Toyota in the news again

[Coronita]

[quote=jpinpb]Granted, it was a prototype. I am no expert, but aren’t most sports cars lower? From what I’m understanding, all cars need to have a certain height requirement in the front thanks to a European pedestrian crash safety law – apparently too many people were dying b/c they were getting hit by cars and being thrown over the car (w/ a sharp, low front end that helps aerodynamics) – now, if you look at any sports car (MB CL, SL, or Maserati GranTurismo), the front of the car is very blunt and not pointed so that a person actually “bends” over the hood and doesn’t get thrown over.

I don’t think they drive on the opposite lanes in Germany.[/quote]

Well most of these exotics are lower to the ground. The LF-A frontal shape isn’t quote the same dropoff as the bimmer.

I question whether most exotics can handle massive accidents to begin with, considering most of the them probably are designed for speed and weight savings.

Same could probably be said for other exotics. for example, ie the San Diegans who died when their Carrera GT slammed into a wall.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/porsche-track-owners-sued-over-carrera-gt-crash.html

And considering this was on Nürburgring, i doubt either cars were travelling at 40…More closer to 100. The other two folks (younger) in the bimmer are still in critical condition too.

Side note: germans drive on the right side. From the looks of the skid marks, it seemed like at least one of the cars was in the middle of the road. Perhaps both of them were. Who knows.

Disclaimer: not a fanboy of toyotas, nor do I necessarily believe in their safety record, nor do I think buying a LF-A is a smart thing to do(actually you can only lease them anyway, and Toyota handpicks who they want to lease too)…I just don’t think this particular incident adds/detracts to Toyota’s safety record.

[svelte]

[quote=flu]…I just don’t think this particular incident adds/detracts to Toyota’s safety record.[/quote]

Probably not, but I still think Mr. Karma is alive and well somewhere.

Here is the ad that Toyota has been appearing on the front page of the UT:

Star Safety System. Now Standard on every Toyota.

No matter who you are or what you drive, everyone deserves to be safe. Which is why the Star Safety System is now standard on all our vehicles – no matter what model or trim level. I’t a combination of five advanced safety features that help keep you in control and out of harm’s way. Toyota is the first full-line manufacturer to make the features of the Star Safety System standard on all vehicles. Because at Toyota, we realize nothing is more important to you than your safety.

Visit toyota.com/safety

[svelte]

[quote=flu]…I just don’t think this particular incident adds/detracts to Toyota’s safety record.[/quote]

Probably not, but I still think Mr. Karma is alive and well somewhere.

Here is the ad that Toyota has been appearing on the front page of the UT:

Star Safety System. Now Standard on every Toyota.

No matter who you are or what you drive, everyone deserves to be safe. Which is why the Star Safety System is now standard on all our vehicles – no matter what model or trim level. I’t a combination of five advanced safety features that help keep you in control and out of harm’s way. Toyota is the first full-line manufacturer to make the features of the Star Safety System standard on all vehicles. Because at Toyota, we realize nothing is more important to you than your safety.

Visit toyota.com/safety

[svelte]

[quote=flu]…I just don’t think this particular incident adds/detracts to Toyota’s safety record.[/quote]

Probably not, but I still think Mr. Karma is alive and well somewhere.

Here is the ad that Toyota has been appearing on the front page of the UT:

Star Safety System. Now Standard on every Toyota.

No matter who you are or what you drive, everyone deserves to be safe. Which is why the Star Safety System is now standard on all our vehicles – no matter what model or trim level. I’t a combination of five advanced safety features that help keep you in control and out of harm’s way. Toyota is the first full-line manufacturer to make the features of the Star Safety System standard on all vehicles. Because at Toyota, we realize nothing is more important to you than your safety.

Visit toyota.com/safety

[svelte]

[quote=flu]…I just don’t think this particular incident adds/detracts to Toyota’s safety record.[/quote]

Probably not, but I still think Mr. Karma is alive and well somewhere.

Here is the ad that Toyota has been appearing on the front page of the UT:

Star Safety System. Now Standard on every Toyota.

No matter who you are or what you drive, everyone deserves to be safe. Which is why the Star Safety System is now standard on all our vehicles – no matter what model or trim level. I’t a combination of five advanced safety features that help keep you in control and out of harm’s way. Toyota is the first full-line manufacturer to make the features of the Star Safety System standard on all vehicles. Because at Toyota, we realize nothing is more important to you than your safety.

Visit toyota.com/safety

[svelte]

[quote=flu]…I just don’t think this particular incident adds/detracts to Toyota’s safety record.[/quote]

Probably not, but I still think Mr. Karma is alive and well somewhere.

Here is the ad that Toyota has been appearing on the front page of the UT:

Star Safety System. Now Standard on every Toyota.

