What I like about Donald Trump

[scaredyclassic]

things are different now, i think people are a liability, not an asset. we dont need workers, we have enough, and humans are a net negative. maybe we dont really need more people.

i may be a one issue voter this next election. no h1b visas. fight for us citizen engineer rights. help my poor kid out…

i didnt watch the debates, i dont care about anything, not one issue, except this

[outtamojo]

[quote=scaredyclassic]things are different now, i think people are a liability, not an asset. we dont need workers, we have enough, and humans are a net negative. maybe we dont really need more people.

i may be a one issue voter this next election. no h1b visas. fight for us citizen engineer rights. help my poor kid out…

i didnt watch the debates, i dont care about anything, not one issue, except this[/quote]

yes, and go organize a labor union for engineers.

[FlyerInHi]

The BBC had a good piece on immigration. A lot of anxiety and jealousy.
People don’t like change.

The feeling of wellbeing is relative. Some people get pissed is their income grows at 2% but they see others growing at 5%.

I like change and new shiny buildings and shopping centers. More exciting. Need more people for that. If you want more money and to move up in life,’you’d better wish for growth.

If you want to grow the military and want our country to have strength and reach, you’d better wish for growth.

Temecula won’t become the next Irvine without more people.

[scaredyclassic]

I’m looking to not grow. Cultivate what we have.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=scaredyclassic]I’m looking to not grow. Cultivate what we have.[/quote]

I think the solution to immigration is pretty straight forward. Fix e-verify and then enforce employment law. When the corporate C-level starts taking 6 month vacations in club fed for turning a blind eye on their employment practices, both issues will get addressed. Enforce the law on Joe and Jane average running cash basis for maid, nanny, gardener too.

IMHO companies are leveraging the cr*p out of their U.S. Workforce to fill the gaps with their cheap off shore operations in the technology sector. They won’t whole sale move their operations because they will go out of business. I’ve seen real H1b needs but it literally 1 iin 20, if not less. The rest are run of mill workers with dozens of us people dropping out.

You need some super rare skill, no problem, the H1b comes with a 50% training tax paid to local jurisdiction UE office.

[spdrun]

I don’t think you should have to check the papers of everyone whom you do business with — I’d rather have some % of illegals in the US than have a creeping police state.

If I have a plumber recommended by a friend, should I really have to check his license info, SSN, green card, etc before I let him replace the john in my bathroom?

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]I’m looking to not grow. Cultivate what we have.[/quote]

yeah, that’s perfectly fine too. Lower ambitions, live sanely, kindly and quietly, don’t overeach.

But Temecula won’t become the next Irvine making you rich. Choose wisely but can’t have both.

Actually, you can have your piece of quiet. Just find a good place for yourself and never mind the rest of the world. Let it pass you by.

But if you want a high-power, high-prestige job, and desire the latest and greatest, then there will more competition.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=spdrun]I don’t think you should have to check the papers of everyone whom you do business with — I’d rather have some % of illegals in the US than have a creeping police state.

If I have a plumber recommended by a friend, should I really have to check his license info, SSN, green card, etc before I let him replace the john in my bathroom?[/quote]

Technically speaking, the government can insert itself and enforce tough licensing laws, etc… It’s doable if we wanted to do it.

As you said, we’d have a stronger state. Maybe not quite a police state.

For example, a huge portion the undocumented immigrants came through a border checkpoint, have an entry card, and declared a place of residence while in the US. If they don’t leave by the authorized date, the immigration service would hunt them down and arrest them. Not too hard to do with computer technology.

Desirable? Maybe not.

[Anonymous]

[quote=spdrun]I don’t think you should have to check the papers of everyone whom you do business with — I’d rather have some % of illegals in the US than have a creeping police state.

If I have a plumber recommended by a friend, should I really have to check his license info, SSN, green card, etc before I let him replace the john in my bathroom?[/quote]

No, but up until this past year, without green card this hypothetical plumber couldn’t have obtained a driver’s license so wouldn’t have been able to get to your house to fix the john (without risking getting his car impounded at least).

[spdrun]

FlyerInHI — right now, the US doesn’t track who leaves the country by land, other than a few sporadic and pilot programs. Places like East Germany and Czechoslovakia did. Fuck that idea. Hard.

I don’t like the idea of creating such an infrastructure, because it could be used to prevent people with undesirable politics, people accused of overblown charges, “suspected” terrorists (or whatever) from leaving the US under a future government. There should be border controls coming in, but anyone should be free to leave the US without much trouble.

Borders are artificial constructs designed to preserve economic inequality anyway — it would be better if they’d gradually fade away over a few decades. Let people live where they want to and in the places that have the best opportunities for their chosen life path.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=spdrun]FlyerInHI — right now, the US doesn’t track who leaves the country by land, other than a few sporadic and pilot programs. Places like East Germany and Czechoslovakia did. Fuck that idea. Hard.
[/quote]

Yes it is hard. The slums of Mumbai are easy. Rio too. And Caracas. Lets do easy.

[FlyerInHi]

I’m all with you spd from humanitarian standpoint.

But thinking about Trump’s argument, it’s logistically doable.

We can easily assume that people coming by plane would/should leave by plane. People would be required to have round trip tickets, etc…

We can cross-reference with immigration databases of interpol and other countries. Big data should make that easily doable.

We could also require visitors leaving by land to self report departures, etc…

I talked to my Canadian friend. Canadian have special status in USA. They can get driver licenses for 1 year, etc… But now canada shares data with the US. An entry into the US from Canada is reported back to Canada. And entries from US into Canada are reported to the US by Canada. Match the 2 databases and you know who overstays. Voila!

[no_such_reality]

From a humanitarian standpoint, we should have more legal immigration.

IMHO, we should have more of the give me your tired, your poor, the huddled masses, and less of the buy your way in with an “investment creating jobs” that are the same exploitive BS they made they’re money in their home country with.

All that said, what makes some person that came here via plane or boat and instead of going home said “f-you’ I’m staying more deserving to be allowed to stay than the people waiting desperately trying to do it on the up & up?

What makes the person who flat out sneaked in, violating the border laws with the intent of violating the laws and living here in violation of the laws, more deserving to be allowed to stay than those people waiting?

[livinincali]

The bottom line is you can only have open borders if you’re willing to dismantle the welfare system. You can choose to have open borders with mexico but you can’t give a dime in any sort of benefits to those mexicans citizens that want to come here. That’s the only workable solution unless you’re going to run the race to the bottom where you equalize everybody in the middle and the bottom. Unfortunately the equilibrium of such a scenario means a significant quality of life degradation for the vast majority of the middle class here in America.

Why are there millions of “Refugees” entering Europe and attempting to get to Germany rather than stopping at the first point of entry (aka Greece or Hungary). The obvious answer is there’s a lot more free shit to be had if you wind up in Germany with nothing.

[FlyerInHi]

Free shit? Unless immigrants are regularized they are getting very little free.

They come for the strong economy and the support network so that they can earn more in the free maket. That does create more competition for the natives; but may the best succeed.

Btw, blacks have been very anti immigrant. In the 20th century, Italians, poles, Irish, etc came and did very well, depressing wages of Blacks who became less needed. But the country overall is wealthier.

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