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November 5, 2008 at 4:43 PM #300143November 5, 2008 at 4:56 PM #299722barnaby33Participant
Are there simple answers that answer this question, or is the mere act of asking the question what raises the hackles?
Whats always perplexing to me (and my biases) is that each party appeals to certain constituencies, and yet never delivers to them.
For instance the Republicans tend to appeal to rural voters. I’d would surmise largely on social issues. Its never really been able to deliver on those issues, and it probably never will.
The Democrats tend to appeal to poor urban wealthy urban voters. Its has however really turned its back on them to become more centrist.
Each group still solidly votes for its party. I have a sneaking suspicion it has less to do with delivering on the goods than it does each groups deep seated mis-trust of the other.
Prior to WWII both parties were centrist, with liberal and conservative wings, anyone remember the Dixiecrats? It was the move towards legislation of social equality that really accelerated both parties moves away from the center.
What benefits did we as a nation get from each party moving away from the center? I think we can all pretty plainly see the costs. Political deadlock and a culture war that can never be, “won.”
Josh
November 5, 2008 at 4:56 PM #300081barnaby33ParticipantAre there simple answers that answer this question, or is the mere act of asking the question what raises the hackles?
Whats always perplexing to me (and my biases) is that each party appeals to certain constituencies, and yet never delivers to them.
For instance the Republicans tend to appeal to rural voters. I’d would surmise largely on social issues. Its never really been able to deliver on those issues, and it probably never will.
The Democrats tend to appeal to poor urban wealthy urban voters. Its has however really turned its back on them to become more centrist.
Each group still solidly votes for its party. I have a sneaking suspicion it has less to do with delivering on the goods than it does each groups deep seated mis-trust of the other.
Prior to WWII both parties were centrist, with liberal and conservative wings, anyone remember the Dixiecrats? It was the move towards legislation of social equality that really accelerated both parties moves away from the center.
What benefits did we as a nation get from each party moving away from the center? I think we can all pretty plainly see the costs. Political deadlock and a culture war that can never be, “won.”
Josh
November 5, 2008 at 4:56 PM #300089barnaby33ParticipantAre there simple answers that answer this question, or is the mere act of asking the question what raises the hackles?
Whats always perplexing to me (and my biases) is that each party appeals to certain constituencies, and yet never delivers to them.
For instance the Republicans tend to appeal to rural voters. I’d would surmise largely on social issues. Its never really been able to deliver on those issues, and it probably never will.
The Democrats tend to appeal to poor urban wealthy urban voters. Its has however really turned its back on them to become more centrist.
Each group still solidly votes for its party. I have a sneaking suspicion it has less to do with delivering on the goods than it does each groups deep seated mis-trust of the other.
Prior to WWII both parties were centrist, with liberal and conservative wings, anyone remember the Dixiecrats? It was the move towards legislation of social equality that really accelerated both parties moves away from the center.
What benefits did we as a nation get from each party moving away from the center? I think we can all pretty plainly see the costs. Political deadlock and a culture war that can never be, “won.”
Josh
November 5, 2008 at 4:56 PM #300105barnaby33ParticipantAre there simple answers that answer this question, or is the mere act of asking the question what raises the hackles?
Whats always perplexing to me (and my biases) is that each party appeals to certain constituencies, and yet never delivers to them.
For instance the Republicans tend to appeal to rural voters. I’d would surmise largely on social issues. Its never really been able to deliver on those issues, and it probably never will.
The Democrats tend to appeal to poor urban wealthy urban voters. Its has however really turned its back on them to become more centrist.
Each group still solidly votes for its party. I have a sneaking suspicion it has less to do with delivering on the goods than it does each groups deep seated mis-trust of the other.
Prior to WWII both parties were centrist, with liberal and conservative wings, anyone remember the Dixiecrats? It was the move towards legislation of social equality that really accelerated both parties moves away from the center.
What benefits did we as a nation get from each party moving away from the center? I think we can all pretty plainly see the costs. Political deadlock and a culture war that can never be, “won.”
Josh
November 5, 2008 at 4:56 PM #300153barnaby33ParticipantAre there simple answers that answer this question, or is the mere act of asking the question what raises the hackles?
Whats always perplexing to me (and my biases) is that each party appeals to certain constituencies, and yet never delivers to them.
For instance the Republicans tend to appeal to rural voters. I’d would surmise largely on social issues. Its never really been able to deliver on those issues, and it probably never will.
The Democrats tend to appeal to poor urban wealthy urban voters. Its has however really turned its back on them to become more centrist.
Each group still solidly votes for its party. I have a sneaking suspicion it has less to do with delivering on the goods than it does each groups deep seated mis-trust of the other.
Prior to WWII both parties were centrist, with liberal and conservative wings, anyone remember the Dixiecrats? It was the move towards legislation of social equality that really accelerated both parties moves away from the center.
What benefits did we as a nation get from each party moving away from the center? I think we can all pretty plainly see the costs. Political deadlock and a culture war that can never be, “won.”
Josh
November 5, 2008 at 4:57 PM #299727patientlywaitingParticipantThe electoral map speaks for itself.
Locate the medium to large cities and locate the rural areas on the map.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/results.htm
I would consider myself a Mickey Edwards type of Republican. I’m registered Republican but I contributed and voted for Obama.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96648705
Fresh Air from WHYY, November 5, 2008 · Former Republican Congressman Mickey Edwards argues that the conservative movement has strayed from its founding principles. His book, Reclaiming Conservatism, offers a critique of the movement’s current incarnation — and a blueprint for its future success.
