Toyota in the news again

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte][quote=flu]…I just don’t think this particular incident adds/detracts to Toyota’s safety record.[/quote]

Probably not, but I still think Mr. Karma is alive and well somewhere.

Here is the ad that Toyota has been appearing on the front page of the UT:

Star Safety System. Now Standard on every Toyota.

No matter who you are or what you drive, everyone deserves to be safe. Which is why the Star Safety System is now standard on all our vehicles – no matter what model or trim level. I’t a combination of five advanced safety features that help keep you in control and out of harm’s way. Toyota is the first full-line manufacturer to make the features of the Star Safety System standard on all vehicles. Because at Toyota, we realize nothing is more important to you than your safety.

Visit toyota.com/safety[/quote]

Well, this is just marketing 101…If you have a credibility problem with something, just keep saying it over and over and over again until people start believing the opposite.

That said, Toyota just recalled the Lexus HS250h…for a potential fuel leak…The irony of this, in a hybrid supposedly designed to save fuel…..LOL….

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/25/breaking-lexus-recalls-hs250h-over-risk-of-excessive-fuel-leaka/

Toyota is quickly becoming the GM/Ford/Dodge of yesterday….

Well, I feel better now driving something german Since most everything is a POS in the reliability dept, might as get a German car…Now all I need is the euro to tank some more, and perhaps that R8 will be in range after all..Oh wait, our dollar is tanking too. Drat….

[svelte]

[quote=jimmyle]I wonder where we could find fatality record per 100 million miles driven for each vehicle. I remember seeing this type of data online a few years ago and now I couldn’t find it again. I think it would be a much fairer comparison on car safety instead of just personal opinions.[/quote]

I don’t think that would prove anything except that Toyota drivers are timid.

I curse every time I get behind a white Camry because I know that person is going to drive under the speed limit and be afraid of every movement of every vehicle around them. Other color Camrys and most Corolla drivers are almost as bad, but white Camrys are the absolute worst.

On the other hand, 10 yrs ago most 4×4 Toyota Tacoma drivers were the most aggressive on the road…that seems to have subsided. My theory is that they have all traded up to 4×4 Nissan Titans because they are the most aggressive thing on the road right now.

(another observation: most pickups with camper shells – no matter the brand – are driven by timid grandpas)

[svelte]

[quote=jimmyle]I wonder where we could find fatality record per 100 million miles driven for each vehicle. I remember seeing this type of data online a few years ago and now I couldn’t find it again. I think it would be a much fairer comparison on car safety instead of just personal opinions.[/quote]

I don’t think that would prove anything except that Toyota drivers are timid.

I curse every time I get behind a white Camry because I know that person is going to drive under the speed limit and be afraid of every movement of every vehicle around them. Other color Camrys and most Corolla drivers are almost as bad, but white Camrys are the absolute worst.

On the other hand, 10 yrs ago most 4×4 Toyota Tacoma drivers were the most aggressive on the road…that seems to have subsided. My theory is that they have all traded up to 4×4 Nissan Titans because they are the most aggressive thing on the road right now.

(another observation: most pickups with camper shells – no matter the brand – are driven by timid grandpas)

[svelte]

[quote=jimmyle]I wonder where we could find fatality record per 100 million miles driven for each vehicle. I remember seeing this type of data online a few years ago and now I couldn’t find it again. I think it would be a much fairer comparison on car safety instead of just personal opinions.[/quote]

I don’t think that would prove anything except that Toyota drivers are timid.

I curse every time I get behind a white Camry because I know that person is going to drive under the speed limit and be afraid of every movement of every vehicle around them. Other color Camrys and most Corolla drivers are almost as bad, but white Camrys are the absolute worst.

On the other hand, 10 yrs ago most 4×4 Toyota Tacoma drivers were the most aggressive on the road…that seems to have subsided. My theory is that they have all traded up to 4×4 Nissan Titans because they are the most aggressive thing on the road right now.

