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January 17, 2008 at 11:34 AM #137565January 17, 2008 at 11:37 AM #137275RaybyrnesParticipant
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“Are there really that many variables that w-2s wage slaves can really play, beyond just the normal things one does: pretax deductions, maximizing capital gains treatment, home tax and mortgage deductions?”I am currently assiting a family who have a kid getting ready to go to school. Mom works a part time job and dad has a S corp. Household income is 80 k and they are complianing that there is no financial aid for them.
Problem here is that they uneducated and are not going to make an effort to learn. Mom is eligible to put up to 70% of her income into a 401K yet elected not too because the company doesn’t match in the first year of employment. Ask if they could live without the income and the answer is yes. So her making 20 means the she could have packed away 14K therefore reducing AGI
Husband owns a business. Does he have a SEP or SIMPLE. Of course not. So he could set that up and reduce his income. Not only does this reduce current tax liability but now by both of them contributing to their retirement accounts they now can get their income down to around 50K where all of a sudden they qualify for CAL grants for their daughters education and Subsidized stafford loans that are interest free while the kids are in school.
So I would say that even you everyday worker can do a lot for himself or herself. These people benefit becaseu they are frinds and I am knowledgeable on these area. But they could have been doing a lot of this for themselves.
What I don’t like hearing is when people say they are screwed becasue they are middle class, or becaeu they aree white or all the other excuses.
Why not admit I am screwed because I am uneducaated and I am too lazy to turn the TV off for an hour each evening to do a little self study. Spend 1 hour 4 nights a week studying somthind and at the end of a year you will know it pretty well.
January 17, 2008 at 11:37 AM #137477RaybyrnesParticipantfat_lazy_union
“Are there really that many variables that w-2s wage slaves can really play, beyond just the normal things one does: pretax deductions, maximizing capital gains treatment, home tax and mortgage deductions?”I am currently assiting a family who have a kid getting ready to go to school. Mom works a part time job and dad has a S corp. Household income is 80 k and they are complianing that there is no financial aid for them.
Problem here is that they uneducated and are not going to make an effort to learn. Mom is eligible to put up to 70% of her income into a 401K yet elected not too because the company doesn’t match in the first year of employment. Ask if they could live without the income and the answer is yes. So her making 20 means the she could have packed away 14K therefore reducing AGI
Husband owns a business. Does he have a SEP or SIMPLE. Of course not. So he could set that up and reduce his income. Not only does this reduce current tax liability but now by both of them contributing to their retirement accounts they now can get their income down to around 50K where all of a sudden they qualify for CAL grants for their daughters education and Subsidized stafford loans that are interest free while the kids are in school.
So I would say that even you everyday worker can do a lot for himself or herself. These people benefit becaseu they are frinds and I am knowledgeable on these area. But they could have been doing a lot of this for themselves.
What I don’t like hearing is when people say they are screwed becasue they are middle class, or becaeu they aree white or all the other excuses.
Why not admit I am screwed because I am uneducaated and I am too lazy to turn the TV off for an hour each evening to do a little self study. Spend 1 hour 4 nights a week studying somthind and at the end of a year you will know it pretty well.
January 17, 2008 at 11:37 AM #137507RaybyrnesParticipantfat_lazy_union
“Are there really that many variables that w-2s wage slaves can really play, beyond just the normal things one does: pretax deductions, maximizing capital gains treatment, home tax and mortgage deductions?”I am currently assiting a family who have a kid getting ready to go to school. Mom works a part time job and dad has a S corp. Household income is 80 k and they are complianing that there is no financial aid for them.
Problem here is that they uneducated and are not going to make an effort to learn. Mom is eligible to put up to 70% of her income into a 401K yet elected not too because the company doesn’t match in the first year of employment. Ask if they could live without the income and the answer is yes. So her making 20 means the she could have packed away 14K therefore reducing AGI
Husband owns a business. Does he have a SEP or SIMPLE. Of course not. So he could set that up and reduce his income. Not only does this reduce current tax liability but now by both of them contributing to their retirement accounts they now can get their income down to around 50K where all of a sudden they qualify for CAL grants for their daughters education and Subsidized stafford loans that are interest free while the kids are in school.
So I would say that even you everyday worker can do a lot for himself or herself. These people benefit becaseu they are frinds and I am knowledgeable on these area. But they could have been doing a lot of this for themselves.
What I don’t like hearing is when people say they are screwed becasue they are middle class, or becaeu they aree white or all the other excuses.
Why not admit I am screwed because I am uneducaated and I am too lazy to turn the TV off for an hour each evening to do a little self study. Spend 1 hour 4 nights a week studying somthind and at the end of a year you will know it pretty well.
January 17, 2008 at 11:37 AM #137534RaybyrnesParticipantfat_lazy_union
“Are there really that many variables that w-2s wage slaves can really play, beyond just the normal things one does: pretax deductions, maximizing capital gains treatment, home tax and mortgage deductions?”I am currently assiting a family who have a kid getting ready to go to school. Mom works a part time job and dad has a S corp. Household income is 80 k and they are complianing that there is no financial aid for them.
