Drove around some of the so-called villages, and La Jolla …and left. San Diego is just a smaller version of LA, but with more dangerous ramps onto freeways. The Gaslamp District, Italian district, and Old Town just don’t feel real. The atmosphere is more touristy than lived-in. IMHO the Bay area is the only place in California that has a good feel factor. When people don’t feel the need to convince themselves of the greatness, or otherwise of a place then the place is accepted just for what it is …good, or bad. When the reverse is happening it’s because there remains this nagging doubt. It as if soCal is in a tussle with itself over it’s identity.[/quote]

Youra Nass –

Love the username ! It says it all. To each his own.

BTW, you’ve obviously never used the freeway on ramps east of downtown LA towards Pasadena. They have stop signs at the end of the 30-foot long on-ramp and about 15 feet from stop sign to the end of the lane in which to merge. Nothing remotely as dangerous in San Diego.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

[quote=Ima Nass]My wife and I thought about moving to San Diego. Drove around some of the so-called villages, and La Jolla …and left. San Diego is just a smaller version of LA, but with more dangerous ramps onto freeways. The Gaslamp District, Italian district, and Old Town just don’t feel real. The atmosphere is more touristy than lived-in. IMHO the Bay area is the only place in California that has a good feel factor. When people don’t feel the need to convince themselves of the greatness, or otherwise of a place then the place is accepted just for what it is …good, or bad. When the reverse is happening it’s because there remains this nagging doubt. It as if soCal is in a tussle with itself over it’s identity.[/quote]

Youra Nass –

Love the username ! It says it all. To each his own.

BTW, you’ve obviously never used the freeway on ramps east of downtown LA towards Pasadena. They have stop signs at the end of the 30-foot long on-ramp and about 15 feet from stop sign to the end of the lane in which to merge. Nothing remotely as dangerous in San Diego.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

[quote=Ima Nass]My wife and I thought about moving to San Diego. Drove around some of the so-called villages, and La Jolla …and left. San Diego is just a smaller version of LA, but with more dangerous ramps onto freeways. The Gaslamp District, Italian district, and Old Town just don’t feel real. The atmosphere is more touristy than lived-in. IMHO the Bay area is the only place in California that has a good feel factor. When people don’t feel the need to convince themselves of the greatness, or otherwise of a place then the place is accepted just for what it is …good, or bad. When the reverse is happening it’s because there remains this nagging doubt. It as if soCal is in a tussle with itself over it’s identity.[/quote]

Youra Nass –

Love the username ! It says it all. To each his own.

BTW, you’ve obviously never used the freeway on ramps east of downtown LA towards Pasadena. They have stop signs at the end of the 30-foot long on-ramp and about 15 feet from stop sign to the end of the lane in which to merge. Nothing remotely as dangerous in San Diego.

[(former)FormerSanDiegan]

[quote=Ima Nass]My wife and I thought about moving to San Diego. Drove around some of the so-called villages, and La Jolla …and left. San Diego is just a smaller version of LA, but with more dangerous ramps onto freeways. The Gaslamp District, Italian district, and Old Town just don’t feel real. The atmosphere is more touristy than lived-in. IMHO the Bay area is the only place in California that has a good feel factor. When people don’t feel the need to convince themselves of the greatness, or otherwise of a place then the place is accepted just for what it is …good, or bad. When the reverse is happening it’s because there remains this nagging doubt. It as if soCal is in a tussle with itself over it’s identity.[/quote]

Youra Nass –

Love the username ! It says it all. To each his own.

BTW, you’ve obviously never used the freeway on ramps east of downtown LA towards Pasadena. They have stop signs at the end of the 30-foot long on-ramp and about 15 feet from stop sign to the end of the lane in which to merge. Nothing remotely as dangerous in San Diego.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=protorio] (in re: SD) . . . the excellent and rather cheap food, produce, and emergent farm-to-table food economy; the “small town feel” of the place . . . [/quote]

Yes, protorio, I think a lot of Piggs would be SURPRISED at the cost (and quality) of food available at the local AG market in the middle of America’s “heartland” and “beef belt.”