(another observation: most pickups with camper shells – no matter the brand – are driven by timid grandpas)

[svelte]

[quote=jimmyle]I wonder where we could find fatality record per 100 million miles driven for each vehicle. I remember seeing this type of data online a few years ago and now I couldn’t find it again. I think it would be a much fairer comparison on car safety instead of just personal opinions.[/quote]

I don’t think that would prove anything except that Toyota drivers are timid.

I curse every time I get behind a white Camry because I know that person is going to drive under the speed limit and be afraid of every movement of every vehicle around them. Other color Camrys and most Corolla drivers are almost as bad, but white Camrys are the absolute worst.

On the other hand, 10 yrs ago most 4×4 Toyota Tacoma drivers were the most aggressive on the road…that seems to have subsided. My theory is that they have all traded up to 4×4 Nissan Titans because they are the most aggressive thing on the road right now.

(another observation: most pickups with camper shells – no matter the brand – are driven by timid grandpas)

[svelte]

[quote=jimmyle]I wonder where we could find fatality record per 100 million miles driven for each vehicle. I remember seeing this type of data online a few years ago and now I couldn’t find it again. I think it would be a much fairer comparison on car safety instead of just personal opinions.[/quote]

I don’t think that would prove anything except that Toyota drivers are timid.

I curse every time I get behind a white Camry because I know that person is going to drive under the speed limit and be afraid of every movement of every vehicle around them. Other color Camrys and most Corolla drivers are almost as bad, but white Camrys are the absolute worst.

On the other hand, 10 yrs ago most 4×4 Toyota Tacoma drivers were the most aggressive on the road…that seems to have subsided. My theory is that they have all traded up to 4×4 Nissan Titans because they are the most aggressive thing on the road right now.

(another observation: most pickups with camper shells – no matter the brand – are driven by timid grandpas)

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte]

I don’t think that would prove anything except that Toyota drivers are timid.

I curse every time I get behind a white Camry because I know that person is going to drive under the speed limit and be afraid of every movement of every vehicle around them. Other color Camrys and most Corolla drivers are almost as bad, but white Camrys are the absolute worst.

On the other hand, 10 yrs ago most 4×4 Toyota Tacoma drivers were the most aggressive on the road…that seems to have subsided. My theory is that they have all traded up to 4×4 Nissan Titans because they are the most aggressive thing on the road right now.

(another observation: most pickups with camper shells – no matter the brand – are driven by timid grandpas)[/quote]

Well, it should be pretty obvious..

Bad suspension, bad road feel, bad cornering ability, bad turn radius, feels like a boat, and bad throttle response (when you want it to accelerate)…I wouldn’ want to drive fast in one of them either….Almost as bad as driving a …. Buick and I was about to say Caddy (except, i’m sure you’ll bring up the CTS-V).

But to wit, the respectable Toyota ever made with the Supra. My friend had one tuned to 474hp after throwing the HKS parts catalog at it…that was back in 1995.

But I think by far the worst drivers are some folks in Ford F-150’s…They think they own the road, tailgate you thinking they’re in a sports car or something, and some actually try to keep up with a sedan on the transition on ramp from 56E to 15N.

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte]

I don’t think that would prove anything except that Toyota drivers are timid.

I curse every time I get behind a white Camry because I know that person is going to drive under the speed limit and be afraid of every movement of every vehicle around them. Other color Camrys and most Corolla drivers are almost as bad, but white Camrys are the absolute worst.

On the other hand, 10 yrs ago most 4×4 Toyota Tacoma drivers were the most aggressive on the road…that seems to have subsided. My theory is that they have all traded up to 4×4 Nissan Titans because they are the most aggressive thing on the road right now.

(another observation: most pickups with camper shells – no matter the brand – are driven by timid grandpas)[/quote]

Well, it should be pretty obvious..