Problem here is that they uneducated and are not going to make an effort to learn. Mom is eligible to put up to 70% of her income into a 401K yet elected not too because the company doesn’t match in the first year of employment. Ask if they could live without the income and the answer is yes. So her making 20 means the she could have packed away 14K therefore reducing AGI
Husband owns a business. Does he have a SEP or SIMPLE. Of course not. So he could set that up and reduce his income. Not only does this reduce current tax liability but now by both of them contributing to their retirement accounts they now can get their income down to around 50K where all of a sudden they qualify for CAL grants for their daughters education and Subsidized stafford loans that are interest free while the kids are in school.
So I would say that even you everyday worker can do a lot for himself or herself. These people benefit becaseu they are frinds and I am knowledgeable on these area. But they could have been doing a lot of this for themselves.
What I don’t like hearing is when people say they are screwed becasue they are middle class, or becaeu they aree white or all the other excuses.
Why not admit I am screwed because I am uneducaated and I am too lazy to turn the TV off for an hour each evening to do a little self study. Spend 1 hour 4 nights a week studying somthind and at the end of a year you will know it pretty well.
January 17, 2008 at 11:37 AM #137575RaybyrnesParticipantfat_lazy_union
“Are there really that many variables that w-2s wage slaves can really play, beyond just the normal things one does: pretax deductions, maximizing capital gains treatment, home tax and mortgage deductions?”I am currently assiting a family who have a kid getting ready to go to school. Mom works a part time job and dad has a S corp. Household income is 80 k and they are complianing that there is no financial aid for them.
Problem here is that they uneducated and are not going to make an effort to learn. Mom is eligible to put up to 70% of her income into a 401K yet elected not too because the company doesn’t match in the first year of employment. Ask if they could live without the income and the answer is yes. So her making 20 means the she could have packed away 14K therefore reducing AGI
Husband owns a business. Does he have a SEP or SIMPLE. Of course not. So he could set that up and reduce his income. Not only does this reduce current tax liability but now by both of them contributing to their retirement accounts they now can get their income down to around 50K where all of a sudden they qualify for CAL grants for their daughters education and Subsidized stafford loans that are interest free while the kids are in school.
So I would say that even you everyday worker can do a lot for himself or herself. These people benefit becaseu they are frinds and I am knowledgeable on these area. But they could have been doing a lot of this for themselves.
What I don’t like hearing is when people say they are screwed becasue they are middle class, or becaeu they aree white or all the other excuses.
Why not admit I am screwed because I am uneducaated and I am too lazy to turn the TV off for an hour each evening to do a little self study. Spend 1 hour 4 nights a week studying somthind and at the end of a year you will know it pretty well.
January 17, 2008 at 11:49 AM #137279CoronitaParticipantRaybyrnes, Nos, and surveyor,
Thanks for the info. The reason why I asked is that I think I'm pretty much doing everything I can for us (wife and I) both being a w-2 wage slave. I was just double check with you guys if you had any other experience that you wouldn't mind sharing.
We're pretty much maxxed out on all the pre-tax deductions, and the itemized things include the standard mortage/property tax/donations stuff we normally do. We haven't setup a business to be able to take more deductions there, but this will change this year π
In 2006, i think our effective federal rate was about 12-13% (maybe I'm off a bit, don't remember exactly), though it could have been lower if we didn't get hit with AMT. We've been getting hit with AMT, even though we don't have any weird situation from ISO stock option sales. i hope somehow this year AMT isn't going to be an issue. I'm just wondering if there are additional things we can do to get into the 10% or lower fed range. But thanks for everyone's input.
I think this year, I need a new accountant as my taxes will probably get more complicated. If anyone got one they can recommend, I'd appreciate a lead.
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January 17, 2008 at 11:49 AM #137482CoronitaParticipantRaybyrnes, Nos, and surveyor,
Thanks for the info. The reason why I asked is that I think I'm pretty much doing everything I can for us (wife and I) both being a w-2 wage slave. I was just double check with you guys if you had any other experience that you wouldn't mind sharing.
We're pretty much maxxed out on all the pre-tax deductions, and the itemized things include the standard mortage/property tax/donations stuff we normally do. We haven't setup a business to be able to take more deductions there, but this will change this year π
In 2006, i think our effective federal rate was about 12-13% (maybe I'm off a bit, don't remember exactly), though it could have been lower if we didn't get hit with AMT. We've been getting hit with AMT, even though we don't have any weird situation from ISO stock option sales. i hope somehow this year AMT isn't going to be an issue. I'm just wondering if there are additional things we can do to get into the 10% or lower fed range. But thanks for everyone's input.
I think this year, I need a new accountant as my taxes will probably get more complicated. If anyone got one they can recommend, I'd appreciate a lead.
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
January 17, 2008 at 11:49 AM #137514CoronitaParticipantRaybyrnes, Nos, and surveyor,
Thanks for the info. The reason why I asked is that I think I'm pretty much doing everything I can for us (wife and I) both being a w-2 wage slave. I was just double check with you guys if you had any other experience that you wouldn't mind sharing.