The food prices are particularly shocking in the many rural and semi-rural communities where one or two lone markets have the monopoly.

While visiting relatives, I once had to come up with a quick gallon of cranberry juice for punch and paid $8.69 for it. Where else could I go? The nearest “Sam’s Club” was more than 100 miles away (and even they’re not as cheap there as they are here w/all our “competition.”)

Their produce is often too green or too ripe (thus inedible upon purchase), too old (been sitting too long in the store), lettuce and celery rusted and the selection is 1/3 to 1/4 of what we see in Von’s and Ralph’s here. On top of that, it is more expensive. Need coffee?? You have Folger’s, Maxwell House and “Springfield” (the “house” brand) to choose from, all in cans.

Pack a good can opener (NOT carry-on … lol) . . . you’ll be using it a lot.

Bringing your fav coffee beans in your suitcase or trunk?? Better pack a grinder (NOT carry-on), too, cuz nobody there has one. Or better yet, grind them before you leave.

Want fresh avocados, persimmons, pomegranates, mangos, bok choy, plantains, tangelos, pineapples, etc or fresh fish (w/o whiskers … lol)?? DREAM ON!

I once paid $5.39 for a gallon of milk in a small town in WY I was staying in. When I got home with the milk, a blizzard came in and we were snowed in for over five days. We ended up having to use several bic lighters and a putty knife to pry the screen doors open the next day so we could make our way the garage to grab more firewood for our wood stove. For nearly two of those days, the power was out but we had a (noisy) generator (as everyone does in those parts).

The (eligible) elderly in these areas often depend on volunteer van-pools and/or buses to take them to the nearest military commissary (often 150 – 200 miles away) every six weeks or so to load up their pantries and chest freezers. The rest have their children take them to a Sam’s Club a few times a year.

Even in CA rural areas, such as Bishop, Independence or towns in the redwood country, the selection and quality of food is much better than this. All the stores around Lake Tahoe and Mammoth Lakes are VERY well-stocked (with many gourmet items) even if the roads in and out of the sierras are closed, as they are stocked from Reno and Las Vegas, NV respectively (LV is stocked nightly from Los Angeles).

Putting aside beaches, mountains, weather, etc, CA residents tend to take a LOT of “other stuff” for granted, as well. Life just ain’t as easy or convenient in a lot of those areas of the country where “cheap housing” prevails. You pay for what you get in this life.

And sometimes I feel like I’m living in a time-warp here, on the set of “Leave-it-to-Beaver” . . . Oklahoma by the Bay, if you will 🙂 🙂 That’s how dtn Chula Vista is . . . it has a “small town feel” (with big-city and resort amenities nearby). It’s truly the best of all worlds :=}

[bearishgurl]

[quote=protorio] (in re: SD) . . . the excellent and rather cheap food, produce, and emergent farm-to-table food economy; the “small town feel” of the place . . . [/quote]

Yes, protorio, I think a lot of Piggs would be SURPRISED at the cost (and quality) of food available at the local AG market in the middle of America’s “heartland” and “beef belt.”

The food prices are particularly shocking in the many rural and semi-rural communities where one or two lone markets have the monopoly.

While visiting relatives, I once had to come up with a quick gallon of cranberry juice for punch and paid $8.69 for it. Where else could I go? The nearest “Sam’s Club” was more than 100 miles away (and even they’re not as cheap there as they are here w/all our “competition.”)

Their produce is often too green or too ripe (thus inedible upon purchase), too old (been sitting too long in the store), lettuce and celery rusted and the selection is 1/3 to 1/4 of what we see in Von’s and Ralph’s here. On top of that, it is more expensive. Need coffee?? You have Folger’s, Maxwell House and “Springfield” (the “house” brand) to choose from, all in cans.

Pack a good can opener (NOT carry-on … lol) . . . you’ll be using it a lot.

Bringing your fav coffee beans in your suitcase or trunk?? Better pack a grinder (NOT carry-on), too, cuz nobody there has one. Or better yet, grind them before you leave.