Bad suspension, bad road feel, bad cornering ability, bad turn radius, feels like a boat, and bad throttle response (when you want it to accelerate)…I wouldn’ want to drive fast in one of them either….Almost as bad as driving a …. Buick and I was about to say Caddy (except, i’m sure you’ll bring up the CTS-V).

But to wit, the respectable Toyota ever made with the Supra. My friend had one tuned to 474hp after throwing the HKS parts catalog at it…that was back in 1995.

But I think by far the worst drivers are some folks in Ford F-150’s…They think they own the road, tailgate you thinking they’re in a sports car or something, and some actually try to keep up with a sedan on the transition on ramp from 56E to 15N.

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte]

I don’t think that would prove anything except that Toyota drivers are timid.

I curse every time I get behind a white Camry because I know that person is going to drive under the speed limit and be afraid of every movement of every vehicle around them. Other color Camrys and most Corolla drivers are almost as bad, but white Camrys are the absolute worst.

On the other hand, 10 yrs ago most 4×4 Toyota Tacoma drivers were the most aggressive on the road…that seems to have subsided. My theory is that they have all traded up to 4×4 Nissan Titans because they are the most aggressive thing on the road right now.

(another observation: most pickups with camper shells – no matter the brand – are driven by timid grandpas)[/quote]

Well, it should be pretty obvious..

Bad suspension, bad road feel, bad cornering ability, bad turn radius, feels like a boat, and bad throttle response (when you want it to accelerate)…I wouldn’ want to drive fast in one of them either….Almost as bad as driving a …. Buick and I was about to say Caddy (except, i’m sure you’ll bring up the CTS-V).

But to wit, the respectable Toyota ever made with the Supra. My friend had one tuned to 474hp after throwing the HKS parts catalog at it…that was back in 1995.

But I think by far the worst drivers are some folks in Ford F-150’s…They think they own the road, tailgate you thinking they’re in a sports car or something, and some actually try to keep up with a sedan on the transition on ramp from 56E to 15N.

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte]

I don’t think that would prove anything except that Toyota drivers are timid.

I curse every time I get behind a white Camry because I know that person is going to drive under the speed limit and be afraid of every movement of every vehicle around them. Other color Camrys and most Corolla drivers are almost as bad, but white Camrys are the absolute worst.

On the other hand, 10 yrs ago most 4×4 Toyota Tacoma drivers were the most aggressive on the road…that seems to have subsided. My theory is that they have all traded up to 4×4 Nissan Titans because they are the most aggressive thing on the road right now.

(another observation: most pickups with camper shells – no matter the brand – are driven by timid grandpas)[/quote]

Well, it should be pretty obvious..

Bad suspension, bad road feel, bad cornering ability, bad turn radius, feels like a boat, and bad throttle response (when you want it to accelerate)…I wouldn’ want to drive fast in one of them either….Almost as bad as driving a …. Buick and I was about to say Caddy (except, i’m sure you’ll bring up the CTS-V).

But to wit, the respectable Toyota ever made with the Supra. My friend had one tuned to 474hp after throwing the HKS parts catalog at it…that was back in 1995.

But I think by far the worst drivers are some folks in Ford F-150’s…They think they own the road, tailgate you thinking they’re in a sports car or something, and some actually try to keep up with a sedan on the transition on ramp from 56E to 15N.

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte]

I don’t think that would prove anything except that Toyota drivers are timid.

I curse every time I get behind a white Camry because I know that person is going to drive under the speed limit and be afraid of every movement of every vehicle around them. Other color Camrys and most Corolla drivers are almost as bad, but white Camrys are the absolute worst.

On the other hand, 10 yrs ago most 4×4 Toyota Tacoma drivers were the most aggressive on the road…that seems to have subsided. My theory is that they have all traded up to 4×4 Nissan Titans because they are the most aggressive thing on the road right now.

(another observation: most pickups with camper shells – no matter the brand – are driven by timid grandpas)[/quote]

Well, it should be pretty obvious..