No matter who you are or what you drive, everyone deserves to be safe. Which is why the Star Safety System is now standard on all our vehicles – no matter what model or trim level. I’t a combination of five advanced safety features that help keep you in control and out of harm’s way. Toyota is the first full-line manufacturer to make the features of the Star Safety System standard on all vehicles. Because at Toyota, we realize nothing is more important to you than your safety.

Visit toyota.com/safety

[jimmyle]

I wonder where we could find fatality record per 100 million miles driven for each vehicle. I remember seeing this type of data online a few years ago and now I couldn’t find it again. I think it would be a much fairer comparison on car safety instead of just personal opinions.

–Update–
I found a good report, check out page 9 which shows fatality risk to drivers and drivers of other vehicles per car model. Note the three Toyota cars shown (Camry, Avalon, and Corolla) have better safety record compare to other vehicles in similar class. On the other hand, 4Runner fatality risk is high. I think probably because of rollerover risk because it is a tall and relatively narrow vehicle.

http://eetd.lbl.gov/ea/teepa/pdf/TRB_Safety_1-03.pdf

[jimmyle]

I wonder where we could find fatality record per 100 million miles driven for each vehicle. I remember seeing this type of data online a few years ago and now I couldn’t find it again. I think it would be a much fairer comparison on car safety instead of just personal opinions.

–Update–
I found a good report, check out page 9 which shows fatality risk to drivers and drivers of other vehicles per car model. Note the three Toyota cars shown (Camry, Avalon, and Corolla) have better safety record compare to other vehicles in similar class. On the other hand, 4Runner fatality risk is high. I think probably because of rollerover risk because it is a tall and relatively narrow vehicle.

http://eetd.lbl.gov/ea/teepa/pdf/TRB_Safety_1-03.pdf

[jimmyle]

I wonder where we could find fatality record per 100 million miles driven for each vehicle. I remember seeing this type of data online a few years ago and now I couldn’t find it again. I think it would be a much fairer comparison on car safety instead of just personal opinions.

–Update–
I found a good report, check out page 9 which shows fatality risk to drivers and drivers of other vehicles per car model. Note the three Toyota cars shown (Camry, Avalon, and Corolla) have better safety record compare to other vehicles in similar class. On the other hand, 4Runner fatality risk is high. I think probably because of rollerover risk because it is a tall and relatively narrow vehicle.

http://eetd.lbl.gov/ea/teepa/pdf/TRB_Safety_1-03.pdf

[jimmyle]

I wonder where we could find fatality record per 100 million miles driven for each vehicle. I remember seeing this type of data online a few years ago and now I couldn’t find it again. I think it would be a much fairer comparison on car safety instead of just personal opinions.

–Update–
I found a good report, check out page 9 which shows fatality risk to drivers and drivers of other vehicles per car model. Note the three Toyota cars shown (Camry, Avalon, and Corolla) have better safety record compare to other vehicles in similar class. On the other hand, 4Runner fatality risk is high. I think probably because of rollerover risk because it is a tall and relatively narrow vehicle.

http://eetd.lbl.gov/ea/teepa/pdf/TRB_Safety_1-03.pdf

[jimmyle]

I wonder where we could find fatality record per 100 million miles driven for each vehicle. I remember seeing this type of data online a few years ago and now I couldn’t find it again. I think it would be a much fairer comparison on car safety instead of just personal opinions.

–Update–
I found a good report, check out page 9 which shows fatality risk to drivers and drivers of other vehicles per car model. Note the three Toyota cars shown (Camry, Avalon, and Corolla) have better safety record compare to other vehicles in similar class. On the other hand, 4Runner fatality risk is high. I think probably because of rollerover risk because it is a tall and relatively narrow vehicle.

http://eetd.lbl.gov/ea/teepa/pdf/TRB_Safety_1-03.pdf

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte][quote=flu]…I just don’t think this particular incident adds/detracts to Toyota’s safety record.[/quote]

Probably not, but I still think Mr. Karma is alive and well somewhere.

Here is the ad that Toyota has been appearing on the front page of the UT:

Star Safety System. Now Standard on every Toyota.

No matter who you are or what you drive, everyone deserves to be safe. Which is why the Star Safety System is now standard on all our vehicles – no matter what model or trim level. I’t a combination of five advanced safety features that help keep you in control and out of harm’s way. Toyota is the first full-line manufacturer to make the features of the Star Safety System standard on all vehicles. Because at Toyota, we realize nothing is more important to you than your safety.

Visit toyota.com/safety[/quote]

Well, this is just marketing 101…If you have a credibility problem with something, just keep saying it over and over and over again until people start believing the opposite.