Want fresh avocados, persimmons, pomegranates, mangos, bok choy, plantains, tangelos, pineapples, etc or fresh fish (w/o whiskers … lol)?? DREAM ON!

I once paid $5.39 for a gallon of milk in a small town in WY I was staying in. When I got home with the milk, a blizzard came in and we were snowed in for over five days. We ended up having to use several bic lighters and a putty knife to pry the screen doors open the next day so we could make our way the garage to grab more firewood for our wood stove. For nearly two of those days, the power was out but we had a (noisy) generator (as everyone does in those parts).

The (eligible) elderly in these areas often depend on volunteer van-pools and/or buses to take them to the nearest military commissary (often 150 – 200 miles away) every six weeks or so to load up their pantries and chest freezers. The rest have their children take them to a Sam’s Club a few times a year.

Even in CA rural areas, such as Bishop, Independence or towns in the redwood country, the selection and quality of food is much better than this. All the stores around Lake Tahoe and Mammoth Lakes are VERY well-stocked (with many gourmet items) even if the roads in and out of the sierras are closed, as they are stocked from Reno and Las Vegas, NV respectively (LV is stocked nightly from Los Angeles).

Putting aside beaches, mountains, weather, etc, CA residents tend to take a LOT of “other stuff” for granted, as well. Life just ain’t as easy or convenient in a lot of those areas of the country where “cheap housing” prevails. You pay for what you get in this life.

And sometimes I feel like I’m living in a time-warp here, on the set of “Leave-it-to-Beaver” . . . Oklahoma by the Bay, if you will 🙂 🙂 That’s how dtn Chula Vista is . . . it has a “small town feel” (with big-city and resort amenities nearby). It’s truly the best of all worlds :=}

[bearishgurl]

[quote=protorio] (in re: SD) . . . the excellent and rather cheap food, produce, and emergent farm-to-table food economy; the “small town feel” of the place . . . [/quote]

Yes, protorio, I think a lot of Piggs would be SURPRISED at the cost (and quality) of food available at the local AG market in the middle of America’s “heartland” and “beef belt.”

The food prices are particularly shocking in the many rural and semi-rural communities where one or two lone markets have the monopoly.

While visiting relatives, I once had to come up with a quick gallon of cranberry juice for punch and paid $8.69 for it. Where else could I go? The nearest “Sam’s Club” was more than 100 miles away (and even they’re not as cheap there as they are here w/all our “competition.”)

Their produce is often too green or too ripe (thus inedible upon purchase), too old (been sitting too long in the store), lettuce and celery rusted and the selection is 1/3 to 1/4 of what we see in Von’s and Ralph’s here. On top of that, it is more expensive. Need coffee?? You have Folger’s, Maxwell House and “Springfield” (the “house” brand) to choose from, all in cans.

Pack a good can opener (NOT carry-on … lol) . . . you’ll be using it a lot.

Bringing your fav coffee beans in your suitcase or trunk?? Better pack a grinder (NOT carry-on), too, cuz nobody there has one. Or better yet, grind them before you leave.

Want fresh avocados, persimmons, pomegranates, mangos, bok choy, plantains, tangelos, pineapples, etc or fresh fish (w/o whiskers … lol)?? DREAM ON!

I once paid $5.39 for a gallon of milk in a small town in WY I was staying in. When I got home with the milk, a blizzard came in and we were snowed in for over five days. We ended up having to use several bic lighters and a putty knife to pry the screen doors open the next day so we could make our way the garage to grab more firewood for our wood stove. For nearly two of those days, the power was out but we had a (noisy) generator (as everyone does in those parts).

The (eligible) elderly in these areas often depend on volunteer van-pools and/or buses to take them to the nearest military commissary (often 150 – 200 miles away) every six weeks or so to load up their pantries and chest freezers. The rest have their children take them to a Sam’s Club a few times a year.

Even in CA rural areas, such as Bishop, Independence or towns in the redwood country, the selection and quality of food is much better than this. All the stores around Lake Tahoe and Mammoth Lakes are VERY well-stocked (with many gourmet items) even if the roads in and out of the sierras are closed, as they are stocked from Reno and Las Vegas, NV respectively (LV is stocked nightly from Los Angeles).