Bad suspension, bad road feel, bad cornering ability, bad turn radius, feels like a boat, and bad throttle response (when you want it to accelerate)…I wouldn’ want to drive fast in one of them either….Almost as bad as driving a …. Buick and I was about to say Caddy (except, i’m sure you’ll bring up the CTS-V).

But to wit, the respectable Toyota ever made with the Supra. My friend had one tuned to 474hp after throwing the HKS parts catalog at it…that was back in 1995.

But I think by far the worst drivers are some folks in Ford F-150’s…They think they own the road, tailgate you thinking they’re in a sports car or something, and some actually try to keep up with a sedan on the transition on ramp from 56E to 15N.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=svelte] I don’t think that would prove anything except that Toyota drivers are timid. [/quote]

I don’t know, svelte. I’ve bought four Toyotas in the last seven years. Hasn’t done a thing to calm me down. Camrys, minivans, even a Prius finally – doesn’t matter. They could all be ’68 Plymouth Road Runners as far as I’m concerned. I think I was inspired by the Beach Boys’ “Little Old Lady From Pasadena” as a kid.

[quote=svelte] I curse every time I get behind a white Camry because I know that person is going to drive under the speed limit and be afraid of every movement of every vehicle around them. Other color Camrys and most Corolla drivers are almost as bad, but white Camrys are the absolute worst.[/quote]

However, I do think there’s something to your white Camry theory. I’d go so far as to say any driver of a white sedan, at least here in the east. Really strange phenomenon.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=svelte] I don’t think that would prove anything except that Toyota drivers are timid. [/quote]

I don’t know, svelte. I’ve bought four Toyotas in the last seven years. Hasn’t done a thing to calm me down. Camrys, minivans, even a Prius finally – doesn’t matter. They could all be ’68 Plymouth Road Runners as far as I’m concerned. I think I was inspired by the Beach Boys’ “Little Old Lady From Pasadena” as a kid.

[quote=svelte] I curse every time I get behind a white Camry because I know that person is going to drive under the speed limit and be afraid of every movement of every vehicle around them. Other color Camrys and most Corolla drivers are almost as bad, but white Camrys are the absolute worst.[/quote]

However, I do think there’s something to your white Camry theory. I’d go so far as to say any driver of a white sedan, at least here in the east. Really strange phenomenon.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=svelte] I don’t think that would prove anything except that Toyota drivers are timid. [/quote]

I don’t know, svelte. I’ve bought four Toyotas in the last seven years. Hasn’t done a thing to calm me down. Camrys, minivans, even a Prius finally – doesn’t matter. They could all be ’68 Plymouth Road Runners as far as I’m concerned. I think I was inspired by the Beach Boys’ “Little Old Lady From Pasadena” as a kid.

[quote=svelte] I curse every time I get behind a white Camry because I know that person is going to drive under the speed limit and be afraid of every movement of every vehicle around them. Other color Camrys and most Corolla drivers are almost as bad, but white Camrys are the absolute worst.[/quote]

However, I do think there’s something to your white Camry theory. I’d go so far as to say any driver of a white sedan, at least here in the east. Really strange phenomenon.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=svelte] I don’t think that would prove anything except that Toyota drivers are timid. [/quote]

I don’t know, svelte. I’ve bought four Toyotas in the last seven years. Hasn’t done a thing to calm me down. Camrys, minivans, even a Prius finally – doesn’t matter. They could all be ’68 Plymouth Road Runners as far as I’m concerned. I think I was inspired by the Beach Boys’ “Little Old Lady From Pasadena” as a kid.

[quote=svelte] I curse every time I get behind a white Camry because I know that person is going to drive under the speed limit and be afraid of every movement of every vehicle around them. Other color Camrys and most Corolla drivers are almost as bad, but white Camrys are the absolute worst.[/quote]

However, I do think there’s something to your white Camry theory. I’d go so far as to say any driver of a white sedan, at least here in the east. Really strange phenomenon.

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