That said, Toyota just recalled the Lexus HS250h…for a potential fuel leak…The irony of this, in a hybrid supposedly designed to save fuel…..LOL….

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/25/breaking-lexus-recalls-hs250h-over-risk-of-excessive-fuel-leaka/

Toyota is quickly becoming the GM/Ford/Dodge of yesterday….

Well, I feel better now driving something german Since most everything is a POS in the reliability dept, might as get a German car…Now all I need is the euro to tank some more, and perhaps that R8 will be in range after all..Oh wait, our dollar is tanking too. Drat….

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte][quote=flu]…I just don’t think this particular incident adds/detracts to Toyota’s safety record.[/quote]

Probably not, but I still think Mr. Karma is alive and well somewhere.

Here is the ad that Toyota has been appearing on the front page of the UT:

Star Safety System. Now Standard on every Toyota.

No matter who you are or what you drive, everyone deserves to be safe. Which is why the Star Safety System is now standard on all our vehicles – no matter what model or trim level. I’t a combination of five advanced safety features that help keep you in control and out of harm’s way. Toyota is the first full-line manufacturer to make the features of the Star Safety System standard on all vehicles. Because at Toyota, we realize nothing is more important to you than your safety.

Visit toyota.com/safety[/quote]

Well, this is just marketing 101…If you have a credibility problem with something, just keep saying it over and over and over again until people start believing the opposite.

That said, Toyota just recalled the Lexus HS250h…for a potential fuel leak…The irony of this, in a hybrid supposedly designed to save fuel…..LOL….

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/25/breaking-lexus-recalls-hs250h-over-risk-of-excessive-fuel-leaka/

Toyota is quickly becoming the GM/Ford/Dodge of yesterday….

Well, I feel better now driving something german Since most everything is a POS in the reliability dept, might as get a German car…Now all I need is the euro to tank some more, and perhaps that R8 will be in range after all..Oh wait, our dollar is tanking too. Drat….

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte][quote=flu]…I just don’t think this particular incident adds/detracts to Toyota’s safety record.[/quote]

Probably not, but I still think Mr. Karma is alive and well somewhere.

Here is the ad that Toyota has been appearing on the front page of the UT:

Star Safety System. Now Standard on every Toyota.

No matter who you are or what you drive, everyone deserves to be safe. Which is why the Star Safety System is now standard on all our vehicles – no matter what model or trim level. I’t a combination of five advanced safety features that help keep you in control and out of harm’s way. Toyota is the first full-line manufacturer to make the features of the Star Safety System standard on all vehicles. Because at Toyota, we realize nothing is more important to you than your safety.

Visit toyota.com/safety[/quote]

Well, this is just marketing 101…If you have a credibility problem with something, just keep saying it over and over and over again until people start believing the opposite.

That said, Toyota just recalled the Lexus HS250h…for a potential fuel leak…The irony of this, in a hybrid supposedly designed to save fuel…..LOL….

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/25/breaking-lexus-recalls-hs250h-over-risk-of-excessive-fuel-leaka/

Toyota is quickly becoming the GM/Ford/Dodge of yesterday….

Well, I feel better now driving something german Since most everything is a POS in the reliability dept, might as get a German car…Now all I need is the euro to tank some more, and perhaps that R8 will be in range after all..Oh wait, our dollar is tanking too. Drat….

[Coronita]

[quote=svelte][quote=flu]…I just don’t think this particular incident adds/detracts to Toyota’s safety record.[/quote]

Probably not, but I still think Mr. Karma is alive and well somewhere.

Here is the ad that Toyota has been appearing on the front page of the UT:

Star Safety System. Now Standard on every Toyota.

No matter who you are or what you drive, everyone deserves to be safe. Which is why the Star Safety System is now standard on all our vehicles – no matter what model or trim level. I’t a combination of five advanced safety features that help keep you in control and out of harm’s way. Toyota is the first full-line manufacturer to make the features of the Star Safety System standard on all vehicles. Because at Toyota, we realize nothing is more important to you than your safety.

Visit toyota.com/safety[/quote]

Well, this is just marketing 101…If you have a credibility problem with something, just keep saying it over and over and over again until people start believing the opposite.

That said, Toyota just recalled the Lexus HS250h…for a potential fuel leak…The irony of this, in a hybrid supposedly designed to save fuel…..LOL….

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/06/25/breaking-lexus-recalls-hs250h-over-risk-of-excessive-fuel-leaka/

Toyota is quickly becoming the GM/Ford/Dodge of yesterday….

Well, I feel better now driving something german Since most everything is a POS in the reliability dept, might as get a German car…Now all I need is the euro to tank some more, and perhaps that R8 will be in range after all..Oh wait, our dollar is tanking too. Drat….

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