Putting aside beaches, mountains, weather, etc, CA residents tend to take a LOT of “other stuff” for granted, as well. Life just ain’t as easy or convenient in a lot of those areas of the country where “cheap housing” prevails. You pay for what you get in this life.

And sometimes I feel like I’m living in a time-warp here, on the set of “Leave-it-to-Beaver” . . . Oklahoma by the Bay, if you will 🙂 🙂 That’s how dtn Chula Vista is . . . it has a “small town feel” (with big-city and resort amenities nearby). It’s truly the best of all worlds :=}

[bearishgurl]

[quote=protorio] (in re: SD) . . . the excellent and rather cheap food, produce, and emergent farm-to-table food economy; the “small town feel” of the place . . . [/quote]

Yes, protorio, I think a lot of Piggs would be SURPRISED at the cost (and quality) of food available at the local AG market in the middle of America’s “heartland” and “beef belt.”

The food prices are particularly shocking in the many rural and semi-rural communities where one or two lone markets have the monopoly.

While visiting relatives, I once had to come up with a quick gallon of cranberry juice for punch and paid $8.69 for it. Where else could I go? The nearest “Sam’s Club” was more than 100 miles away (and even they’re not as cheap there as they are here w/all our “competition.”)

Their produce is often too green or too ripe (thus inedible upon purchase), too old (been sitting too long in the store), lettuce and celery rusted and the selection is 1/3 to 1/4 of what we see in Von’s and Ralph’s here. On top of that, it is more expensive. Need coffee?? You have Folger’s, Maxwell House and “Springfield” (the “house” brand) to choose from, all in cans.

Pack a good can opener (NOT carry-on … lol) . . . you’ll be using it a lot.

Bringing your fav coffee beans in your suitcase or trunk?? Better pack a grinder (NOT carry-on), too, cuz nobody there has one. Or better yet, grind them before you leave.

Want fresh avocados, persimmons, pomegranates, mangos, bok choy, plantains, tangelos, pineapples, etc or fresh fish (w/o whiskers … lol)?? DREAM ON!

I once paid $5.39 for a gallon of milk in a small town in WY I was staying in. When I got home with the milk, a blizzard came in and we were snowed in for over five days. We ended up having to use several bic lighters and a putty knife to pry the screen doors open the next day so we could make our way the garage to grab more firewood for our wood stove. For nearly two of those days, the power was out but we had a (noisy) generator (as everyone does in those parts).

The (eligible) elderly in these areas often depend on volunteer van-pools and/or buses to take them to the nearest military commissary (often 150 – 200 miles away) every six weeks or so to load up their pantries and chest freezers. The rest have their children take them to a Sam’s Club a few times a year.

Even in CA rural areas, such as Bishop, Independence or towns in the redwood country, the selection and quality of food is much better than this. All the stores around Lake Tahoe and Mammoth Lakes are VERY well-stocked (with many gourmet items) even if the roads in and out of the sierras are closed, as they are stocked from Reno and Las Vegas, NV respectively (LV is stocked nightly from Los Angeles).

Putting aside beaches, mountains, weather, etc, CA residents tend to take a LOT of “other stuff” for granted, as well. Life just ain’t as easy or convenient in a lot of those areas of the country where “cheap housing” prevails. You pay for what you get in this life.

And sometimes I feel like I’m living in a time-warp here, on the set of “Leave-it-to-Beaver” . . . Oklahoma by the Bay, if you will 🙂 🙂 That’s how dtn Chula Vista is . . . it has a “small town feel” (with big-city and resort amenities nearby). It’s truly the best of all worlds :=}

[bearishgurl]

[quote=protorio] (in re: SD) . . . the excellent and rather cheap food, produce, and emergent farm-to-table food economy; the “small town feel” of the place . . . [/quote]

Yes, protorio, I think a lot of Piggs would be SURPRISED at the cost (and quality) of food available at the local AG market in the middle of America’s “heartland” and “beef belt.”

The food prices are particularly shocking in the many rural and semi-rural communities where one or two lone markets have the monopoly.