We're pretty much maxxed out on all the pre-tax deductions, and the itemized things include the standard mortage/property tax/donations stuff we normally do. We haven't setup a business to be able to take more deductions there, but this will change this year π
In 2006, i think our effective federal rate was about 12-13% (maybe I'm off a bit, don't remember exactly), though it could have been lower if we didn't get hit with AMT. We've been getting hit with AMT, even though we don't have any weird situation from ISO stock option sales. i hope somehow this year AMT isn't going to be an issue. I'm just wondering if there are additional things we can do to get into the 10% or lower fed range. But thanks for everyone's input.
I think this year, I need a new accountant as my taxes will probably get more complicated. If anyone got one they can recommend, I'd appreciate a lead.
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
January 17, 2008 at 11:49 AM #137539CoronitaParticipantRaybyrnes, Nos, and surveyor,
Thanks for the info. The reason why I asked is that I think I'm pretty much doing everything I can for us (wife and I) both being a w-2 wage slave. I was just double check with you guys if you had any other experience that you wouldn't mind sharing.
We're pretty much maxxed out on all the pre-tax deductions, and the itemized things include the standard mortage/property tax/donations stuff we normally do. We haven't setup a business to be able to take more deductions there, but this will change this year π
In 2006, i think our effective federal rate was about 12-13% (maybe I'm off a bit, don't remember exactly), though it could have been lower if we didn't get hit with AMT. We've been getting hit with AMT, even though we don't have any weird situation from ISO stock option sales. i hope somehow this year AMT isn't going to be an issue. I'm just wondering if there are additional things we can do to get into the 10% or lower fed range. But thanks for everyone's input.
I think this year, I need a new accountant as my taxes will probably get more complicated. If anyone got one they can recommend, I'd appreciate a lead.
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
January 17, 2008 at 11:49 AM #137580CoronitaParticipantRaybyrnes, Nos, and surveyor,
Thanks for the info. The reason why I asked is that I think I'm pretty much doing everything I can for us (wife and I) both being a w-2 wage slave. I was just double check with you guys if you had any other experience that you wouldn't mind sharing.
We're pretty much maxxed out on all the pre-tax deductions, and the itemized things include the standard mortage/property tax/donations stuff we normally do. We haven't setup a business to be able to take more deductions there, but this will change this year π
In 2006, i think our effective federal rate was about 12-13% (maybe I'm off a bit, don't remember exactly), though it could have been lower if we didn't get hit with AMT. We've been getting hit with AMT, even though we don't have any weird situation from ISO stock option sales. i hope somehow this year AMT isn't going to be an issue. I'm just wondering if there are additional things we can do to get into the 10% or lower fed range. But thanks for everyone's input.
I think this year, I need a new accountant as my taxes will probably get more complicated. If anyone got one they can recommend, I'd appreciate a lead.
[img_assist|nid=5962|title=selfportrait|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=80]
—– Sour grapes for everyone!
January 17, 2008 at 12:27 PM #137298gold_dredger_phdParticipantWealthy, productive people can just leave the US and renounce their citizenship to escape taxation. The whole wealth tax is based on envy.
Some people are hard-working, extremely talented, lucky or all three. They are bound to be wealthy.
Merit and wealth are well correlated in this country. To be wealthy in some other countries you have to be in politics or just be the best thief.
I think it is disgusting that people are talking about this now and we don’t even have a depression yet. Just wait 20 years and there will be a civil war.
January 17, 2008 at 12:27 PM #137504gold_dredger_phdParticipantWealthy, productive people can just leave the US and renounce their citizenship to escape taxation. The whole wealth tax is based on envy.
Some people are hard-working, extremely talented, lucky or all three. They are bound to be wealthy.
Merit and wealth are well correlated in this country. To be wealthy in some other countries you have to be in politics or just be the best thief.
I think it is disgusting that people are talking about this now and we don’t even have a depression yet. Just wait 20 years and there will be a civil war.
January 17, 2008 at 12:27 PM #137533gold_dredger_phdParticipantWealthy, productive people can just leave the US and renounce their citizenship to escape taxation. The whole wealth tax is based on envy.
Some people are hard-working, extremely talented, lucky or all three. They are bound to be wealthy.
Merit and wealth are well correlated in this country. To be wealthy in some other countries you have to be in politics or just be the best thief.
I think it is disgusting that people are talking about this now and we don’t even have a depression yet. Just wait 20 years and there will be a civil war.
January 17, 2008 at 12:27 PM #137559gold_dredger_phdParticipantWealthy, productive people can just leave the US and renounce their citizenship to escape taxation. The whole wealth tax is based on envy.
Some people are hard-working, extremely talented, lucky or all three. They are bound to be wealthy.
Merit and wealth are well correlated in this country. To be wealthy in some other countries you have to be in politics or just be the best thief.
I think it is disgusting that people are talking about this now and we don’t even have a depression yet. Just wait 20 years and there will be a civil war.
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