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May 29, 2007 at 11:01 PM #9179May 30, 2007 at 5:08 AM #554774plexownerParticipant
this is part of one of the BIG games that Wall Street and the moneyed elite play on us suckers
by BIG I mean the timeframe is too long for most people to notice
right now they are making lots of money taking these companies private – they are using other people’s money and leverage to make these acquisitions so the profits are even sweeter
at some point in the future, the public will develop a demand for stocks – this public could be American or could be a rising middle-class in Asia
the new demand for stocks will be met by taking these same firms public again
Wall Street and the moneyed elite will make another bucket full of money in the IPOs
May 30, 2007 at 5:08 AM #554944plexownerParticipantthis is part of one of the BIG games that Wall Street and the moneyed elite play on us suckers
by BIG I mean the timeframe is too long for most people to notice
right now they are making lots of money taking these companies private – they are using other people’s money and leverage to make these acquisitions so the profits are even sweeter
at some point in the future, the public will develop a demand for stocks – this public could be American or could be a rising middle-class in Asia
the new demand for stocks will be met by taking these same firms public again
Wall Street and the moneyed elite will make another bucket full of money in the IPOs
May 30, 2007 at 6:14 AM #55481The-ShovelerParticipantNor_LA-Temcu-SD-Guy
I have a different take on this, In most cases I think the (pension funds and Banks) are going to be left holding the bag, as these buyouts rarely pay off. Most of the time the people who made the company successful in the first place leave for new start-ups.
The only LBO buyout that would make sense would be one where the company was bought at a discount and immediately divided up and sold for it’s parts (sum of the parts thing).
In short the only ones getting rich here are the deal enablers.
May 30, 2007 at 6:14 AM #55498The-ShovelerParticipantNor_LA-Temcu-SD-Guy
I have a different take on this, In most cases I think the (pension funds and Banks) are going to be left holding the bag, as these buyouts rarely pay off. Most of the time the people who made the company successful in the first place leave for new start-ups.
The only LBO buyout that would make sense would be one where the company was bought at a discount and immediately divided up and sold for it’s parts (sum of the parts thing).
In short the only ones getting rich here are the deal enablers.
May 30, 2007 at 8:29 AM #55495AnonymousGuestI fully agree with Nor_LA that the dumb pension fund managers and insurance companies that ‘invested’ in the private equity funds are going to be left holding the bag when, invariably, 9 of 10 of these buyouts fail.
Conclusion — if you are counting on a defined benefit pension payout, don’t. With your pension proceeds invested in corporate bonds, the stock market, venture capital, and private equity, such will quickly move down to 15-20% of peak value during the upcoming depression.
May 30, 2007 at 8:29 AM #55512AnonymousGuestI fully agree with Nor_LA that the dumb pension fund managers and insurance companies that ‘invested’ in the private equity funds are going to be left holding the bag when, invariably, 9 of 10 of these buyouts fail.
Conclusion — if you are counting on a defined benefit pension payout, don’t. With your pension proceeds invested in corporate bonds, the stock market, venture capital, and private equity, such will quickly move down to 15-20% of peak value during the upcoming depression.
May 30, 2007 at 8:33 AM #55514no_such_realityParticipantThe tax law is changing hence you’re seeing a rush to complete the private offerings before they become more expensive.
May 30, 2007 at 8:33 AM #55497no_such_realityParticipantThe tax law is changing hence you’re seeing a rush to complete the private offerings before they become more expensive.
May 30, 2007 at 8:35 AM #55499(former)FormerSanDieganParticipantHere’s their secret. They understand math, and they use a simple arbitrage.
They borrow money at 6%, combined with some cash, to purchase businesses that earn (or could be made to earn in their opinion) 10% or more
May 30, 2007 at 8:35 AM #55516(former)FormerSanDieganParticipantHere’s their secret. They understand math, and they use a simple arbitrage.
They borrow money at 6%, combined with some cash, to purchase businesses that earn (or could be made to earn in their opinion) 10% or more
May 30, 2007 at 8:56 AM #55507The-ShovelerParticipantNor_LA-Temcu-SD-Guy
Sometimes (most times) the Math changes 10% becomes 5% or worse.
May 30, 2007 at 8:56 AM #55524The-ShovelerParticipantNor_LA-Temcu-SD-Guy
Sometimes (most times) the Math changes 10% becomes 5% or worse.
May 30, 2007 at 8:59 AM #55511(former)FormerSanDieganParticipantYes, sometimes the math does change. Just pointing out their motivation.
Reminds me of buying real estate for 5% interest only when the property goes up by 20% per year. Not fun when the music stops.
May 30, 2007 at 8:59 AM #55528(former)FormerSanDieganParticipantYes, sometimes the math does change. Just pointing out their motivation.
Reminds me of buying real estate for 5% interest only when the property goes up by 20% per year. Not fun when the music stops.
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