While visiting relatives, I once had to come up with a quick gallon of cranberry juice for punch and paid $8.69 for it. Where else could I go? The nearest “Sam’s Club” was more than 100 miles away (and even they’re not as cheap there as they are here w/all our “competition.”)

Their produce is often too green or too ripe (thus inedible upon purchase), too old (been sitting too long in the store), lettuce and celery rusted and the selection is 1/3 to 1/4 of what we see in Von’s and Ralph’s here. On top of that, it is more expensive. Need coffee?? You have Folger’s, Maxwell House and “Springfield” (the “house” brand) to choose from, all in cans.

Pack a good can opener (NOT carry-on … lol) . . . you’ll be using it a lot.

Bringing your fav coffee beans in your suitcase or trunk?? Better pack a grinder (NOT carry-on), too, cuz nobody there has one. Or better yet, grind them before you leave.

Want fresh avocados, persimmons, pomegranates, mangos, bok choy, plantains, tangelos, pineapples, etc or fresh fish (w/o whiskers … lol)?? DREAM ON!

I once paid $5.39 for a gallon of milk in a small town in WY I was staying in. When I got home with the milk, a blizzard came in and we were snowed in for over five days. We ended up having to use several bic lighters and a putty knife to pry the screen doors open the next day so we could make our way the garage to grab more firewood for our wood stove. For nearly two of those days, the power was out but we had a (noisy) generator (as everyone does in those parts).

The (eligible) elderly in these areas often depend on volunteer van-pools and/or buses to take them to the nearest military commissary (often 150 – 200 miles away) every six weeks or so to load up their pantries and chest freezers. The rest have their children take them to a Sam’s Club a few times a year.

Even in CA rural areas, such as Bishop, Independence or towns in the redwood country, the selection and quality of food is much better than this. All the stores around Lake Tahoe and Mammoth Lakes are VERY well-stocked (with many gourmet items) even if the roads in and out of the sierras are closed, as they are stocked from Reno and Las Vegas, NV respectively (LV is stocked nightly from Los Angeles).

Putting aside beaches, mountains, weather, etc, CA residents tend to take a LOT of “other stuff” for granted, as well. Life just ain’t as easy or convenient in a lot of those areas of the country where “cheap housing” prevails. You pay for what you get in this life.

And sometimes I feel like I’m living in a time-warp here, on the set of “Leave-it-to-Beaver” . . . Oklahoma by the Bay, if you will 🙂 🙂 That’s how dtn Chula Vista is . . . it has a “small town feel” (with big-city and resort amenities nearby). It’s truly the best of all worlds :=}

[joec]

[quote=jstoesz]*back to carpet bombing*

I love this city. It in most ways it is far superior to Minneapolis. I have visions of raising my kids competitively sailing in SD bay. Visions of teaching them to surf at pipes. I lived for two years on a boat off shelter Island which is one of the greatest experiences of my life. It is amazing! I would be hard pressed to find a more amazing city in the country. I love it here.

But the cost of living is prohibitive to a family oriented, single income earning, private school provided life style that I badly want to provide. Maybe I will strike it rich in my next company or the one after that.

I badly want to settle here. In many ways more than Minneapolis, but it is filled with fiscal retardation not found in most other places.[/quote]

Maybe this really just boils down to where you want to spend your money. As I mentioned in a few of my other posts, maybe you simply don’t want to pay to play, but that’s just you and plenty of other people seem to be willing to spend more for their housing here. It really is just what it is. Some people simply won’t ever want to pay to live here, so be it.

I tend to not agree with BG much at all, but I liked her post copying all your text. It sounds more like a rant against all California people being idiots and how they all suck. Maybe it has more to do with how society in general is now vs. CA or MN or any other place in the past I think. I agree people are not the same as 30 or 50 years ago, but that’s all over I feel.

With all the free time and goofing off at work, there’s just more time to rant and rave it seems. I think plenty of CA folks are pretty well and managing their finances just fine, esp on a site like this.

Lastly, there are plenty of places in SD where things are affordable and you can still DRIVE to the beach to do all those beach things you mentioned. Sure, it’s not the nicest place, but hell, you make compromises based on what you want and where you want to spend your money.