November 5, 2008 at 4:57 PM #300086patientlywaitingParticipantThe electoral map speaks for itself.
Locate the medium to large cities and locate the rural areas on the map.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/results.htm
I would consider myself a Mickey Edwards type of Republican. I’m registered Republican but I contributed and voted for Obama.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96648705
Fresh Air from WHYY, November 5, 2008 · Former Republican Congressman Mickey Edwards argues that the conservative movement has strayed from its founding principles. His book, Reclaiming Conservatism, offers a critique of the movement’s current incarnation — and a blueprint for its future success.
November 5, 2008 at 4:57 PM #300094patientlywaitingParticipantThe electoral map speaks for itself.
Locate the medium to large cities and locate the rural areas on the map.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/results.htm
I would consider myself a Mickey Edwards type of Republican. I’m registered Republican but I contributed and voted for Obama.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96648705
Fresh Air from WHYY, November 5, 2008 · Former Republican Congressman Mickey Edwards argues that the conservative movement has strayed from its founding principles. His book, Reclaiming Conservatism, offers a critique of the movement’s current incarnation — and a blueprint for its future success.
November 5, 2008 at 4:57 PM #300110patientlywaitingParticipantThe electoral map speaks for itself.
Locate the medium to large cities and locate the rural areas on the map.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/results.htm
I would consider myself a Mickey Edwards type of Republican. I’m registered Republican but I contributed and voted for Obama.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96648705
Fresh Air from WHYY, November 5, 2008 · Former Republican Congressman Mickey Edwards argues that the conservative movement has strayed from its founding principles. His book, Reclaiming Conservatism, offers a critique of the movement’s current incarnation — and a blueprint for its future success.
November 5, 2008 at 4:57 PM #300158patientlywaitingParticipantThe electoral map speaks for itself.
Locate the medium to large cities and locate the rural areas on the map.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/results.htm
I would consider myself a Mickey Edwards type of Republican. I’m registered Republican but I contributed and voted for Obama.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96648705
Fresh Air from WHYY, November 5, 2008 · Former Republican Congressman Mickey Edwards argues that the conservative movement has strayed from its founding principles. His book, Reclaiming Conservatism, offers a critique of the movement’s current incarnation — and a blueprint for its future success.
November 5, 2008 at 8:35 PM #299892crParticipant[quote=esmith]I believe that the median Republican is significantly more brainwashed by the church than the median Democrat.[/quote]
I’d rather be brainwashed by a church than by the media.These “dumb” rural folk you all seem to loathe so arrogantly may simply be swayed more by values than the lies fed to the rest of the so-called “educated” nation by a liberal media. Maybe they don’t watch MTV.
The media sold this election to Obama because he wasn’t George Bush. Change for the sake of change is short-sighted, but we got it.
You can’t tax a nation into prosperity, “wealth distribution” will destroy what’s left of the middle class, bigger Government is not a solution, and now that ours is ruled by Democrats they have no excuse for getting nothing done.
If the last 2 years are any indication of that, Obama will be impeached in no time.
Don’t underestimate how fickle Americans are.
November 5, 2008 at 8:35 PM #300250crParticipant[quote=esmith]I believe that the median Republican is significantly more brainwashed by the church than the median Democrat.[/quote]
I’d rather be brainwashed by a church than by the media.These “dumb” rural folk you all seem to loathe so arrogantly may simply be swayed more by values than the lies fed to the rest of the so-called “educated” nation by a liberal media. Maybe they don’t watch MTV.
The media sold this election to Obama because he wasn’t George Bush. Change for the sake of change is short-sighted, but we got it.
You can’t tax a nation into prosperity, “wealth distribution” will destroy what’s left of the middle class, bigger Government is not a solution, and now that ours is ruled by Democrats they have no excuse for getting nothing done.
If the last 2 years are any indication of that, Obama will be impeached in no time.
Don’t underestimate how fickle Americans are.
November 5, 2008 at 8:35 PM #300261crParticipant[quote=esmith]I believe that the median Republican is significantly more brainwashed by the church than the median Democrat.[/quote]
I’d rather be brainwashed by a church than by the media.These “dumb” rural folk you all seem to loathe so arrogantly may simply be swayed more by values than the lies fed to the rest of the so-called “educated” nation by a liberal media. Maybe they don’t watch MTV.
The media sold this election to Obama because he wasn’t George Bush. Change for the sake of change is short-sighted, but we got it.
You can’t tax a nation into prosperity, “wealth distribution” will destroy what’s left of the middle class, bigger Government is not a solution, and now that ours is ruled by Democrats they have no excuse for getting nothing done.
If the last 2 years are any indication of that, Obama will be impeached in no time.
Don’t underestimate how fickle Americans are.
November 5, 2008 at 8:35 PM #300274crParticipant[quote=esmith]I believe that the median Republican is significantly more brainwashed by the church than the median Democrat.[/quote]
I’d rather be brainwashed by a church than by the media.These “dumb” rural folk you all seem to loathe so arrogantly may simply be swayed more by values than the lies fed to the rest of the so-called “educated” nation by a liberal media. Maybe they don’t watch MTV.
The media sold this election to Obama because he wasn’t George Bush. Change for the sake of change is short-sighted, but we got it.
You can’t tax a nation into prosperity, “wealth distribution” will destroy what’s left of the middle class, bigger Government is not a solution, and now that ours is ruled by Democrats they have no excuse for getting nothing done.
If the last 2 years are any indication of that, Obama will be impeached in no time.
Don’t underestimate how fickle Americans are.
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