Another thing is you want to spend money on private schools for your kids. That’s a choice. I spent 7 years in private school, probably didn’t help me one bit compared to public back then. That said, we plan to send our kids to public school here, again our choice. Without the private school, I think someone (flu?) calculated it was in excess of 200k or even more.

A total waste of money IMO, but again, your choice and your money. The rants against all the people of CA certainly doesn’t make you seem half as wise as your earliest posts since it’s all coming off as bitterness now at this point at everything and everyone here.

A bit sad, but maybe moving up to sac town would allow you learn a few things before moving back down here that “maybe”, CA or SD isn’t so bad as you thought.

This is also why if folks just focus on a home being a place to live in, at least buy just 1 place and if housing goes up or down, your property will move with the market and you can sell it and upgrade (keep payments the same) or sell it for less and buy another place for less as well.

[joec]

[quote=jstoesz]*back to carpet bombing*

I love this city. It in most ways it is far superior to Minneapolis. I have visions of raising my kids competitively sailing in SD bay. Visions of teaching them to surf at pipes. I lived for two years on a boat off shelter Island which is one of the greatest experiences of my life. It is amazing! I would be hard pressed to find a more amazing city in the country. I love it here.

But the cost of living is prohibitive to a family oriented, single income earning, private school provided life style that I badly want to provide. Maybe I will strike it rich in my next company or the one after that.

I badly want to settle here. In many ways more than Minneapolis, but it is filled with fiscal retardation not found in most other places.[/quote]

Maybe this really just boils down to where you want to spend your money. As I mentioned in a few of my other posts, maybe you simply don’t want to pay to play, but that’s just you and plenty of other people seem to be willing to spend more for their housing here. It really is just what it is. Some people simply won’t ever want to pay to live here, so be it.

I tend to not agree with BG much at all, but I liked her post copying all your text. It sounds more like a rant against all California people being idiots and how they all suck. Maybe it has more to do with how society in general is now vs. CA or MN or any other place in the past I think. I agree people are not the same as 30 or 50 years ago, but that’s all over I feel.

With all the free time and goofing off at work, there’s just more time to rant and rave it seems. I think plenty of CA folks are pretty well and managing their finances just fine, esp on a site like this.

Lastly, there are plenty of places in SD where things are affordable and you can still DRIVE to the beach to do all those beach things you mentioned. Sure, it’s not the nicest place, but hell, you make compromises based on what you want and where you want to spend your money.

Another thing is you want to spend money on private schools for your kids. That’s a choice. I spent 7 years in private school, probably didn’t help me one bit compared to public back then. That said, we plan to send our kids to public school here, again our choice. Without the private school, I think someone (flu?) calculated it was in excess of 200k or even more.

A total waste of money IMO, but again, your choice and your money. The rants against all the people of CA certainly doesn’t make you seem half as wise as your earliest posts since it’s all coming off as bitterness now at this point at everything and everyone here.

A bit sad, but maybe moving up to sac town would allow you learn a few things before moving back down here that “maybe”, CA or SD isn’t so bad as you thought.

This is also why if folks just focus on a home being a place to live in, at least buy just 1 place and if housing goes up or down, your property will move with the market and you can sell it and upgrade (keep payments the same) or sell it for less and buy another place for less as well.

[joec]

[quote=jstoesz]*back to carpet bombing*

I love this city. It in most ways it is far superior to Minneapolis. I have visions of raising my kids competitively sailing in SD bay. Visions of teaching them to surf at pipes. I lived for two years on a boat off shelter Island which is one of the greatest experiences of my life. It is amazing! I would be hard pressed to find a more amazing city in the country. I love it here.

But the cost of living is prohibitive to a family oriented, single income earning, private school provided life style that I badly want to provide. Maybe I will strike it rich in my next company or the one after that.

I badly want to settle here. In many ways more than Minneapolis, but it is filled with fiscal retardation not found in most other places.[/quote]

Maybe this really just boils down to where you want to spend your money. As I mentioned in a few of my other posts, maybe you simply don’t want to pay to play, but that’s just you and plenty of other people seem to be willing to spend more for their housing here. It really is just what it is. Some people simply won’t ever want to pay to live here, so be it.

I tend to not agree with BG much at all, but I liked her post copying all your text. It sounds more like a rant against all California people being idiots and how they all suck. Maybe it has more to do with how society in general is now vs. CA or MN or any other place in the past I think. I agree people are not the same as 30 or 50 years ago, but that’s all over I feel.

With all the free time and goofing off at work, there’s just more time to rant and rave it seems. I think plenty of CA folks are pretty well and managing their finances just fine, esp on a site like this.

Lastly, there are plenty of places in SD where things are affordable and you can still DRIVE to the beach to do all those beach things you mentioned. Sure, it’s not the nicest place, but hell, you make compromises based on what you want and where you want to spend your money.

Another thing is you want to spend money on private schools for your kids. That’s a choice. I spent 7 years in private school, probably didn’t help me one bit compared to public back then. That said, we plan to send our kids to public school here, again our choice. Without the private school, I think someone (flu?) calculated it was in excess of 200k or even more.

A total waste of money IMO, but again, your choice and your money. The rants against all the people of CA certainly doesn’t make you seem half as wise as your earliest posts since it’s all coming off as bitterness now at this point at everything and everyone here.

A bit sad, but maybe moving up to sac town would allow you learn a few things before moving back down here that “maybe”, CA or SD isn’t so bad as you thought.

This is also why if folks just focus on a home being a place to live in, at least buy just 1 place and if housing goes up or down, your property will move with the market and you can sell it and upgrade (keep payments the same) or sell it for less and buy another place for less as well.

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[quote=jstoesz]*back to carpet bombing*

I love this city. It in most ways it is far superior to Minneapolis. I have visions of raising my kids competitively sailing in SD bay. Visions of teaching them to surf at pipes. I lived for two years on a boat off shelter Island which is one of the greatest experiences of my life. It is amazing! I would be hard pressed to find a more amazing city in the country. I love it here.

But the cost of living is prohibitive to a family oriented, single income earning, private school provided life style that I badly want to provide. Maybe I will strike it rich in my next company or the one after that.

I badly want to settle here. In many ways more than Minneapolis, but it is filled with fiscal retardation not found in most other places.[/quote]

Maybe this really just boils down to where you want to spend your money. As I mentioned in a few of my other posts, maybe you simply don’t want to pay to play, but that’s just you and plenty of other people seem to be willing to spend more for their housing here. It really is just what it is. Some people simply won’t ever want to pay to live here, so be it.

I tend to not agree with BG much at all, but I liked her post copying all your text. It sounds more like a rant against all California people being idiots and how they all suck. Maybe it has more to do with how society in general is now vs. CA or MN or any other place in the past I think. I agree people are not the same as 30 or 50 years ago, but that’s all over I feel.

With all the free time and goofing off at work, there’s just more time to rant and rave it seems. I think plenty of CA folks are pretty well and managing their finances just fine, esp on a site like this.

Lastly, there are plenty of places in SD where things are affordable and you can still DRIVE to the beach to do all those beach things you mentioned. Sure, it’s not the nicest place, but hell, you make compromises based on what you want and where you want to spend your money.

Another thing is you want to spend money on private schools for your kids. That’s a choice. I spent 7 years in private school, probably didn’t help me one bit compared to public back then. That said, we plan to send our kids to public school here, again our choice. Without the private school, I think someone (flu?) calculated it was in excess of 200k or even more.

A total waste of money IMO, but again, your choice and your money. The rants against all the people of CA certainly doesn’t make you seem half as wise as your earliest posts since it’s all coming off as bitterness now at this point at everything and everyone here.

A bit sad, but maybe moving up to sac town would allow you learn a few things before moving back down here that “maybe”, CA or SD isn’t so bad as you thought.

This is also why if folks just focus on a home being a place to live in, at least buy just 1 place and if housing goes up or down, your property will move with the market and you can sell it and upgrade (keep payments the same) or sell it for less and buy another place for less as well.

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